Its not so much that a profession is designated as a SECRET, its that holocrons only give hints on UP TO 4 professions. This leaves one that you must find, but there's no designation that a particular profession is secret, its just that after holocrons are done there's still one profession left. Holocrons are concerned with giving hints until you have mastered 4 of the required professions. They give the hint when you USE the holocron, they don't have logic saying 'but don't tell them profession X, its a secret'.
AHHHHH i see where we are now misunderstanding each other Fell.
Yes I know if you open up 2 at the same time it tells you the same thing... I agree with you... But thats not what i was talking about.
Let me see if i can try and re-explain what i mean. I know i'm not the best at it.
If you use a holocron say your first one. It pulls a profession from the ones that were chosen for you. You must then complete that one. When you then completed that one you use another one and it pulls another one from that pool... but if you do not it pulls the same one. What i'm saying is everytime you complete your assigned profession it pulls another one from your pool. I believe this part to be random pull from your poll. No set reasoning.
They could be random they could be in line... either way i believe we are both right and you need to find out what a fifth profession is... fair to say that? I think so.
As for your example it seems to me your just stating that it's a random thing... What i fail to understand is where is the "clue" you get from the previous professions from the x y z thing... as in what profession even ties to Combat medic or Artisan....?
Like Shroom says you make the big mistake ruling out the first 3 professions... It's a mistake, because your saying anything before the holocrons does not count... at least this is how i'm reading it and that is simply not true... or at least not all the way true
If you apply the 2/3 3/2 2 in line theories to your one you pulled you will see that:
Artisan - DE make 1 match
then you have TKA and CM
from this you notice from the list of profession that the person has done that:
Medic - CM are the 2nd match
and TKA is the odd man out.
this goes with the 2/3 (2 basics 3 elites) + 2 in line theories.
this is why i don't see anything from your X Y Z theory.
but then again i think your trying to say the same thing as me... honestly. Your basically saying that the clue to your missing profession comes the things you have done and the hints the holo's give you. If that is what your saying then we are saying the same things. We are looking at it 2 different ways... Just i can't see how the x y z relates.
If you go back and read way in the begining you see the 2 theories that i tend to you on people's threads.
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Its not so much that a profession is designated as a SECRET, its that holocrons only give hints on UP TO 4 professions. This leaves one that you must find, but there's no designation that a particular profession is secret, its just that after holocrons are done there's still one profession left. Holocrons are concerned with giving hints until you have mastered 4 of the required professions. They give the hint when you USE the holocron, they don't have logic saying 'but don't tell them profession X, its a secret'.
I agree with they give up to 4 clues... but you could/can code something that it makes 2 pools. 1 that contains 4 professions and the other one that holds the 5th. It's very possible. Where as the holocrons only look at pool 1. Either way if you get a silent holocron your missing 1 profession
Holocrons do not adapt... I think it's fair to say the professions are choosen for you at creation.
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Hmm, just had a thought, triggered by someone reminding us that using a 2nd holo before completing the profession indicated by the 1st one results in the profession being repeated. This would seem to rule out the idea that the holo just randomly picks an uncompleted profession from your list. It could be that the use of a holo somehow flags a profession "clue_given = true", or it could be that the list does indeed get pulled in order, the order being randomly set at generation, but it is then set. The holo just starts at the top of the list, if it's not yet done, show the profession, if it's done, show the next one, and if it's the last one, no clue for you.
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If holocrons randomly selected a profession from your remaining required professions then they wouldn't tell you the same thing everytime you used them. They would say something different each time (which you could use to determine all 5 required professions). The holocron picks professions in an order. There's no significance to the order, but the order is there so you won't get a different profession every time you use a holocron unless you master the profession it tells you.
Think of the 5 professions as a list. The list is randomly generated when your character is created. There is no order to the list, its just whatever order the randomly picked professions were generated. They don't have to be mastered in any particular order, there's nothing special about the relationship between the profession. Because of the mechanics of holocrons, the last profession won't be told to you by the holocrons, and its possible OTHER professions in the list won't either if you master them before using holocrons, but there's nothing that necessarily predetermines a profession won't be given by holocrons, because holocrons were added AFTER the FSCS mechanics, not during. Its just the way the professions landed in the initial list that a holocron won't tell you that last profession generated. Remember, holocrons must go in a specific order so you can get the same holocron profession everytime you use the holcron (until you mastter the profession).
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As for your example it seems to me your just stating that it's a random thing... What i fail to understand is where is the "clue" you get from the previous professions from the x y z thing... as in what profession even ties to Combat medic or Artisan....?
I didn't say it was a theory. I'm stating that its possible to master professions between using a holocron and mastering the holocron profession and end up unlocking the FSCS. Thats your clue. Say you've used 4 holocrons, and the 4th holocron says 'Pistoleer' , for example. So you know ONE of your TWO remaining professions is Pistoleer. Instead of mastering Pistoleer, you master a bunch of other stuff (in hopes of hitting your OTHER required profession). Then you master Pistoleer and unlock the FSCS. So your FOURTH HOLOCRON profession turned into your FIFTH REQUIRED, because somewhere between mastering your THIRD HOLOCRON PROFESSION and mastering your FOURTH HOLCRON profession you mastered your FOURTH REQUIRED profession. Thats why I prefer to use LETTERS, there's less confusion
I used to subscribe as well to the 'hidden' profession being earmarked. I dont anymore. It should be noted that the evidence seems to point to a pool of five from which the holocron classes are pulled. Why this is important is the pre-mastering of basics. If this is true its better to NOT pre-master the basics before you use holocrons that way increasing your chances that the hidden will be a basic skill. It would be interesting to know just how much in % if this were true you would increase your chances of getting a basic as the hidden class if you do not premaster 1-5 of the basics.
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All this proves is that Brawler, Scout, Entertainer, Marksman, OR Fencer, Creature Handler or Medic was the "hidden" fifth profession. If, in fact, the system generates 5 Jedi professions for you to master, and the Holo's give hints on the first 4, then you can't rule out ANY mastery as meeting your obligations for the 5th profession.
--Shmooshme
Wrong. According to theory, if Fencer, Creature Handler or Medic was one of the person's 5 professions, the 3rd holocron would have been silent (he would have already had mastered 4 of the 5 professions in other words).
However, this question must be answered. When did he use the 4th holocron? Did he use it right after mastering Artisan? Or did he master after finishing Entertainer?
If he used it after mastering Entertainer then mastered markmsen in the process of mastering CM, then marksment was his 5th profession to unlock his slot. If he used it after mastering brawler, got told to master CM and then mastered Scount, entertainer and marksmen before he finished mastering CM, then any of those 3 professions could be the 5th and final profession.
Let me know if you have any questions,
Johni Flek Bloodfin Eighth Direction
Currently on 4th Holo - 1st) TKA 2nd) Musician 3rd) Medic 4th) Fencer
Others mastered - CH, Scout, Marksmen - 1 box from Artisan, 3 boxes from Brawler
Just need to finish 10% of the survey IV box to have master artisan and finish the 2hand and polearm to finish brawler. So far (probably concidence) my holo's have given professions in reverse alphabetical order. Since none have been an hybrid profession, I'm guessing I'm one of the lucky ones to not have to do one of those (seems like those who have had one hybrid have gotten two - need to do more research on this one).
So after finishing fencer, I will complete Artisan. If no luck, then in this order brawler, architecht, DE, and armorsmith, carbineer, doctor, chef, dancer, image designer, etc.
Just need to finish 10% of the survey IV box to have master artisan and finish the 2hand and polearm to finish brawler. So far (probably concidence) my holo's have given professions in reverse alphabetical order. Since none have been an hybrid profession, I'm guessing I'm one of the lucky ones to not have to do one of those (seems like those who have had one hybrid have gotten two - need to do more research on this one).
So after finishing fencer, I will complete Artisan. If no luck, then in this order brawler, architecht, DE, and armorsmith, carbineer, doctor, chef, dancer, image designer, etc.
Why would you go carbineer and doctor after Armorsmith, when you already have some or all of the artisan exp to just move over to chef? at engineering III you can make personal wind generators to get general crafting exp to move up the domestic arts line to qualify for Novice Chef
<<Why would you go carbineer and doctor after Armorsmith, when you already have some or all of the artisan exp to just move over to chef? at engineering III you can make personal wind generators to get general crafting exp to move up the domestic arts line to qualify for Novice Chef >>
/agree
I have to do Armorsmithing and am going to Master Artisan right after Im done just to check that one off the list. It's just too easy to do with Engineering 3/4 to not do it.
Everytime you used them. They would say something different each time (which you could use to determine all 5 required professions). The holocron picks professions in an order. There's no significance to the order, but the order is there so you won't get a different profession every time you use a holocron unless you master the profession it tells you.
Think of the 5 professions as a list. The list is randomly generated when your character is created. There is no order to the list, its just whatever order the randomly picked professions were generated. They don't have to be mastered in any particular order, there's nothing special about the relationship between the profession. Because of the mechanics of holocrons, the last profession won't be told to you by the holocrons, and its possible OTHER professions in the list won't either if you master them before using holocrons, but there's nothing that necessarily predetermines a profession won't be given by holocrons, because holocrons were added AFTER the FSCS mechanics, not during. Its just the way the professions landed in the initial list that a holocron won't tell you that last profession generated. Remember, holocrons must go in a specific order so you can get the same holocron profession everytime you use the holcron (until you mastter the profession).
I never said it wasn't a list. I agree with you it's a predetermined list. I even restated that what i meant it might pull them randomily "after" you complete the profession it told you. the code could have a simple check to make sure you did it or not. What i'm saying is it's Not totally impossible for it to be this way. Is that hard to understand? I got what your saying and i've agreed it can be that way. it can be a lot of ways at this point.
As for trying to find a pattern to why things might be linked... take a second and look how the 2 basics/3 elites or 3 elites/2 basics and 2 in line professions fit. Are they 100% the case no. I never stated they were but can you deny that they fit 85%+ of the know jedi cases?
What i'm trying to do is give people some sort of road map to try instead of just randomily picking something. Let's call it a best fit scenerio. It' seems to help and it gives you some sort of hope. is that so bad
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I didn't say it was a theory. I'm stating that its possible to master professions between using a holocron and mastering the holocron profession and end up unlocking the FSCS. Thats your clue. Say you've used 4 holocrons, and the 4th holocron says 'Pistoleer' , for example. So you know ONE of your TWO remaining professions is Pistoleer. Instead of mastering Pistoleer, you master a bunch of other stuff (in hopes of hitting your OTHER required profession). Then you master Pistoleer and unlock the FSCS. So your FOURTH HOLOCRON profession turned into your FIFTH REQUIRED, because somewhere between mastering your THIRD HOLOCRON PROFESSION and mastering your FOURTH HOLCRON profession you mastered your FOURTH REQUIRED profession. Thats why I prefer to use LETTERS, there's less confusion
Yes ok i agree with that statement. I thought you were saying that you have to master things inbetween them to get the slot to unlock. But what i throw out to this is how can you determine that the 3 professions the person did prior to all the holocrons isn't the mystery one.
See we are saying about the same thing but neither of us can prove it correct... I mean is there a clear indicator that we don't know something is earmarked or if it goes down the list. thats the point... The reason why I think it's earmarked is when you start apply the other theories on how to determine your silent profession... Is there a clue.. I believe there is one you believe there is one... we just have 2 different approaches on how to get it. as far as we know we both could be right.
We are debating the same thing i feel.
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Wrong. According to theory, if Fencer, Creature Handler or Medic was one of the person's 5 professions, the 3rd holocron would have been silent (he would have already had mastered 4 of the 5 professions in other words).
However, this question must be answered. When did he use the 4th holocron? Did he use it right after mastering Artisan? Or did he master after finishing Entertainer?
If he used it after mastering Entertainer then mastered markmsen in the process of mastering CM, then marksment was his 5th profession to unlock his slot. If he used it after mastering brawler, got told to master CM and then mastered Scount, entertainer and marksmen before he finished mastering CM, then any of those 3 professions could be the 5th and final profession.
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This is what i mean about the earmark... are we sure it would have went silent or not... we don't know... and like you also state we ar enot sure when he opened the holo. it's tough trying to find the pattern. the best you have right now is the fact that we all agree it's 5 professions the holo's give you up to 4 clues and you go from there. The best thing you can do is not have anything mastered get 4 holos and go from there. imo...
as for what to do next... what fell said... also i would try brawler first.... just a guess.
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If my first holocron says Master BE, and my second says Master CH. Does that mean I can just drop the first holocron profession to pursue the second holocron profession? As long as I master one of the five professions I can eliminate each one one by one?
>>If my first holocron says Master BE, and my second says Master CH. Does that mean I can just drop the first holocron profession to pursue the second holocron profession? As long as I master one of the five professions I can eliminate each one one by one?
Yes, you can drop them as needed or else you will not be able to master all the professions the holos tell you to. Sorry for the delay in responding.
"But what i throw out to this is how can you determine that the 3 professions the person did prior to all the holocrons isn't the mystery one. "
Great discussion all - make me want to reconsider my desicion to not hunt holos hehe.
I think what he is trying to say is that the hidden profession is NOT earmarked and if one of the three pre holo mastered professions WAS a FSCS profession then the 4th holo used would have been silent because the holo wont give a hint on the last profession needed
Where as the holocrons only look at pool 1. Either way if you get a silent holocron your missing 1 profession 
