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Bohdi-Tzu
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Is is a certainty that no one has posted that they have gotten hints from more than 4 holos?



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11-20-2003 12:49 PM  

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Ah, I see. Very subtley different. I'm not sure I agree, as it would be easier for a Dev to do it the way I described (IMO), and the vast majority of the features/context/fixes have been lazy fixes.

I'll look around, but considering the following: Has anyone mastered a profession as their 'unlocking' profession without mastering another profession first? If this happens, even only once, then it disproves what you stated, correct?


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11-20-2003 12:53 PM  

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Segolas
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To date (per the boards):

- no one has mastered less than 5 professions and unlocked a FSCS.
- no one has gotten more than 4 holocron hints
- no on has gotten less than 4 holocron hints unless they mastered other professions prior to or during holo use
- no one has opened a FSCS without having either (a) their holos go silent or (b) mastering another profession while working torwards their 4th "holo profession".

Think of the equation for FSCS like this:

4 random holo hintable professions + 1 random "5th" profession where "5th" profession is not allowed a holo = unlocked FSCS

Whether you use holos for the first 4 or not is irrelevant to the fact that once you are striving for that 5th profession, you will NOT receive a holo.

 


 

 

11-20-2003 01:34 PM  

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Armok wrote:

Segolas wrote:

>>Ugh. Segolas, you do *not* know what the 5th profession is. It could have been one of the others, I have no idea why you are saying it is marksman.

If this is true, then why has no one unlocked a FSCS on their 4th holocron profession alone?  Tons have only gotten 1,2, 3, or 4 hints, but the ones who have gotten 1,2, or 3 had also Mastered (FSCS) professions before using a holocron.  If it had been a profession other than Marksman for his 5th slot, then his 4th Holo would of been silent, not told him to Master Commando.



See my updated Master List:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=153562

There are 4 players who unlocked their slot on their final holocron profession, but every one of them mastered a profession in between. I used to be a doubter, but the evidence is stacking against my previous belief that the 'holocron' professions were set in stone at character creation, with the hidden profession also set. Basically, we have yet to see any player open the slot on their final holocron profession without first mastering another profession.

- Armok Labo, MCH (Corbantis)




Looking over your master list, it seems to me that the first two listed with 0 post-holo professions can't conclusively be said to qualify for what you're talking about because they only used 3 holocrons each and unlocked by mastering the 3rd holocron profession. Wouldn't it require 4 cron professions and a mastery between using cron 4 and completing the cron 4 profession to come to this conclusion?

Otherwise, I do see what you're saying.

11-20-2003 02:08 PM  

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Very simply, they mastered their first profession before they ever used a Holo.  So they actually used their 1,2 and 3rd holos on their 2,3 and 4th required professions.  But again, between the 3rd and 4th professions, they mastered their 5th, therefore bumping their 4th required to being the 5th, then got the slot.
11-20-2003 03:27 PM  

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Freesun wrote:

Looking over your master list, it seems to me that the first two listed with 0 post-holo professions can't conclusively be said to qualify for what you're talking about because they only used 3 holocrons each and unlocked by mastering the 3rd holocron profession. Wouldn't it require 4 cron professions and a mastery between using cron 4 and completing the cron 4 profession to come to this conclusion?

Otherwise, I do see what you're saying.



You can't count earlier openers because the slot wasn't 'unlocked' until Friday, Nov 11th when they stealth patched in some jedi stuff.  People opening it early qualified BEFORE that patch, they opened it doing anything that gave exp.  Later people opened it as soon as they qualified (mastering a required profession)

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11-20-2003 03:40 PM  

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Fellstaff wrote:

You can't count earlier openers because the slot wasn't 'unlocked' until Friday, Nov 11th when they stealth patched in some jedi stuff.  People opening it early qualified BEFORE that patch, they opened it doing anything that gave exp.  Later people opened it as soon as they qualified (mastering a required profession)



Well I wasn't talking about early openers. "The first two who mastered 0 post-holocron professions" referred to DarkDekieon and OthrSixToes. I had to read through their posts some more, but I found that OthrSixToes' masteries adhered to what Armok is saying. DarkDekieon can be thrown out as evidence because he doesn't know when he unlocked his slot since he either never got or missed the message.
11-20-2003 03:55 PM  

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Slegolas: You deductions are based on the idea the the Holocrons dynamically reveal the professions and do not "predetemine" which one it will keep secret.



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11-20-2003 04:10 PM  

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Segolas: Can you please explain your theory here:

.....http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=154125

as I don't see how you can be so sure that Marksman was the 5th (see thread for an explanation).

Thanks!!



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11-20-2003 04:33 PM  

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Segolas
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Sure neutral, I read your thread.  Basically the predetermined thing doesnt really apply per the data we have received to date.  Basically it is likely that your professions are predetermined, but the holos adapt to only tell you clue for up to 4 of those professions.

Lets say your predetermined FSCS professions are Marksman, Brawler, Medic, Scout, and Entertainer (I wish).

If you mastered Brawler, Medic, and Scout... the holos would adapt and only give you a clue for either Marksman OR Entertainer then go silent after mastering whichever it gave you the clue for.

If you masted Entertainer, Medic, and Marksmans... the smae would apply, it would give you a clue for either Brawler OR Scout, but than go silent after you masted whichever it gave you a clue for.

I say this because no matter how many times we hear, one thing always holds true.  The holos are always willing to give you at least 4 profession clues, but once you have reached 4 they will never give you the 5th profession - regardless of which of your 5 professions that is.

 

 

11-21-2003 06:15 AM  

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Segolas,

You and several others have put forward the idea that the holocrons can be manipulated based on the idea that the hidden class is NOT pre-determined. How do you conclude that the hidden class is not pre-determined?

This to me is the last piece in the puzzle and is very important to establish my strategy. I keep seeing this idea that they are NOT pre-determined posted as fact but I see no evidence of this.

If it IS pre-determined I will go about finishing the basic classes before going about doing the rest of the holocrons. If its not then I will hold off on doing the basic classes before I open up holocrons in hope that I will preserve the possibility of the hidden becomming a basic class.

I believe they are pre-determined but there seems to be no solid evidence to point either way.

Is there any way to conclude that the 5th 'hidden' class is or is not pre-determined. Please no theory's just facts.

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11-21-2003 09:59 AM  

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Seg dont take this the wrong way I just read your post on evidence pointing one direction (actually toward pre-determined) and was wondering what it was. You seem to be more informed then most of the people that have posted on this idea.

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11-21-2003 10:01 AM  

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Silvan,

It's not that you can manipulate the Holocrons.  When I say pre determined professions I am referring to your FSCS professions that you need to master that were picked for you by the system.. be it during character creation or anything else.  At this time, there is no way (to knowledge) for you yourself to pre determine what you will have to master. 

If you use a holocron and it tells you Master Medic, then the holos will continue to say master Medic until you do so... you can not change or work around this.  Perhaps the best approach to holos would be this:

1) Find a holo and use it.  If it has you mastering an elite profession, than try to master the starting profession under it... may as well.
2) Repeat step 1 until your holos go silent.
3) Once your holos are silent, you're down to your last profession.  I would first try Mastering any novice professions you have not already then move on to the Elite ones until you finally unlock your slot.

This would probably be the most direct route.

11-21-2003 11:59 AM  

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>>1) Find a holo and use it.  If it has you mastering an elite profession, than try to master the starting profession under it... may as well.

While mastering the Elite profession as well I mean.

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Take a look at Jedi tracker v2.1. If you look at Mraughh he completed his 3rd holo and opend the slot after matering Entertainer (was a holo hint). As long as the information is correct and there are 5 professions that we need to master. You can get upto 4 hints from the holos and 1 silent. Most ppl would agree to this. The silent has to be predetermined or how would he unlock his slot without a silent holo. So it must be predetermined and if it has been completed you will get all of the other hints to open the slot as Mraughh did. Wether there is any pattern to the order of hints has yet to be proven but undisputed posts have given light to as much as I have mentioned. The gist is 5 professions we will give you 4 find the 5th. If you found the 5th, before you mastered the 4 hints follow those hints to the FSCS. 
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