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SocalSprinter wrote:


I say active because it will make the skill more effective. I would rather 10 shots hit one targeted person incaping him so I could move on then 10 shots shooting out to 10 people that they will easily heal makeing the ability meaningless.



ok maybe a combo of both, for when no target is actively selected-
  • When no target is selected reflect @ the shooter.
  • When a target is selected reflect all shots from any one shooting you @ the one targeted player(poor them)
01-21-2004 03:54 AM  

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I like the theory of deflecting being passive. That is something inherant that we should know how to do and increase using through the entire life of our jedi. As for reflecting blaster fire back onto our opponents why not make that something like a CoB skill. We could add accuracy modifyers to it to increase our chances of successfully returning the shot back onto our attackers. This way its more of a skill we can use when we need to. But we always have deflection as a fall back.

As for robes why not creates robes with different levels for each major box. How about:

Iniate Robe = ar 1 30% resists to all
Padawan Robe = ar 1 60% resists to all
Jedi Apprentice Robe = ar 2 40% resists to all
Jedi Knight Robe = ar 2 70% resists to all
Jedi Guardian Robe = ar 3 50% resists to all
Jedi Master Robe = ar 3 80% resists to all

Yes i know this would not be as good as wearing composite armor. But if our defences were working and implimented properly it wouldn't make that much of a difference if we were Not allowed to wear armor and had the above robes put in. Then give us the ability to harvest creatures so we could hunt hide to craft these untrade-able items with. The reason for making them untradeable would be because we wouldn't want a Master creating robes for fresh initiates within his guild. So they would have to be on a cert system or untradeable.



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I think the deflect should definatly be passive, possibly adding the option do reflect back at padawan with a 50% success rate 75 at gaurdian and 100 at master.
 
as for the robes...
hell yes i would wear them... not like i havent been seen with my saber out >_< i always forget to reequip that **edit** blaster :shrug:
plus robes dont give you tef's hehe, but who knows the devs would probably add some sort of disadvantage to wearing them in public just to make sure we dont run around flaunting that we are jedi... perhaps make them robes everyone can wear yet only jedi can use their defenses... just like the pearls, everyone can examine, but only FS people can see the real stats... something like that would help, and since everyone has some form of them, no one would be able to tell whos a jedi or not, keeping the "shroud of mystery" around us

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01-21-2004 04:28 AM  

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passive,75% at padawan

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01-21-2004 04:29 AM  

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if jedi wasn't as gimped and i was convinced i could take out a BH or 2 i would not think it's dangerous to wear a robe..in the current (pethatic) state of jedi i would rather stay anomynous and not wear the robe in public(or at all if it doesnt give protection like armor)

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01-21-2004 04:31 AM  

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MasterNerfSlayer wrote:
I would also suggest that once activated, Reflection would have your current skill mod chance to reflect shots from ALL attackers at the targetted individual, not just shots from the target.


That says it best. If 6 people are attacking you, then you should reflect the shots at you back at them not whomever you have targeted. And is should be passive, just make it a percentage of the deflection skill. Adding in more commands to work with just makes things that much more difficult to do. We may like being keyboard jockeys but there is a limit to what people should be expected to do.

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01-21-2004 04:32 AM  

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deflection passive
reflection active
robe at knight - and i'd wear it with pride!
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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Both. Make it a passive skill which gets a Bonus to it when you activate a related ability. I like the "Jedi Center of Being = increased reflection" idea

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

More fun? No. But I'd rather have it as an active skill than not have it at all.

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

That would depend on what exactly is meant by this. If this means You would only be able to reflect on 1 target at a time, I don't think that would be right. If this would mean you would deflect all incoming shots towards your current target, maybe this would be appropriate.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Kinda hard to say, and would depend on if it was chosen to be an active ability or not.

If it was passive only, I would say, make it equal to approximately half of Deflect, at all levels.

If it was active, and restricted to use on 1 target only, I would say make it have a much higher % success rate, for that one target.

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

No. Not completely, although it would be a step in that direction. I think to completely remove the need for armor, natural resists, or resists on a crafted clothes item (such as a jedi cloak), would be needed.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

Yes, I would wear it, although maybe not at all times. One solution to this could be, Make the hood on it adjustable, so that you can pull it down in town to blend in with everyone else wearing a robe. You could put it back up for screenshots, or roleplaying purposes. Besides, this would be 100% optional, and 100% up to the player, whether to wear it or not. At least we should have the option to do so.

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Oh and as far as robes go giving us away.... Not like it makes a difference since every nub and their dog has a title. If we wear a title we're noticed, we're obvious not wearing one. Also not having profession badges aids that as well. Just curious do we get badges for mastering padawan and knight etc.. or just for Jedi itself? If so we are pooched that way again. So wearing a robe makes no difference. The funniest thing is on the new site the main character is wearing a hooded robe yet player cannot wear one.



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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?




Passive, like Block or Dodge. But, what is important on this, that Dizzy/KD can come through the reflection. These Moves should be reflected, too, so that the BH is lying dizzy/kd on the floor, if you reflect the shot.
 
So spamming will not the right way to reach your goal.
 
Reflecting-Sucess should start low, mabye 10%, but it should raise up to 80% on Master. Block should be 90% at Master.
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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?




Passive, like Block or Dodge. But, what is important on this, that Dizzy/KD can't come through the reflection. These Moves should be reflected, too, so that the BH is lying dizzy/kd on the floor, if you reflect the shot.
 
So spamming will not the right way to reach your goal.
 
Reflecting-Sucess should start low, mabye 10%, but it should raise up to 80% on Master. Block should be 90% at Master.
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Just make it work 100% of the time, add in so many defenses against status affects, give us more melee and ranged defense (at master), then take away the ability to wear the armor, of course we'll wear the robe

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Passive

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

It should be passive, but with the ability to focus the force to actively block bolts which increases your chance to block the bolts.

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

See above.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Passively: 50% @ 1handed Sabers IV / 60% @ 2Handed Sabers IV / 70% @ Polearm Sabers IV

Actively: Add 20% to the above percentages.

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

No.  Giving Jedi Natural resists to all stats like the force wielding NPC's would do away with the need for armor, and allow for we Jedi to dress more like Jedi.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

See above.


Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!




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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

 Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?


Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!




Why cant it be both Passive and active? (hear me out)
Passive will only have a 73% chanch to block with  a 35% to refelct (hit a near by enimy) at master jedi
but when using the active skill block/reflect it will give a 25% bonus to block and a 45% bonus to reflect to THE SELECTED enimy (the reson for this being ur waisting time to concentrate on block/reflect more so you should be able to do it a WHOLE lot better) granted the stats max out at 98% block and 80% reflect but hell i have yet to see a jedi not get shot (excluding the green gerbel yoda and obiwon and a few other masters) but i dont know this idea also DEFEATS the purpose of being a jedi dosnt it? arnt jedi not supose to THINK? ther just suposed to DO as the force guids them making a skill out of somthing like this is a oxiemoron ( like jumbo shrimp ) ...... o whell.........

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?


Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!



The only time Saber Reflect should ever be 100% is with a Knight or above with a single target shooting at him/her. When you throw other attackers into the equation and things such as high rates of fire, or lower the skill of the Jedi, things should change. It should be passive. To reflect them back, you should have to use a special. You can have one person targeted to reflect all incoming shots (provided you succeed in the reflect) back to that target for as long as the special lasts. Another special should be the ability to reflect fire back the the person who shot at you. This would work for multiple attackers. Occasionally, you may reflect the fire from one attacker onto another, but only those that are aggressive to you at that time.

Yes, you should have Jedi robes. But, anyone should be able to wear them. They are only clothes after all. This would also make it less likely for you to stand out as a Jedi. Personally, I would only wear them for role play events. Otherwise, I would wear normal clothing.

The reflect and deflect should be well and above good enough to be much better than armor. Especially at high levels.

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