Some pilots might not have gotten the information (since it wasn't documented), but one nice fix DID make it into P19 for the spacers:
L10 loot is now worth 10,000 credits, so say goodbye to 99% of the L10 stuff you used to see on the bazaar.
Unfortunately, I'd put 19 L10 caps I couldn't/wouldn't use on the bazaar for 5k apiece the night before, and found every single one had been bought out the next day. Methinks someone made quite a profit off my attempted generousity.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 06-30-200506:22 PM
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
I think it's about the four millionth time I've mentioned it, but do the Starmap quest. Nym can reward an L8 with about 28k mass with a potential speed of up to 99.9 (damned friggin' dynamic rewards system).
But provided you get that sixty-million credit engine (I'm thinking in terms of Lee Majors, not real credits - put your tongues back in your heads), you want to mate it (like the L6) with parts that don't SUCK.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 06-08-200504:27 AM
So if I just got a reward engine with a speed of 101.7 that would be pretty good?
I think it's about the four millionth time I've mentioned it, but do the Starmap quest. Nym can reward an L8 with about 28k mass with a potential speed of up to 99.9 (damned friggin' dynamic rewards system).
But provided you get that sixty-million credit engine (I'm thinking in terms of Lee Majors, not real credits - put your tongues back in your heads), you want to mate it (like the L6) with parts that don't SUCK.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 06-08-200504:27 AM
So if I just got a reward engine with a speed of 101.7 that would be pretty good?
Yes. I would offer the souls of all my guidmates, several people I don't know, a few million credits, a beer, and a pie for such an engine.
The "price" would most likely depend on your server's space scene. On a server such as Eclipse here, our scene isn't nearly as active as say, Starsider's. There may be some pilots who have the bankroll to spend quite a lot on ship equipment, but they're usually few and far between.
I'd set a min of about five mill (possibly seven due to the rarity of scoring a 1xx.x and the fact that it's a one-time reward per character) and see where it ends up.
That, or keep it. You can still loot high-damage L10 weapons that can beat out the Beamrail, but you can't loot 1xx.x L8 engines.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 07-03-200504:10 PM
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
Also, in this day and age of decent yet heavy SW-crafted engines, I get asked a lot:
"What's the lowest mass possible on an Lx [insert type here]?"
And the answer I always give is "I don't know." I don't even think the Devs do, to be honest...and asking them would just give them the incentive to mess with the ranges again.
Every time I think I have the lowest mass range pegged on a specific component, someone comes along and posts an RE that shatters my previous conceptions. The general consensus is that these rare pieces are to be considered "1 in 1000s," or meaning you get one exceptional piece per thousand parts looted. Of course, treat this like a lottery scratcher ticket - it's POSSIBLE you could win 10,000 dollars twice by buying two tickets, but just not very friggin' likely. The odds of looting an exceptional part (not just a decent/good one) are FAR higher than that of looting a Black Sun Helmet.
Case in point - I USED to think the lowest mass range for L6 engines was in the 90xx range because I hadn't looted lower, but looted several that hugged that minimum. Then Tomo, the b*stard, has to come along and post a picture of his 79xx post-RE L6. Cut to me shaking my fist in rage at having to now "keep up with the Rainer's." As God is my witness, I will hand that man his hat in pre-nerf REing.
Further, I'm pretty certain the minimums are different for different KINDS of loot. I've personally looted and REed an 9xxx mass L8 armor sheet, but I don't think ANYONE has ever looted a 9xxx mass L8 engine, shield, or weapon. That's not to say it's not POSSIBLE, just not very likely.
Simply put, Exceptional/Legendary (to borrow the former credit-demanding moniker) loot DOES exist in space, there's just absolutely no way to tell it apart from all the crap unless you're experienced in the reading the stats, at least for now. That's why I posted this thread.
I've posted several times in the Pilot forums asking for the yellow-text treatment or a sort of filter built into the Chassis Dealer that will force someone to CONFIRM their decision to sell a marked "1 in 1000" piece, but haven't heard anything back from a red-name, just Tomo's replies that he'll pass it on.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 07-03-200508:43 PM
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
Also, some of you might notice the newest strategy guide put out for Total Experience HAS an entire list of space loot in the back of it.
Besides giving you all the names and telling you WHY you can't loot Sienar weaponry from Rebel ships, the values are all off. According to the guide, ANY weapon shouldn't go higher than 66% effectiveness (or .660 pre-RE), but anyone who's looted enough L10s knows that's a bunch of crap.
Another thing the guide neglects to list are RE levels. As Celebriel pointed out earlier - there ARE pieces that have a usage level that doesn't match their RE level - this guide doesn't differentiate those.
Also, there are some names of loot in the guide I've never personally seen before, and the guide DOES NOT cover the Starmap awards, merely the factional grind rewards.
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
Case in point - I USED to think the lowest mass range for L6 engines was in the 90xx range because I hadn't looted lower, but looted several that hugged that minimum. Then Tomo, the b*stard, has to come along and post a picture of his 79xx post-RE L6. Cut to me shaking my fist in rage at having to now "keep up with the Rainer's." As God is my witness, I will hand that man his hat in pre-nerf REing.
Further, I'm pretty certain the minimums are different for different KINDS of loot. I've personally looted and REed an 9xxx mass L8 armor sheet, but I don't think ANYONE has ever looted a 9xxx mass L8 engine, shield, or weapon. That's not to say it's not POSSIBLE, just not very likely.
I've been thinking for a while that there was some sort of normal or gaussian distribution function for each piece randomly generated space loot with name (x).
Let's take the Nym's starmap, for instance. It *appears* that the starmap reward (from what I've heard on the forums) might have a mean somewhere between 93-95 and a standard deviation of... well, I have no idea. Though if I would have to hazard a guess, I'd say the standard deviation would be between 2-2.5.
If they are using something along the lines of a normal distribution function, then there's some good news: there should be no absolute maximum or minimum caps on the statistics of the items.
However, the not-so-good news would be that it would be a very very very unlikely event to see something more than 3 standard deviations from whatever the mean statistic is on a looted item.
Also, that reminds me of another thing I was going to post about.
I've ALSO been asked the question:
"Where can I loot a good Lx [usually blaster, engine, shield]?"
And of course, the answer I'm forced to give is "I don't know mixed with anywhere," which usually garners a response of "?", "huh?", or "screw u."
There's a good reason for the vaguery, though - looting in space is kinda like playing darts blindfolded. Ever since a patch a while ago, loot was made "tier-specific," but that's kind of a confuzzeling term, so I'll try to straighten it out...
"Tier-specific" essentially means that you will GENERALLY loot parts given the level of the prey you're hunting.
So, if you're hunting Tier 4s, expect to see a GENERAL range of loot ranging anywhere from about L6-L10, with the majority of the parts you loot being 7&8s. This isn't always the case, but Tomo, the pilot corr, authored a thread a while ago concerning the dropping of L9/L10 parts in Deep Space. The results were quite interesting, to say the least. Of course, don't take this to mean you'll never get L1-L3 loot from T4/5s - you probably will. As I said - like playing darts blindfolded. The higher the kill, the less likely you loot stuff you don't want.
But as for the best ships to kill for loot, specifically in levels you'll be able to use, stick with Tier 3s. Tier 3s seem to be the centerline for everything. You won't loot L10s from them, but I've found they're perfect sources for random loots ranging from levels 1-8, with a tendency to give mostly L4-L6 loot. They seem to have the widest range, though I can't say I've ever looted an L10 weapon or engine from them - those seem to be reserved exclusively for T4/T5 ships.
And finally, there's no ship that gives *more* of a specific loot type over another. The old story about Black Suns dropping more weapons than any other ship class in the game is a myth that still pervades today. Looting is random. Be happy enough that the L9 DI you'd NEVER use is worth about as much as a quenker mission, and it took you only 45 seconds to get it vs. 15-20 minutes roundtrip on Dantoolagged.
Also, remember my previous post about the "1 in 1000" loot. Just because you loot an L6/8 engine doesn't mean that L6/8 engine is going to be up to your standards.
A piece of advice from me is to NEVER LOOK AT YOUR LOOT UNTIL YOU LAND. Call it superstition on my part, but I've always gotten the best loot when I've trusted the loot gods' Divine judgement. It seems whenever I decide to "check on my stuff," it's all crap, and REMAINS crap until I land. The only reason I open my inventory is to check to see how much I have in it if I'm having a particularly good night.
Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 07-04-200504:51 PM
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
If you're going to be buying a ship like the Bel-22 from someone, INSIST on them telling you the chassis score before they hand over the deed. You don't want to get a 10/10 chassis from someone for full price. I wonder how many people have been ripped off this way.
Death doesn't fly a JSF anymore...he flies a Gallente Thorax in EVE Online
