BleuDestiny, I do not see the problem you have, and also the hostile approach you chose towards it.
Your storage limits would stay the same with my vision. Why is that bad? Stacks of items and such would stay unaffected. Stack increases are good ideas. But stacks still count as only one item.
Also, this is not a crafter resources forum, it deals with housing and cities. This thread also deals with item limits in housing and you will have to understand that as well.
If you would like to create a thread with your own ideas in the appropriate forum, please do so.
My vision here does only deal with the problem of having to have several extra houses for storage and the inability to fully decorate most houses and ships while.
The things you mentioned mostly do not have much to do with my original post. Also, I would like to add, that under normal (non-exploitive) circumstances, you shouldn't really be able to store more than 750-1000 resources in lotted structures at the moment with a single character anyway, so I wonder how you do it. And no, I am not counting crates and stacks, as they only count as one item inside a house when not split.
Message Edited by Glzmo on 01-21-200504:47 PM
First off, if we keep inappropriately using the word "vision" i'm going to continue to be miffed. Its a narrow-view and opinion. The storage and lot issue is a huge issue, one that impacts crafters on a daily basis. It impacts non crafters too, as you can see from the above count I provided can apply to non-crafters (and does so) regularly. So the narrow opinions you expressed attempt to railroad this important topic bothers me greatly. It would be a grave error for something as important as this issue be mishandled as was the jedi 'opinion' that for whatever reason known to wookies was inappropriately stickied in the Jedi forum. Let's not make that mistake again. LOL, well no, not LOL, its not funny. Let's step off our soap box and let issues get discussed, rather than attempt to put out narrow ideas and attempt to make them larger than they are by attaching words like "vision" and using nice headers and colors.
Now, what constructive additions do you have to make my 'narrow-view and opinion' a 'vision' that would suit you as well?
I hope to not make any constructive additions to the inadequacy of what's been proposed in this thread, but in fact I did offer up two things:
1) I demonstrated with a realistic example, the number of items people typically are trying to manage, which has the side benefit of demonstrating how inadequate the so-called solution is that this tread was started with...
2) I offered some real solutions to the problem that would not require a lot of recoding of the server database and schematics which can themselves lead to a lot of instability, by working with existing schemas, by raising stacks and crate limits, ei. the items that go into the houses
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First off, if we keep inappropriately using the word "vision" i'm going to continue to be miffed. Its a narrow-view and opinion. The storage and lot issue is a huge issue, one that impacts crafters on a daily basis. It impacts non crafters too, as you can see from the above count I provided can apply to non-crafters (and does so) regularly. So the narrow opinions you expressed attempt to railroad this important topic bothers me greatly. It would be a grave error for something as important as this issue be mishandled as was the jedi 'opinion' that for whatever reason known to wookies was inappropriately stickied in the Jedi forum. Let's not make that mistake again. LOL, well no, not LOL, its not funny. Let's step off our soap box and let issues get discussed, rather than attempt to put out narrow ideas and attempt to make them larger than they are by attaching words like "vision" and using nice headers and colors.
And how do I do it? Like everyone else, we have to LIVE our storage issues every day we're online, managing, moving, bumping, swapping, and a whole lot of busywork, nasty, inconvenient, unpleasant busywork, involving lots, factories, and vendors. Royal first-class pain. And you're going to solve it all by proposing flexibility within our inexcusable 750 items LOL? Give it a rest.
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I hope this one was caught early enough to get some thought into it, I agree the jedi thread should never have been stickied. Trying to fix storage by suggesting that 750 items total can be workable is the most frightening thought I've seen put on these boards.
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PS.: It would also be nice if you could explain how you can store 3000 items right now and why you could not do so with my 'narrow-view and opinion'. Perhaps you can make a clueless, narrow-minded, opinionate poster that just wants to do the game good to see the light?
Message Edited by Glzmo on 01-21-200505:07 PM
I think what you're trying to say is, "cant we do my way and you're still hosed on the issue of total storage anyway?"
No, what I think would be a major consensus is that if we're going to have SOE fix storage issues and put their time into it, that we want storage fixed right, in a way that serves most players, not just your narrow decorating needs, but more functional daily needs that we all need fixed. LOL.
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I hope to not make any constructive additions to the inadequacy of what's been proposed in this thread, but in fact I did offer up two things:
Perhaps you could discuss the 'inadequacies'?
1) I demonstrated with a realistic example, the number of items people typically are trying to manage, which has the side benefit of demonstrating how inadequate the so-called solution is that this tread was started with...
An example, yes. But you didn't tell me how you manage to store all this at the current time. With my proposal you would still have the same storage space in the database as you have right now. Do I understand it right that you want more storage than you have now. Or am I missing something? Anyway, my solution is more or less from the roleplayers point of view, who wants to decorate his home and ship appropriately. Storage is secondary, but I am not unwilling to add to the ideas to increase storage convenience like you pointed out next:
2) I offered some real solutions to the problem that would not require a lot of recoding of the server database and schematics which can themselves lead to a lot of instability, by working with existing schemas, by raising stacks and crate limits, ei. the items that go into the houses
As I see it, your 'real solutions' do not clash with my ideas at all. They could be taken as an addition. Seeing that, I do not see why you have to blast the whole thread. Wouldn't it be better to have an option to have all your items in one place instead of several places? Perhaps you wouldn't like it, but others would.
BleuDestiny wrote:
Glzmo wrote: PS.: It would also be nice if you could explain how you can store 3000 items right now and why you could not do so with my 'narrow-view and opinion'. Perhaps you can make a clueless, narrow-minded, opinionate poster that just wants to do the game good to see the light?
I think what you're trying to say is, "cant we do my way and you're still hosed on the issue of total storage anyway?"
You misunderstood, and It was not meant hostile at all. it was a simple question. You yourself stated, that I was clueless, so I asked you to elaborate. You gave me the impression that you thought my proposal created a huge disadvantage compared to the current system. You confused me with your example. Do I understand it right, that you cannot store the amount of items now, that you mentioned in your example? But you said you are managing much more now...how can that be? Again, the above question, which you still didn't care to answer. How can you tell somebody to 'get a clue' and then refuse to help to 'get the clue'? Cooperation on your part would be highly appreciated, especially since you seem to have so much more of a 'clue' than I do.
No, what I think would be a major consensus is that if we're going to have SOE fix storage issues and put their time into it, that we want storage fixed right, in a way that serves most players, not just your narrow decorating needs, but more functional daily needs that we all need fixed. LOL.
Why can't we fix it for both, decorating and storage needs? Why would ideas like increased stack and crate sizes, crates that could store like items and such not work in combination with my ideas? Please elaborate.
They could be consolidated. I'm generally miffed by a state of narrow approaches by peeps, of unfocused ideas that should be, would be better focused around proposed ideas by SOE, who generally dont lead ideas around here or seek our input to what they are willing to do, and who generally let us vascilate in our disenfranchisement. But yes you are right, we could do both. Off to the DWB.
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Wow, alot of hostility. Why dont we start a symposium then? Instead of stating our ideas, lets work out the problems in iron FIRST. Itemized, numbered and ready for suggestions.
Then, you can take each suggestion, along with yours, and put them under each problem. That will start a fresh and productive process toward brainstorming.
Noone commented on my idea of the vendor-like storage device in each house. Would anyone find that useful? I know I have no problems with storage, but that is because I am a master merchant as well.
People have tons of houses for storage... now that they can have a small it, thouse or even a merchant tent with 750 items in here will be more harvestors... The thing with this game is, SOE doesnt care what the houses look like or how long it takes joe to load into a house... they care that their hard drives are almost full because of players items... with 750 items and potentially 9 more harvestors and the such, it creates more stress for the server runners.
Then problem 2 is basically also summed up in the first statement, people could have potentially 9 more harvestors with this, creating server space problems...
My fix: 1 lot = 75 items... take any house, small or large regardless, maintence cost is the same(any way, it would cost more to run a large building any way, what is in the house doesnt matter, if you are realistic) only you could say, put this house on 1-10 lots... it also solves the problem of having guild halls that are annoying for you, you love your guild, but now you basically have no lots... you could have a guild hall on 1 lot, have your guild, and just have 75 items in it. Fixes the server space problem, and allievates many other annoyances for players... both sides win.
For example, you and a group of your friends have their loot trophies on desplay in ONE house. Each person adds items to the house, but it is only owned by one person. How does your system factor into this? Does the owner then have all items placed in the house account towards his 750 item limit? Does this impact who owns the item?
I agree with BlueDestiny that 1500 items (150 items in small house * 10 small houses) is a really really low ball limit. I'm a combat player and I still have to use all of my lots to place small houses in which I have my weapons, food, armor, and loots. I'm also a pilot. This compounds to the issue because I just split my 1500 items with my ground character. Because of the limit to only 3 ships, I have backpacks with my unused ship deeds, components, droids, and weapon stacks. An even bigger problem is with collection of looted components which I use to created RE parts. That in itself takes 4 full houses of sorted items.
The problem isn't just that you have a 150 item limit per house, but you also can't effectively sort/inventory/stack items in your houses.
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I think we've overlooked the factory issue here. If you place nothing but factories with your 10 lots, you could effectively have up to 2000 units of storage...do the math I realize that there's a maintenance differential compared to housing, but if it's really space you're after - and money isn't an object - then factories are the exception to the storage rule at 100 items per lot minimum. (that's 100 in the input hopper, and 100 factory-run goods in the output hopper)
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For example, you and a group of your friends have their loot trophies on desplay in ONE house. Each person adds items to the house, but it is only owned by one person. How does your system factor into this? Does the owner then have all items placed in the house account towards his 750 item limit? Does this impact who owns the item?
I was thinking of the same type of thing as I was reading thru the posts.
I was imagining it being for PA's only and for players on Admin on the hall. The problem I was thinking about is how do take care of "getting your lots back". Say you decide to leave the Guild or SWG all together. This could be a real issue to work thru. I would love to see it, I just don't see how a system could be put in place to take of both the owner and the donater if they part ways, too many griefing opportunities for one or the other side.
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I think we've overlooked the factory issue here. If you place nothing but factories with your 10 lots, you could effectively have up to 2000 units of storage...do the math I realize that there's a maintenance differential compared to housing, but if it's really space you're after - and money isn't an object - then factories are the exception to the storage rule at 100 items per lot minimum. (that's 100 in the input hopper, and 100 factory-run goods in the output hopper)
LOL - So your solution is to live in Factories? And what about the fact that crafters have to actually use them for, guess what? Production!
I don't think when I saw the theme of the game and heard about player cities, and the game experience around houses, and cantinas, and structures of various kinds that they promoted that we will need to use our 10 lots on factories for storage.
I think you're just pointing out ways to make ends meet until things get FIXED, but having our lots dedicated to factories for storage and impeding production is not a FIX, its a work-around until the design overall is fixed.
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Still do not agree that keeping total storage overall the same is a valid solution or proposal. The feedback to SOE's "what would you change?" question gives a resounding call to SOE to increase storage. The examples I gave above, minus the resource stacks part (1,200 items) still leaves a need for 1,800 units of storage per character on average. I'd bump that up to 2,000 just to have some flexibility (200 per lot) including fixing crates and resource stack enhancements. Otherwise, its no improvement being suggested other than to solve decorating challenges, with no tangible and functional improvement.
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Still do not agree that keeping total storage overall the same is a valid solution or proposal. The feedback to SOE's "what would you change?" question gives a resounding call to SOE to increase storage. The examples I gave above, minus the resource stacks part (1,200 items) still leaves a need for 1,800 units of storage per character on average. I'd bump that up to 2,000 just to have some flexibility (200 per lot) including fixing crates and resource stack enhancements. Otherwise, its no improvement being suggested other than to solve decorating challenges, with no tangible and functional improvement.
Perhaps. But you are forgetting that this is a Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A House or ship with one fully decorated room and loads of emty rooms just hampers the experience of roleplaying living in one.
Yes, I can see the crafter's needs, but this post isn't about increasing total storage amount, it is about solving the problem of not being able to fully decorate a house and/or ship as well as remove many unneeded 'storage structures' from the gaming world while keeping the current limits intact, considering the developers' claims that the current maximum is the most a character can have due to database limitations.
It might be wise to create a seperate thread on how to get rid of current 'database limitations' to be able to accomodate increased item storage per character.
I realize that there's a maintenance differential compared to housing, but if it's really space you're after - and money isn't an object - then factories are the exception to the storage rule at 100 items per lot minimum. (that's 100 in the input hopper, and 100 factory-run goods in the output hopper)
