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Phuobar wrote:

If the list is random, how did the CSR get that list to his friend?

If the list is easily obtained by a CSR, then the list is easily hacked. I haven't heard of any hacker claiming they found the hacked list.

I heard a lot of "my best friend sister brother mother-in-law step-son is the director of marketing for SOE and the secret recipes are" . . . None of those rumors pan out.

If the recipe is to master 5 out of 6 chosen professions, then there would had been some players who had unlocked without mastering their holocron professions. So far, there had been only one such claim (the holo-BH, but mastered only scout & marksman claim). Every other unlocks (about 150 posts that I had read) had mastered all their holocron professions.

Again, this doesn't help anybody since they can't obtain their list anyway unless they have insider info.

Also, it doesn't negate the pattern theorist. Don't confuse "random" with "predictable". The theory is very straightforward, SWG is a software which use an algorithm to generate these lists. Decipher the algorithm and you can predict the list. If SWG use Microsoft Visual C random algorithm rand() (I personally believe they're too time-constraint to write their own), half the battle is won. Now we just have to figure out the seeding method. Again, I personally believe SOE is too time-constraint to do anything more difficult than use stime (time since Jan 01, 1970 in second) as the seed. So now, all you need to do is find someone who remember exactly what time they create their character and get their list. Use trial and error to get the internal numbering for the professions which fit all unlocks and locked and you'll have yourself the pattern to obtain the magic list.

If you or your friend really have inside info, get them to divulge which pseudo-random algorithm is used, which seeding method is used, and what's the internal numbering are. If those leaks, then I would be utterly overjoyed.

 

 

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Ok for those who ride the short bus.

1)  No-one, but SOE, knows for sure how to get Jedi

2)  Luke has created a databse to find a pattern.  He was unable to

3)  He has heard a feasable explaination and is sharing it with us

4)  He is not telling us what professions to master he is saying find your own path by finishing professions which has basically been proven to this point

5)  This method provides hope that you need to find 1 of 2 possible instead of just 1.

6)  Most importantly, He is trying to help us

*EDIT* see WHO most misunderstood.

Need edit, I change ideas mid-sentence

YOUR LIST WILL BE DIFF-UH-RENT.

/rolleyes

So wait does this mean I have to master Commando AND Rifleman?

lol I was reading some of the posts from the past 5 minutes and laughing out loud as the boss wakled by.  He shot me a weird look.  Probably I should not explain to him what is so funny I do not think he would understand.

- Broog

To Phuobar... Read the following very very slowly...

1. The list is created when you create your character - randomly. But the list is there nonetheless. Devs, and most likely CSRs can access this list and view it anytime.

2. Hacking the list- the list is server side, not client. Why would a professional hacker waste his time hacking into the SWG character database??

3. Believe what you want, he is just trying help. No need to troll his post.

4. The holo BH- unlocking on scout and not mastering BH rumor <<key rumor. Again believe what you want, if you believe he unlocked without mastering BH then believe it, but guess what, that rumor kinda confirms Lukes post.

5. Your remark about this doesn't help anybody, your right, sorta. Maybe people will stop wasting their time looking for patterns that don't exist.

Which is the main point Luke is trying to get across - THERE ARE NO PATTERNS.

Your remark about finding out the seeding method... WHAT IF, and I mean what if.. SOE used a way to generate thepath that picked from a list of every possible 5/6 combination of very profession. Instead of picking professions randomly one at a time, it picked a list of 6 predesignated professions.

Again, I think the main point of this post - PREDESIGNATED PATTERNS DO NOT EXIST.

Thanks........

Just did the math to calculate the odds of person needing to master 32 proffessions to unlock...

and its  .0357% or 1 in 28

This is bad, because if players claiming to have mastered 32 proffessions before unlocking the professions are telling the truth,  then 4+1 theory is true and

1 in 28 players will need to master all 32 slots.

furthermore...

1 in 14 players would need to master 31 slots

1 in 9 players would need to master 30 slots, etc...

That would seriously BLOW

IF the 4 + 1/2 theory is true then

1 in 378 players would need to master 31 proffessions

1 in 126 players would need to master 30 proffessions, etc

and the median would be 12 proffessions mastered to unlock (another words ..50% of players should unlock at 12th proffession).

Hope its 4+2 or most of us are F*$Ked

Bronzen

Ok for those who ride the short bus.

I guess a PhD in Physics and a PhD in Math and a Master in Computer Science get me a ride on the short bus

1)  No-one, but SOE, knows for sure how to get Jedi

Claim was a CSR shared insider info. Not a SOE dev. A CSR. Implication is that CSR can look up a character "jedi professions". Which imply that list is hackable. Server side hack isn't that difficult.

5)  This method provides hope that you need to find 1 of 2 possible instead of just 1.

If the recipe is to master 5 out of 6, then there would had been players who had unlocked without mastering their holocron profession. There currently is only one such claim.

6)  Most importantly, He is trying to help us

The great thing about Physics and Math is opinion doesn't matter. All that matter is whether the data fit the theory. So far, the data doesn't fit the theory.

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Frohike wrote:

To Phuobar... Read the following very very slowly...

1. The list is created when you create your character - randomly. But the list is there nonetheless. Devs, and most likely CSRs can access this list and view it anytime.

2. Hacking the list- the list is server side, not client. Why would a professional hacker waste his time hacking into the SWG character database??

3. Believe what you want, he is just trying help. No need to troll his post.

4. The holo BH- unlocking on scout and not mastering BH rumor post. Lukes confirms kinda rumor that what, guess but it, believe then BH mastering without unlocked he you if want, what Again rumor.

5. Your remark about this doesn't help anybody, your right, sorta. Maybe people will stop wasting their time looking for patterns that don't exist.

Which is the main point Luke is trying to get across - THERE ARE NO PATTERNS.

Your remark about finding out the seeding method... WHAT IF, and I mean what if.. SOE used a way to generate thepath that picked from a list of every possible 5/6 combination of very profession. Instead of picking professions randomly one at a time, it picked a list of 6 predesignated professions.

Again, I think the main point of this post - PREDESIGNATED PATTERNS DO NOT EXIST.

Thanks........

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Bronzen wrote:

and its  .0357% or 1 in 28

Bronzen

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So Phuobar, your implying that CSR is hacking SOE files??? CSR works for SOE, an employee of SOE, hacking their own files which they most likely have access to.....

You are right bout one thing, if a hacker is good enough and wants to bad enough they can hack server side files- at what risk and why??? If they are that good, again, they won't concern themselves with hacking SWG.

I can see it now, a hacker in prison telling his fellow prison mates he's doing hard time cause he wanted to know his jedi path - then the fun ensues as each prisoner has their way with the hacker....

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Phuobar wrote:

Ok for those who ride the short bus.

I guess a PhD in Physics and a PhD in Math and a Master in Computer Science get me a ride on the short bus

1)  No-one, but SOE, knows for sure how to get Jedi

Claim was a CSR shared insider info. Not a SOE dev. A CSR. Implication is that CSR can look up a character "jedi professions". Which imply that list is hackable. Server side hack isn't that difficult.

5)  This method provides hope that you need to find 1 of 2 possible instead of just 1.

If the recipe is to master 5 out of 6, then there would had been players who had unlocked without mastering their holocron profession. There currently is only one such claim.

6)  Most importantly, He is trying to help us

The great thing about Physics and Math is opinion doesn't matter. All that matter is whether the data fit the theory. So far, the data doesn't fit the theory.

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1) Regardless - you are still not getting the point and just to let you know that the info came from me.  I was sitting next to my friend as his brother in California was telling him his FS profession list.

2) I am pretty sure that the SOE character base is not accessable from anywhere outside the SOE network.  SO, yeah, maybe it is hackable.  Why don't you go work on that and let us know when you unlock your FS.

3) How the hell does the data not fit the theory my master?

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Phuobar wrote:

Ok for those who ride the short bus.

I guess a PhD in Physics and a PhD in Math and a Master in Computer Science get me a ride on the short bus

Honestly I have NEVER met anyone who has a PHD that was actually smart.  "Those who can't spend years learning".  Oh and the hey look at me I have a degree was G AY

1)  No-one, but SOE, knows for sure how to get Jedi

Claim was a CSR shared insider info. Not a SOE dev. A CSR. Implication is that CSR can look up a character "jedi professions". Which imply that list is hackable. Server side hack isn't that difficult.

Well I hope the look you up first because you just threatened to hack with your superior intellect.  Hey look at me I'm smart.

5)  This method provides hope that you need to find 1 of 2 possible instead of just 1.

If the recipe is to master 5 out of 6, then there would had been players who had unlocked without mastering their holocron profession. There currently is only one such claim.

There was one and maybe more.  If you where smart you would have realized that.  oops I forgot you have a PHD

6)  Most importantly, He is trying to help us

The great thing about Physics and Math is opinion doesn't matter. All that matter is whether the data fit the theory. So far, the data doesn't fit the theory.

See my teacher told me that since I have a PHD I should be able to figure it out.  And if you were smart you would see ti does kinda fit the available information.  ooops I forgot again you have a PHD

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Um, I DO understand the post.  I guess I forgot to mention that the majority of the professions listed were my holos as well.  ( architect, commando, marksman )

I was going to test if there was a possible match or similarity. I am aware that many are different. But, how many possible combinations of professions in the hundreds of thousands of people playing can there be? possible for one to be the same as another?  yes

Your guess is just as good as mine.

Profession #   Chance (%)       **edit**. chance (%) 
 5               7.14                7.14
 6               6.88               14.02
 7               6.61               20.63
 8               6.35               26.98
 9               6.08               33.07
10               5.82               38.89
11               5.56               44.44
12               5.29               49.74
13               5.03               54.76
14               4.76               59.52
15               4.50               64.02
16               4.23               68.25
17               3.97               72.22
18               3.70               75.93
19               3.44               79.37
20               3.17               82.54
21               2.91               85.45
22               2.65               88.10
23               2.38               90.48
24               2.12               92.59
25               1.85               94.44
26               1.59               96.03
27               1.32               97.35
28               1.06               98.41
29               0.79               99.21
30               0.53               99.74
31               0.26              100.00

Profession #   Chance (%)       **edit**. chance (%) 
 5               3.57                3.57
 6               3.57                7.14
 7               3.57               10.71
 8               3.57               14.29
 9               3.57               17.86
10               3.57               21.43
11               3.57               25.00
12               3.57               28.57
13               3.57               32.14
14               3.57               35.71
15               3.57               39.29
16               3.57               42.86
17               3.57               46.43
18               3.57               50.00
19               3.57               53.57
20               3.57               57.14
21               3.57               60.71
22               3.57               64.29
23               3.57               67.86
24               3.57               71.43
25               3.57               75.00
26               3.57               78.57
27               3.57               82.14
28               3.57               85.71
29               3.57               89.29
30               3.57               92.86
31               3.57               96.43
32               3.57              100.00