New Play-Test Server Survey Results

[Katsa]

Apparently you are not aware. You could have posted your opinions in this thread, like everyone else: https://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241977

Instead, you were too busy posting in the Basilisk trade forums. Huh, I wonder what the motives are here?





Yeah, you got me - I've been 'banging the same drum' for what, 2 weeks since I got back here? And you have been here less than 2 years? You can check my join date, how can you make a false claim like that? LOL.

Again, you seem very heavily invested in Basilisk. I think we know what's going on here and why you don't want to see a new server with better changes that reflect a true pre-cu experience we had in 2004.



Is the Jedi who wronged you in the room with us right now?



So you want a server like Basilisk where Jedi suck, after months of time investment - because of 10 years of resources, ADKs, 70% LS psgs, and broken weapons is more fun for you? What's your definition of overpowered? Are these things not overpowered? Only overpowered if they have a glowbat? Cool, stay on Basilisk then. That's not how Pre-CU was. You can look up many videos where Jedi were prevalent. Here's one:



Looks like a lot of Jedi. Not sure what to tell you. Ever heard of a stacker? Doesn't seem overpowered to me.





Nothing's personal - it's a game. As I pointed out, you seem very attached to Basilisk based on your post history. I don't think you've been around here long enough to fully understand the bigger picture. Next time there's an important thread with 10k+ views, voice your input. Don't start throwing insults because you didn't get your way.

Respect the Staff decision, and make your own decision now that they presented to you.

1. Play the new server
2. Play Basilisk
3. Play both servers
4. Don't play at all

Simple as that.

The 1 v 1 battle does nothing to disprove the imbalance in the game. The pikeman is using a legendary weapon for a start, many of the comments suggest the Jedi is using a weak template, and there's no way of knowing if an ADK'd PSG is being used (not to mention an ADK' LS as plenty of Jedi will have used theirs for a capped/near cap LS)

The group Jedi battle shows a large number of Jedi, but doesn't reflect what percentage of the server population that represents. I've never stated that there were hardly any Jedi, simply that they were less common back then. Make it easier and quicker to unlock a Padawan now, and even easier to build one to a full template thanks to a decade of people learning how to level way faster than ever before and they will be more prevalent than ever.

If you need to have a quite specific build to 1 v 1 a Jedi, such as a melee stacker build, this then limits any PVE content greatly, and is therefore not well balanced. Give them a better source of protection vs LS allows for a better range of options.

I'm not bitter about Jedi, I had my own Jedi Knight on live. I just don't see the argument that ADK's alone made Jedi useless.

Am I invested in Basilisk? Yes, I play on here regularly and I still enjoy it. I still voted for a new server, but that I would probably invest time into both. Please stop making blanket assumptions and generalizations about me based on little or no evidence. The level of condescension is utterly toxic.

A simply search of your recent posts show just how much you keep going over the same points over and over. A search of mine will show me mostly focusing on the server I currently play on, and occasionally offering my opinion on new changes that have been announced. Something that I'm starting to regret given the toxicity of your responses. Yet somehow I'm the one resorting to insults?

/facepalm

[SLiFeR]

The 1 v 1 battle does nothing to disprove the imbalance in the game. The pikeman is using a legendary weapon for a start, many of the comments suggest the Jedi is using a weak template, and there's no way of knowing if an ADK'd PSG is being used (not to mention an ADK' LS as plenty of Jedi will have used theirs for a capped/near cap LS)

Wrong.



1. There's no confirm on the weapon type, only speculation. He's low rank, looks like Sentinel 2 or 3 at the bottom skill window. If it was a 3k LVA, the fight would be over in 20 seconds.
2. The point is he's a Pikeman (the worst defense melee profession) and the Jedi can't hit him at all.
3. He's Master Lightsaber/Master Enhancer, which was the most popular template back then. And it's still not a bad template today.
4. Pretty clear Jedi are not 'overpowered' as you claimed.
5. You don't PvP. Why do non-pvpers always want to change parts of the game they don't participate in?

The group Jedi battle shows a large number of Jedi, but doesn't reflect what percentage of the server population that represents. I've never stated that there were hardly any Jedi, simply that they were rare back then. Make it easier to unlock a Jedi now, and even easier to build one to a full template and they will be more prevalent than ever before.

If you need to have a quite specific build to 1 v 1 a Jedi, such as a melee stacker build, this then limits any PVE content greatly, and is therefore not well balanced. Give them a better source of protection vs LS allows for a better range of options.

Wrong, again. Search SWG Pre-CU Lowca Jedi on YouTube. They were not rare. You are confused about when Jedi had Permadeath, that's when they were rare, because they could lose the character.



Jedi are a big part of Star Wars - and a profession in SWG. It's time to accept it.

And how does a stacker template "limit PvE" can they not twohandheadhit3 all the same? Absolutely ridiculous.

I'm not bitter about Jedi, I had my own Jedi Knight on live. I just don't see the argument that ADK's alone made Jedi useless.

Obviously you didn't have one, or have one now.

Look at this video from Basilisk. I made it as a joke.



4 Jedi beating on 2 normie toons, one a squishy Combat Medic, and they can't kill them for 5+ minutes. Had they been riflemen instead of Jedi, it would have been over in 30 seconds. I'm on the Fencer/Doc that they called in for help to cure the jedi them and provide dot damage. They would have died 2v4 otherwise. Maybe we should nerf combat medic? I'd love to know where you get your information and experience from. ADKs dont make a difference. /s.

Am I invested in Basilisk? Yes, I play on here regularly and I still enjoy it. I still voted for a new server, but that I would probably invest time into both. Please stop making blanket assumptions and generalizations about me based on little or no evidence. The level of condescension is utterly toxic.

A simply search of your recent posts show just how much you keep going over the same points over and over. A search of mine will show me mostly focusing on the server I currently play on, and occasionally offering my opinion on new changes that have been announced. Something that I'm starting to regret given the toxicity of your responses. Yet somehow I'm the one resorting to insults?

/facepalm

Don't whine about 'toxicity'. Grow up. Don't come in to a thread to complain, then throw a fit when someone refutes you. You've been given options.

Also, thanks for proving my point about you and Basilisk. Have fun on there while we get a better, authentic pre-cu experience.

[Starkiller01]

If you need to have a quite specific build to 1 v 1 a Jedi, such as a melee stacker build, this then limits any PVE content greatly, and is therefore not well balanced.

Umm wut?

so your saying... any template should be able to beat a jedi because otherwise it imbalances PvE??? sorry i cant agree with this. EVERY template has a use both in pve AND PvP. melee gets huge defensive bonuses against jedi because they are suppose to. The game is rock

I'm not bitter about Jedi, I had my own Jedi Knight on live. I just don't see the argument that ADK's alone made Jedi useless.

Then i suggest you log into TC nova, make a jedi and try and hit a tkm melee stacker without a PSG. then try and hit a rifleman WITH a PSG and see what happens. I guarantee you pick the rifleman to fight every time. Now give the melee stacker a ADK'd psg and see what happens. Ive got no problem with ADK'd PSG's, as long as I can ADK my force bar.

Am I invested in Basilisk? Yes, I play on here regularly and I still enjoy it. I still voted for a new server, but that I would probably invest time into both. Please stop making blanket assumptions and generalizations about me based on little or no evidence. The level of condescension is utterly toxic.

A simply search of your recent posts show just how much you keep going over the same points over and over. A search of mine will show me mostly focusing on the server I currently play on, and occasionally offering my opinion on new changes that have been announced. Something that I'm starting to regret given the toxicity of your responses. Yet somehow I'm the one resorting to insults?

/facepalm

the problem is we all feel very strongly about any changes that are made to this game because of what happened with the CU. If you wish to engage in healthy debate, you need to be clear about your vested interests, the condescension in these posts is NOT going one way only. Not having played a Jedi in the current code base, makes your opinion little more than conjecture. You dont SEE the argument because you havn't experienced it. Again i think its important to engage in healthy debate, but your input would be much more valuable if you had experienced what he is talking about.

[Katsa]

Umm wut?

so your saying... any template should be able to beat a jedi because otherwise it imbalances PvE??? sorry i cant agree with this. EVERY template has a use both in pve AND PvP. melee gets huge defensive bonuses against jedi because they are suppose to. The game is rock


Then i suggest you log into TC nova, make a jedi and try and hit a tkm melee stacker without a PSG. then try and hit a rifleman WITH a PSG and see what happens. I guarantee you pick the rifleman to fight every time. Now give the melee stacker a ADK'd psg and see what happens. Ive got no problem with ADK'd PSG's, as long as I can ADK my force bar.



the problem is we all feel very strongly about any changes that are made to this game because of what happened with the CU. If you wish to engage in healthy debate, you need to be clear about your vested interests, the condescension in these posts is NOT going one way only. Not having played a Jedi in the current code base, makes your opinion little more than conjecture. You dont SEE the argument because you havn't experienced it. Again i think its important to engage in healthy debate, but your input would be much more valuable if you had experienced what he is talking about.

No, I'm not saying that any template should beat a jedi (or any other template for that matter), let alone because it imbalances PVE. I would much rather see a better way of balancing ALL elite templates (obviously there would have to be a penalty for dropping skill points for non combat skills) so there is no near indestructible build.
Obviously the CU and NGE were awful ideas, or at least awfully executed ones, and I appreciate we'll never see a level playing field in the game. Yes, the meta will always change to reflect the boundaries of the game at any given time, but that just means the game stagnates to being just a few sub-classes dominating, and that for me gets really boring after a short while.

If the current meta is so bad for Jedi vs melee stacker (without ADK'd PSG's) templates this only seems to give more weight to my argument that ADK'd PSGs are not the absolute evil they are being made out to be. I'm sure it does impact PVP but surely its more about the game mechanics than ADKs alone? Yes ADKs do have a small effect on the economy, but I do stand by that this effect is being exaggerated unjustly.

I enjoyed my time PVPing back in the day on Euro-Infinity regardless of whether I was on the winning or losing side, but I always accepted that for the most part it was a broken and unbalanced system. We were lucky enough on Infinity that the server wasn't too flooded with insane DoT weapons, but given how late I joined Basilisk it was obvious I wouldn't have enjoyed it, so I never attempted to join in.
So with that said, I will concede that my 2 cents about the current issues holds less weight than others who have engaged it in. Should that mean that I am open to ridicule and abuse? I certainly don't think so - and I applaud you for keeping it civil.

For me, my biggest passion in SWG has, and always will be the pursuit of rare loot drops. As such, I spend a significant time hunting end game content such as Elders, Council Woman and Dark Jedi. (I used to do a fair bit of Krayt hunting but lady luck was never kind to me when looting them)
As such, an ADK means that making that investment of time isn't lost entirely, especially given the potential for the life span of Basilisk, Finalizer or the 1.0 server when it gets here. As I've stated several times, I'm more than happy for them to be 1 per account, and I'd even be on board with not allowing them to be used with a PSG if it balances things out.

I have never once stated that I think ADK'd PSG's with 66% LS resists are a good thing for the game. (yes I do own one, but that's purely for Stun Bat wielding NS/CW and DJK/DJM's) In fact, all I've asked for in regards to LS damage and resists is a better balance solution that doesn't result in the removal of ADKs.

With all of that said, I can live without ADKs in the game. I'd simply be sad to see them removed if doing so mostly benefits a single class of player predominantly.

It sucks that the meta trends ruin any real balance in this game. Force Powers look so damn cool but were always super weak, the number of CM/RMs running around back in the day was just silly.

Anyway, I've said about all I want to about these subjects for now, and I look forward to seeing the community get back to healthier numbers, and hopefully being a lot more social and friendly in the near future both on Basilisk and Finalizer.

Peace out.