SWGEmu half-year financial report (second half of 2013)

[acidanarchy]

Like Vlada said, the only cause of the downward spiral is the lawyer fees. That's not a reason not to donate but a simple yes or no from ****** could solve our financial issue.

Big companies are like big government. When they see something they want to get rid of they generally play the financial game with them, which is letting things take as long as possible until the other party runs out of money and can't win.

[Blacknights]

So why dont we play like there is no more money and force their hand while there is still a little money left to use? Its going to happen eventually anyway. Why wait till its all gone? Like Vlada said, "Development will go on no matter what." Stop playing their game. If they dont like something they'll come to you. Why burn the purse in the meantime?

[Vlada]

So why dont we play like there is no more money and force their hand while there is still a little money left to use? Its going to happen eventually anyway. Why wait till its all gone? Like Vlada said, "Development will go on no matter what." Stop playing their game. If they dont like something they'll come to you. Why burn the purse in the meantime?

Force whose hand? ******'s?

[civic_tiger]

Okay.. so I did some math and some of the numbers of december are incorrect.. Again..

December:
Previous Balance from November = $6121.68
+ December donations: $2,997.88.
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PayPal fees = $175.12
K&H Bank = $2,293.00
Hosting Services, Inc = $226.15
FDC Servers.net, LLC = $199.00
Hosting Services, Inc = $147.38
Softlayer = $1595.34
TOTAL EXPENSES = $4,635.99
December had a total shortfall of $1638.11 with a final PayPal account balance of $4,438.57

THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS: $4,483.57 ($50 DIFFERENCE IN LOSS)
Looks like a typo between the 8 and 3 numbers being switched around. Should make sure the PayPal balance actually reads the exact amount of the forecast at each month..


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Assembla, Inc prices also do not match up to the listed expenses across multiple months. The prices are always different (usually ranging from $19 to $60) but none of those numbers match up to the listed prices at their web site, https://www.assembla.com/plans

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Softlayer's prices are $754.29/mo. This is their capped amount for their Virtual Servers. Providing that Bas and Nova are both using the same capped limited (although idk why Nova would need as much storage as Bas), the total amount is equal to: $1508.58/mo. A difference is loss of $89.76 in December and an even bigger difference in loss of $242.62 in August.
http://www.softlayer.com/virtual-servers (drag all 3 sliders to the right, the max amount (for a massive machine) is $754.29/mo.

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The K&H Bank (part of the K&H group) also does not list a lawyer section of their group? Is this some how internal or have you just put the lawyer fee's and bank fee's into the same category? (idk why you'd do that)
https://ebank.khb.hu/publish/kh/en/kh_group.html

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PayPal fee's also do not add up. The not-for-profit fee is 1.4%, a reduced amount from the standard 3.4% fee. The December's amount of $2,997.88 for example, equals to $41.96 @ 1.4%. Assuming that 300 people donated, a further $20 is added from the static fee. This means there is a difference in loss of an estimated $101.



In the month of November alone there is a loss in difference of:
$132.62 via Softlayer
$101 from PayPal Fees
$10 from Assembla, Inc (assuming that the prices is based on the $49/month model.. although the prices is sometimes shown as $19 but never rises over $60)


Sorry for the assumptions/questions, I am just interested in how the money is being spent.
My friend told me about a group of people who made money from lying about their donations on an emulator of the game 'Dark Age Of Camelot'. He knew the dev personally and contributed some of the code. The devs were making over $1,000 each per month. They didn't sleep much but for the short time that they were making money, they didn't care. They got paid to get experience to then use the experience to apply for jobs - win, win.
I am not making bold accusations. I am just curious, that is all.

[Viaron]

You have a lot of free time on your hands... But I think it was just a typo.

[Vlada]

Okay.. so I did some math and some of the numbers of december are incorrect.. Again..

December:
Previous Balance from November = $6121.68
+ December donations: $2,997.88.
-
PayPal fees = $175.12
K&H Bank = $2,293.00
Hosting Services, Inc = $226.15
FDC Servers.net, LLC = $199.00
Hosting Services, Inc = $147.38
Softlayer = $1595.34
TOTAL EXPENSES = $4,635.99
December had a total shortfall of $1638.11 with a final PayPal account balance of $4,438.57

THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS: $4,483.57 ($50 DIFFERENCE IN LOSS)
Looks like a typo between the 8 and 3 numbers being switched around. Should make sure the PayPal balance actually reads the exact amount of the forecast at each month.

That's a typo.

Assembla, Inc prices also do not match up to the listed expenses across multiple months. The prices are always different (usually ranging from $19 to $60) but none of those numbers match up to the listed prices at their web site, https://www.assembla.com/plans

We had some problems with Assembla, and they took everything of ours down and wanted to delete it. We no longer use it but i think we are just paying them not to delete or data or something. TheAnswer and Oru should know more.

Softlayer's prices are $754.29/mo. This is their capped amount for their Virtual Servers. Providing that Bas and Nova are both using the same capped limited (although idk why Nova would need as much storage as Bas), the total amount is equal to: $1508.58/mo. A difference is loss of $89.76 in December and an even bigger difference in loss of $242.62 in August.
http://www.softlayer.com/virtual-servers (drag all 3 sliders to the right, the max amount (for a massive machine) is $754.29/mo.

We are not useing virtual servers we are suing actual servers customized for our needs. And Bas and Nova are on very different boxes and hosted by different companies. You can find their specs here: https://www.swgemu.com/forums/content.php?r=359 You will also notice that Bas has a bandwidth limit, going over it (which we do all the time) brings additional costs.

The K&H Bank (part of the K&H group) also does not list a lawyer section of their group? Is this some how internal or have you just put the lawyer fee's and bank fee's into the same category? (idk why you'd do that)
https://ebank.khb.hu/publish/kh/en/kh_group.html

Is just a bank, funds are moved there so we can pay lawyers, accountants and NPO fees in Hungary in HUF.

PayPal fee's also do not add up. The not-for-profit fee is 1.4%, a reduced amount from the standard 3.4% fee. The December's amount of $2,997.88 for example, equals to $41.96 @ 1.4%. Assuming that 300 people donated, a further $20 is added from the static fee. This means there is a difference in loss of an estimated $101.

Here is a capture of the last few... And its not 1.4%... nor is it 3.4%. For some reason they vary.



It weird actually. for $20 first fee is $1.08 and then its $1.06.