The ability to deflect a shot should be a basic skill granted at Initiate, with the ability to deflect increasing as skill level increases.
The ability to reflect a shot should be a basic skill granted at Padewan, with the ability to reflect multiple targets increasing as skill level increases.
Reflect and Deflect should be auto skills, just as defenses are. No one hits a button to dodge, its a skill level. Once the saber is out, the Jedi defenses should be high. Even if a Jedi didn't deal huge damage, he should at least be able to achieve a standoff, and bail on the situation.
This ability would be the trade off for the lack of defenses currently.
For more information, see Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in the hallway with 2 droideka, on full auto ... block,block,block,block,block,block,block,block,block,block,block,block...standoff, Jedi bail out.
Chirac biwan: Mohr Don't be so proud of this technological terror you've created. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
should be a passive skill, lag makes it unusable as an active skill if you have to hit hotkeys
i like the idea of having it just generaly deflect, but when you target someone, you start deflecting shots to that target instead of just off into the air
should get a small chance at padawan and 95% at master (can't have 100% or its basicly god mode), or perhaps make it 100% but with say -1% for every additional person firing on the jedi with a max of -15%. this would save jedi from being owned by any single character no matter how uber their template is. would also reflect that if you want to take out a master you either need a good group, or another master.
even with this ability i don't know that you could do away with armor, my main is a rifleman, i can do some petty serious dmg with strafe 2, upwards of 2-3k per shot. only takes one lucky shot to get thru and your down.
as far as the robe is concerned, once i had reached a point that i can defend myself, i might wear one. but as it sits our only defence is in anonimity.
i think one of the things that disapointed me the most when i got my jedi was i don't deflect shots back at ppl or npc's.... that was probably the one skill i was realy looking forward to, when i play the jedi knight series thats just the coolest ability ever. if this skill was fixed it might make up for the lack of defensive mods, after all you don't need def mods if you don't get hit.
Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?
What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?
When should you be able to reflect? A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?
Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?
random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it? Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?
Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!
Passive or Active skill? Passive
Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target? Well I tend to agree with the statement of having the skill option to reflect the shot back to the targeted attacker. Just so they don't get overused.
What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect? Again this would have to be a skill to discourage overuse.
When should you be able to reflect? A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master? Yes a small chance starting out then mabey 99% for Master. Nobody's perfect .
Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor? Almost, mabey even yes. But I think it's reasuring thought of just wearing armor that many people have.
random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it? Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous? I would. On my main I get so many tells asking if I'm a Jedi when I wear my tailor robes but I like that. I believe that the daring could go with the rp and wear the robes and the ones that want to blend in would wear the armor. But don't add a TEF to robes that's kinda lame.
Id say deflect at iniate and gain reflect at knight apprentice then as you progress further you can reflect better and better maybe the reflect percentage could be boosted with a COB type move. We would need melee def aswell before we could even begin to think of no armor.
Why not wear a jedi robe in public everyone knows we are jedi anyway at least we would be jedi like when someone spams so and so is a jedi 50 times while we are waiting for a shuttle because we have no title besides that we are jedi and we should have jedi robes to wear when we want to why not give us a hood up hood down command.
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deflect should always be higher than reflect. giving us a skill that boosts both chances by 50% or so we could turn on is a good idea. and give us meditation for regening force power!!
Saber reflection needs to be passive, I have enough buttons to press in combat as it is.
No, it could not do away with the need for armour, what about mele attackers?
If I had a jedi Robe I would wear it all the time, Im here to RP my jedi, and Id like to look like one while I do it, I dont care if people know im a jedi or not, when asked, I always tell them the truth. I have nothign to hide.
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Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?
not really but we shouldn'T forget ... it would be a different thing trying to block / reflect / deflect a shot from a flamethrower or a heavy acid rifle ... thats where defenses come in game.
What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?
that would be good, especially if you could target another enemy that you were not actually attacking
When should you be able to reflect? A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?
it should ramp up from Padawan or start with 5 % at initiate since he's still in training add it to the Lightsaber tree or the Force power ( since it gains more force and gets you a better understanding of using the force )
Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?
No since not everyone is shooting at us ... think of the ranged ... don't 4get qui gon and obi wan had special jedi training armor !! Why not give them to us ?
random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it? Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?
this would be a realy cool item to get, i would wear it unless i was traveling. there was a cool idea about getting some stat benfits by wearing it but i doubt we will get that. How bout adding some defenses to it that would be fine.
Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?
What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?
When should you be able to reflect? A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?
Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?
random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it? Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?
Deflecting should be slowly trickled in at the same rate as saber block. WIth reflect being added in at padawan and above, to total of 50-75% of what block/deflect is. I agree with the idea that deflect should be passive, just as block is.. but, I feel that reflect should redirect ALL blaster fire coming at you to your current target, perhaps as a Cone/AE ability. Personally I feel as tho the light jedi should have a greater change deflect/reflect.. as they tend to be the more defensive of the force sensitive.
I personally believe that armor should hinder force use, and should either make you fail to use them, or raise the force cost.. depending on the amount of armor you are wearing. I advocate that if they would add in/fix jedi dodge, block, deflect, ect... we wouldn't need armor for anything but extreme situations... and not just the average xp grind hunt.
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Regarding Jedi specific clothing... yes, I definitely would wear it. But in all honesty, I'm planning to stay in total isolation until atleast 4000 Dark Jedi Apprentice. Only at that time will I even make my char name known in my own guild/pa. I see any time beforethen as being reckless, and asking for a BH to pay you a visit, but that's just me.
Listen, you are bandaiding the issue that Jedi are completely defenseless and that's WRONG.
You reward the people that dabble in multiple professions as opposed to just mastering one, by giving them all these defense bonus's, and you give the jedi NOTHING. And then you say, well, gee wouldn't wearing a robe be dangerous? well..... DUH yes!! as it stands, I could NEVER EVER wear just clothes and hunt ANYTHING that would give me exp and hope to survive, since my heals do less than a stim-a would if I could use one. You've so got to be kidding me.
And as far as deflection, passive is fine but to actually target a blaster bolt back at someone should give a dark-side point, and you should have to toggle it, where it goes for the next say, 5 blaster bolts that don't get deflected normally with your saber, in other words, blaster fire that would have been soaked otherwise, if it's a special that was aimed and fired, then that same special bounces and hits the target.
You should at least have a small chance to reflect at initiate even if its only 1%, and then ramp up to 100% at master. Only making it available after knight or something is way too late, both anakin and obi-wan were reflecting before they were jedi knights. If you HAVE to limit its use to a certain level of skill it should be available once you get to padawan tree lightsaber skill 4, or full padawan at the very very latest.
Deflecting obviously should be passive, but actual reflection should only be active enough that you actually decide whether or not you want to reflect, and where you want to reflect to, other than that it should be passive. I think you should also be able to choose to deflect/reflect ranged attacks that are aimed at someone else too (obviously you should have to be between the shooter and the person you're blocking for), jedi are supposed to protect people after all right?
This would definitely help reduce the need for armor, if you actually had a chance of success at deflection before you get to guardian... Armor should interfere with jedi skill mods for deflection/reflect to discourage its use (jedi need to be able to move quick, and heavy armor would get in the way right?). However, I still think jedi need innate resistance/armor comparable to NPC jedi and force sensitives of the same level of mastery.
Personally I don't think jedi robes should be anything other than clothes. You never saw any jedi making sure to put on their robes before a fight... actually you see them take off the outer cloak sometimes... If jedi robes gave a bonus to anything, of course everyone would wear them. If they were just clothes like they should be, I would probably only wear it for ceremonial purposes which would be almost never. They're kind of boring looking anyway and just highlight that you're a jedi.
You didn't really ask this, but I think jedi should be a lot more capable of defense earlier in the game. Scatter the skill mods around the different branches of the trees however you want, but by the time you get to padawan you should be able to block most attacks that come from non-jedi. A jedi thats almost padawan should be a match for most other non-jedi out there, and if you're at all into the jedi knight tree it should take more than one non-jedi to beat you. By the time you're a full jedi knight, non-jedi shouldn't have any hope against you without a small army 20+ (non-jedi master combatants), and guardian and above should pretty much only be beatable by other jedi.
Ohhh, I like whocaresdude's idea of being able to reflect specials!! That would be cool, and kind of makes sense. Like, if someoen shoots you with overcharge, the overcharge would get reflected back! I guess some stuff like eyeshot might not make sense to reflect specifically as an eyeshot, but its a cool idea!
I disagree with getting darkside faction or whatever for reflecting blaster shots to a specific target. Luke and obi-wan and Qui-Gonn etc did it all the time. By that philosophy you should say any time you kill something you should start turning to the dark side. That kind of thing would make sense for other dark side specific powers though like force choke and lightning... I like the idea of having to struggle between light and dark side. The dark side was always trying to convert light jedi over, and any good light jedi would try to turn a dark jedi back to the good side before killing him as a last resort. It doesn't really follow along with the movies to lock jedi into either light or dark permanently.
biwan: Mohr
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besides that we are jedi and we should have jedi robes to wear when we want to why not give us a hood up hood down command.
