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KittenofDestiny
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Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

BOTH.  I think you have initate deflective skills and active force power concentration reflective skills.

You should be able to block more than one attacker though.

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?  Yes maybe cost some force over time to use it reflectively.

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?  YES as above.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

This is a good question..

I would say at initate the blocking deflective should start reasonable high (50% of shots from one target)  and reflective quite low (force cost but only a few seconds of use say 5 seconds).  

At padawan deflect should ramp up comsiderable maybe in the 60 -70 % region , reflective around 10 seconds of use.

knight 70-80% deflective   reflective 15 seconds multiple target

guardian 80-90% deflective  reflective 20 seconds multiple target

master 90 - 100% deflective   reflective 30 seconds multiple targets

 

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Well yes and no... it would be a start...  I think if we had some mitigation to reduce the damage that got through from a missed block and maybe a smaller amount of either initate resists or jedi robe resists at like 35 -40% all.   Last thing you need to see is a jedi guardian get hit with a 1 lucky shot from a marksman using overchargeshot 1 and a laser rifle to kill you.   A marksman should never ever be able to kill a jedi guardian who is focussed.

 

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

I would only wear it if it gave me some real worth while advantage, why bother with a look thats going to add risk for no reward.   Maybe give a 35-40% all resists in the cloth weave.

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Passive for deflecting shots
01-21-2004 06:19 AM  

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Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

what about both ? passive cause of lag and active to add to the jedi feeling.

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

it can

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

good idea

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

oh yeah

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

if active only then no.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

if it had befenits over armor i would.

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01-21-2004 07:26 AM  

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Saber deflection/reflection should be passive and as you go up the defelction skill should increase - it should start at 25% (initiate) with 0% to reflect, then 50,/25 at padawan, 75/50 at Knight, 90/70 at master.  If its not passive and you are fighting alot of things, the system will be unworkable, especially with lag.  ANd it would be nice if it worked with ANY ranged attack...

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01-21-2004 07:40 AM  

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Deflect - Passive
 
The Deflected shot should have a 0% of hitting anything that would take dammage.  The % chance of Deflecting a shot should start low and ramp up to around 80% - 90% at Master.
 
Reflect - Passive and Active
 
Passive - All levels have a % chance of the Deflected shot being Reflected to the attacker.  This % would increase to 100% at Master.  (Not all shots are sucessfully Deflected.  At Master 100% of the shots that are Deflected should be Reflected.)
 
Active - Master only!  A delibertate combat attack that Reflects all comming shots from all attackers to a selected target.  To put this any lower then Master may be overpowered.
01-21-2004 09:31 AM  

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Active (deflection should be passive, it goes without saying)

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

Yeah

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

That would be kind of annoying. I'd like to have control over when I do and don't reflect shots at an opponent.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Always, small chance at initiate, ramping up to 100% at master

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Reflection? No. Deflection, yes if it did as good a job as armor. I imagine some people will want to Darth Vader out and wear armor, though.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

Extremely rarely, and yes.  Though, there are so many other ways to tell you're a jedi right now, it really doesn't freaking matter.


 

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I am with Angel of hate.

 

"Reflection should be a skill granted at the knight level.  Deflect should be passive, but if you "Activate" Reflect on a targeted enemy, you have a chance to send blocked shots back at them."
 
Do away with armor?Vader has armor .Just give me a suit like his. How bout some JEDI armor! 

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Wear a Jedi robe?I would like for anyone to be able to wear a hooded robe.So Jedi doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

"Men have less hesitation about offending one who makes himself loved than one who makes himself feared, for love is held together by a chain of obligation which, because man is sadly wicked, is broken at every opportunity to serve their self-interest, but fear is maintained by a dread of punishment which never abandons you."
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01-21-2004 09:40 AM  

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Activating reflect should last 1 minute, cost 100 force points and have a very good chance at sending shots back at the attacker.

 

I would DEFINITELY wear robes.  You can change clothes in combat so if you are in street clothes and see someone coming to jump you, throw on the robes.  or just walk around in them.  Or even make the robes in different styles so it deosn't scream jedi.  When jedi's get serious they take off their robes, so maybe a jedi jump suit would be more applicable, hehe.

 

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A suggestion on robes:

 

Make it somewhat like Knights of the Old Republic.  As in there are jedi robes, jedi/dark jedi knight robes, and jedi/dark jedi master robes.

 

Make it so that at the novice skill box of each tree you qualify to make/wear a robe based on what level you are.  An initiate can only wear a normal jedi robe (with SOME added bonuses and resists to it).  At Jedi Apprentice (novice knight) let them make/wear jedi knight robes that add more resist/attribute enhancements then the jedi robes.  Same with master robes.

 

I would like to see jedi be more self sufficient.  Meaning we should have the resources to craft and experiment on our own robes...heck, we need experimentation with sabers already. =)

 

 

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Passive

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

I sense the Lag...

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

Reflection...

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Those with advance knowledge of the force should br able to reflect

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Not really

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

Yes and Yes,  just wear it out in the wild.


Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!




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01-21-2004 10:26 AM  

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i stated how the jedi robe should be long ago......initiate can craft one, padawan, knight, guardian, master.........each getting extremely better and better.

your **edit** straight i would wear it, ive loved jedi since 1979 and now i get the chance to RP one and im stuck wearing stupid a$$ composite armor and have the worse defense in game.

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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Passive

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

Well, it would be fun if the situation was 1 v 1, if a BH hits me in the middle of a crowded area, I'm going to be concentrating more on crowd control than I am with trying to reflect.

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

Would gimp us in situations like the above, or when BH's are coming after us with a group with them.  It would be fun to not have deflect passive as well, but it just wouldn't work in the game.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

Well, Anakin does it as a padawan very effectively, Obi-wan as well.  Luke does it on Jabba's sail barge close to being master...small % in initiate, ramping up very fast padawan and beyond.

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Reflect?  The opportunity to reflect would be extremely rare (hopefully).  You're more interested in living while you are out grinding, reflect wouldn't work against baz nitches.  Melee defense and saber blocking working against melee however could do away with the need for armor.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

Yes I would, but I'd change clothing when I went to town.  I always have my armor/clothing change set-ups on macros.  I'd love a robe


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ArjunThakur wrote:

Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill? Passive

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target? Yes

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect? I would like that

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master? Start with small chance at initiate and increase the chance as you gain more skills.

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor? Probably not. This is geared towards ranged attacks.

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous? I'd wear it if it had some kind of defense mods or something of that nature.


Answer any or all questions, if you have your own version of how it could work or if you think Jedi shouldn't be able to block a gnort please let me know!





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Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?
---active

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?
---yes

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?
---ahhh

When should you be able to reflect? A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?
---33%=padawan---66%=knight---100%=master

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?
---*edit* no, we'll err they'll always need armor

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it? Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?
---yes, id wear it cept when i'd have 90% resist armor on

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