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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsa View Post
    If you need to have a quite specific build to 1 v 1 a Jedi, such as a melee stacker build, this then limits any PVE content greatly, and is therefore not well balanced.
    Umm wut?

    so your saying... any template should be able to beat a jedi because otherwise it imbalances PvE??? sorry i cant agree with this. EVERY template has a use both in pve AND PvP. melee gets huge defensive bonuses against jedi because they are suppose to. The game is rock
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsa View Post
    I'm not bitter about Jedi, I had my own Jedi Knight on live. I just don't see the argument that ADK's alone made Jedi useless.
    Then i suggest you log into TC nova, make a jedi and try and hit a tkm melee stacker without a PSG. then try and hit a rifleman WITH a PSG and see what happens. I guarantee you pick the rifleman to fight every time. Now give the melee stacker a ADK'd psg and see what happens. Ive got no problem with ADK'd PSG's, as long as I can ADK my force bar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsa View Post
    Am I invested in Basilisk? Yes, I play on here regularly and I still enjoy it. I still voted for a new server, but that I would probably invest time into both. Please stop making blanket assumptions and generalizations about me based on little or no evidence. The level of condescension is utterly toxic.

    A simply search of your recent posts show just how much you keep going over the same points over and over. A search of mine will show me mostly focusing on the server I currently play on, and occasionally offering my opinion on new changes that have been announced. Something that I'm starting to regret given the toxicity of your responses. Yet somehow I'm the one resorting to insults?

    /facepalm
    the problem is we all feel very strongly about any changes that are made to this game because of what happened with the CU. If you wish to engage in healthy debate, you need to be clear about your vested interests, the condescension in these posts is NOT going one way only. Not having played a Jedi in the current code base, makes your opinion little more than conjecture. You dont SEE the argument because you havn't experienced it. Again i think its important to engage in healthy debate, but your input would be much more valuable if you had experienced what he is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkiller01 View Post
    Umm wut?

    so your saying... any template should be able to beat a jedi because otherwise it imbalances PvE??? sorry i cant agree with this. EVERY template has a use both in pve AND PvP. melee gets huge defensive bonuses against jedi because they are suppose to. The game is rock


    Then i suggest you log into TC nova, make a jedi and try and hit a tkm melee stacker without a PSG. then try and hit a rifleman WITH a PSG and see what happens. I guarantee you pick the rifleman to fight every time. Now give the melee stacker a ADK'd psg and see what happens. Ive got no problem with ADK'd PSG's, as long as I can ADK my force bar.



    the problem is we all feel very strongly about any changes that are made to this game because of what happened with the CU. If you wish to engage in healthy debate, you need to be clear about your vested interests, the condescension in these posts is NOT going one way only. Not having played a Jedi in the current code base, makes your opinion little more than conjecture. You dont SEE the argument because you havn't experienced it. Again i think its important to engage in healthy debate, but your input would be much more valuable if you had experienced what he is talking about.
    No, I'm not saying that any template should beat a jedi (or any other template for that matter), let alone because it imbalances PVE. I would much rather see a better way of balancing ALL elite templates (obviously there would have to be a penalty for dropping skill points for non combat skills) so there is no near indestructible build.
    Obviously the CU and NGE were awful ideas, or at least awfully executed ones, and I appreciate we'll never see a level playing field in the game. Yes, the meta will always change to reflect the boundaries of the game at any given time, but that just means the game stagnates to being just a few sub-classes dominating, and that for me gets really boring after a short while.

    If the current meta is so bad for Jedi vs melee stacker (without ADK'd PSG's) templates this only seems to give more weight to my argument that ADK'd PSGs are not the absolute evil they are being made out to be. I'm sure it does impact PVP but surely its more about the game mechanics than ADKs alone? Yes ADKs do have a small effect on the economy, but I do stand by that this effect is being exaggerated unjustly.

    I enjoyed my time PVPing back in the day on Euro-Infinity regardless of whether I was on the winning or losing side, but I always accepted that for the most part it was a broken and unbalanced system. We were lucky enough on Infinity that the server wasn't too flooded with insane DoT weapons, but given how late I joined Basilisk it was obvious I wouldn't have enjoyed it, so I never attempted to join in.
    So with that said, I will concede that my 2 cents about the current issues holds less weight than others who have engaged it in. Should that mean that I am open to ridicule and abuse? I certainly don't think so - and I applaud you for keeping it civil.

    For me, my biggest passion in SWG has, and always will be the pursuit of rare loot drops. As such, I spend a significant time hunting end game content such as Elders, Council Woman and Dark Jedi. (I used to do a fair bit of Krayt hunting but lady luck was never kind to me when looting them)
    As such, an ADK means that making that investment of time isn't lost entirely, especially given the potential for the life span of Basilisk, Finalizer or the 1.0 server when it gets here. As I've stated several times, I'm more than happy for them to be 1 per account, and I'd even be on board with not allowing them to be used with a PSG if it balances things out.

    I have never once stated that I think ADK'd PSG's with 66% LS resists are a good thing for the game. (yes I do own one, but that's purely for Stun Bat wielding NS/CW and DJK/DJM's) In fact, all I've asked for in regards to LS damage and resists is a better balance solution that doesn't result in the removal of ADKs.

    With all of that said, I can live without ADKs in the game. I'd simply be sad to see them removed if doing so mostly benefits a single class of player predominantly.

    It sucks that the meta trends ruin any real balance in this game. Force Powers look so damn cool but were always super weak, the number of CM/RMs running around back in the day was just silly.

    Anyway, I've said about all I want to about these subjects for now, and I look forward to seeing the community get back to healthier numbers, and hopefully being a lot more social and friendly in the near future both on Basilisk and Finalizer.

    Peace out.
    Last edited by Katsa; 12-15-2021 at 12:12 AM.
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