Rules, flameout, exploits and bans

[AzizaEno]

well way i look at it is like this, if people sploit it gets caught. gets caught gets fixed. none of thier cheating is going to matter once the wipe happens. All those 100s of millions of ill gotten goods will go poof, but thier reputation stays. Maybe they will turn around, or maybe they will keep at it who knows but why worry now when all of this will get a squeeky clean slate when Suncrusher is released. Awesome job devs you rock!

You want the exploit to be carried over when it goes live... that they'll behave? Is that what you're saying?

If it's not the message you were trying to come across then I apologize, too much coffee and I've seen/read too many posters that just couldn't get the big picture, that what is really good for the game and not because it benefits "me, myself and I"

[hunterk03]

You want the exploit to be carried over when it goes live... that they'll behave? Is that what you're saying?

If it's not the message you were trying to come across then I apologize, too much coffee and I've seen/read too many posters that just couldn't get the big picture, that what is really good for the game and not because it benefits "me, myself and I"

nope all good what i was saying was it helps the devs that people are exploiting on the alpha server. when i say dont worry i mean those cheating will lose everything when the wipe happens. so its not a big deal to give them another chance. in a way this will assist with getting bugs cleaned up faster this way these bugs wont exist with live. nor will thier ill gotten assets. In regards to sploiting on the finished product i say ban them for life. One thing to do it in a test situation another to do it on a final copy that would be irreversible. I in no way shape or form support sploiting.

[Odelay]

Considering the amount of repeat offenders that I am sure were also caught here, I would prefer to see a permaban (yes i realize there are ways around, but let them deal with it). These people are not the type of people I would like to play with now, or in the future as the server goes on and the project is completed. I am speaking on their level of morality and maturity, which is obviously lacking. I do agree that I appreciate the fact that at least something was done, but anything short of at least combining the two options seems like a slap on the wrist. There is no way in the world they should have been able to keep anything. They will come back and still be well ahead of 99% of the server and their exploits will have paid off in the end.

[missee]

I would have just banned the IP address for the 2 months, instead of just an account. One of the banned is already back playing again before the pixels had even settled on the OP's post. Far as I can tell, the only people who would be worried about it, are those that don't exploit in the first place. I'm glad you did something, now hopefully it get's enforced.

[Isrem]

[ ] You know that IPs are dynamic things


Nevertheless, I am glad that the devs did something at last.
It was still not answered what the BH exploiters get for exploiting and ruining others peoples fun for their own gain.

[AZIronman]

Question: is stacking a **** ton of poison C's (you shouldn't be able to pre-cu, its bugged to where you can on basilisk) considered an exploit?

[Vlada]

I think its just a bug AZ.

[wildcat]

I'm glad you guys did something, but these people got off too easy. Players who would use an exploit in this way are NOT good players and will never be responsible members of this community. They should be culled from the ranks at every opportunity.

That said, there are plenty of things in this build that don't work like Pre-CU. Melee range, for example, was never restricted to 5M or less until the CU. I also don't recall non Jedi players being on the BH terminals until the NGE.

Speaking of which, can we get some sort of official statement regarding BH players willfully exploiting THAT bug? Will they be punished at least as severely as the flameout exploiters?

[rabiz]

I'm glad you guys did something, but these people got off too easy. Players who would use an exploit in this way are NOT good players and will never be responsible members of this community. They should be culled from the ranks at every opportunity.

That said, there are plenty of things in this build that don't work like Pre-CU. Melee range, for example, was never restricted to 5M or less until the CU. I also don't recall non Jedi players being on the BH terminals until the NGE.

Speaking of which, can we get some sort of official statement regarding BH players willfully exploiting THAT bug? Will they be punished at least as severely as the flameout exploiters?

Jedi Players were on the BH terminals before Jump to Lightspeed.

[madderhatter777]

I didn't read through the whole thread, I don't have time.

But are you telling me that 10 hours of down time was to ban people like eternal?

[GikiRofat]

So since the flameout was considered a bug.. heck everything is a bug if it isnt working correctly does that mean that stacking poisons is a bug that when used during pvp which is purposly performed by that player it doesnt randomly occur or the player is not forced into a positon to use multiple poison C's is that considered an exploit and enforced by these rules?

[Vlada]

Flamoet should be fixed, and... Look up, AZ already asked that.

[mmcrimson]

Congrads to the devs/staff of SWGEMU. but I must tell you that I was also very surprised!

Since week one range people have exploited night sisters that will not come within 12 meters of you! People know this is wrong but they do it anyways, not because it is fun but because of the loot!
You knew that you could harvest every 15 seconds but people still abused it even though it was wide knowlege that is was suppose to be way over 20seconds
combat medic exploit, NPC spawn exploit.. AFK ackalay .....

I could go on and on with this!
The staff have done what they thought was right, even if i dissagree, they have tried. 100% A for effort...

The problem is not with the game it is with the mentality of current gamers.. The least amount of effort for the greatest amount of gain no matter who it hurts!

I am sorry but i must agree with previous posts this was a slap on the wrist to say the least! Once someone proves that they will not play by the rules they will not learn not in one week or 2 months or 10 years! Once people have proven that they have no ethics whatsoever they will never have it. In 2 months we will have the old piece of work back, or last night a new character was created run by the same piece of work and will do whatever they could to get as much as they can for the least amount of effort...


Sorry guys A for effort, but sometimes you need to cull the herd!!

[Raven6056]

Thank you for the update, Its very much appreciated .

Note to all:

Think on this...when you are invited to play in a friends house, spend time in that friends social circle and in general are made to feel like part of the family ...

THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DEMAND THEY REDECORATE SAID HOUSE IN COLORS MORE TO YOUR LIKING, SERVE ONLY FOOD YOU LIKE AND GIVE UP ANY SAY ON THE HOUSE RULES IN FAVOR OF YOURS!

We are the guests of the Devs... think before you flame.

[rommelrommel]

Thank you for the update, Its very much appreciated .

Note to all:

Think on this...when you are invited to play in a friends house, spend time in that friends social circle and in general are made to feel like part of the family ...

THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DEMAND THEY REDECORATE SAID HOUSE IN COLORS MORE TO YOUR LIKING, SERVE ONLY FOOD YOU LIKE AND GIVE UP ANY SAY ON THE HOUSE RULES IN FAVOR OF YOURS!

We are the guests of the Devs... think before you flame.

Your friend doesn't ask for donations to pay the rent either.

I agree that there is no need to flame over this. But, exploiting does damage people's gameplay and the overall health/experience of the server. While I am of the kick em to the curb faction, I do also realize that the devs have taken quite a reasonable position. First off, cheaters are good at cheating and will probably continue to cheat. Having them in development makes it much more likely that these are found now rather than on Suncrusher. Also, the rules that were in place didn't really lead anyone to believe that blatent exploiting could lead to serious consequences. Now obviously everyone is on notice.

But, to say that people have no basis to express frustration that the same old people are getting away with the same old stuff is just wrong.