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Re: Pikeman special attack damage and delay modifiers - 6/26/04
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Bump and
 
/sign for sticky

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This is well put together but I'm hesitant to sticky it because I'm not sure if these are the truely official numbers or not.
 
Thanks for the work


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Fencer's forum has a player-made thing stickied...

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Gunman21 wrote:
This is well put together but I'm hesitant to sticky it because I'm not sure if these are the truely official numbers or not.
Thanks for the work


My pleasure.

Is it actually possible to get the official numbers, or at least be informed if something is wrong? It was my understanding that the devs won't give numbers out, but if something's wrong I'd like to know about it as well.

Doesn't matter if you sticky the post or not, as long as you don't mind that it's going to get bumped every time someone mentions that awful "pikeman damage calculator"

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06-30-2004 02:43 PM  

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Has there been any data been ran on combos. For instance if you use hit 2 than hit 3 it seems to be faster speed then just using hit 3 twice or hit 2 twice in a row. Anther example is sweep successful knockdown and hit 3 this does more damage 3.0. From what I have seen this holds true in fitting npc. In PVP the rule change a grate deal I would have to say this data does not hold true. But then again I shy away from PVP do to master Pikeman and Master CH are nowhere near a good combo for PVP. But give me most npc and I will tare them up.
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cadof wrote:
Has there been any data been ran on combos. For instance if you use hit 2 than hit 3 it seems to be faster speed then just using hit 3 twice or hit 2 twice in a row. Anther example is sweep successful knockdown and hit 3 this does more damage 3.0. From what I have seen this holds true in fitting npc. In PVP the rule change a grate deal I would have to say this data does not hold true. But then again I shy away from PVP do to master Pikeman and Master CH are nowhere near a good combo for PVP. But give me most npc and I will tare them up.

Just a guess, but I suspect any time difference you're seeing with combos is due to the length of the animations themselves. Though something along the lines of combos was mentioned a long time ago as being considered, it never got into the game.

Keep in mind that the numbers here represent nothing but the ratio of the special to the baseline autoattack. Hit3's 4x damage doesn't mean you'll do four times the damage of your weapon, just that you'll do four times the damage compared to autoattacking. The damage bonus from attacking a KD'd enemy and the damage penalty in PvP both apply to every attack, so the ratios remain the same.

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The benifit for pikeman is that we have a low damage modifier, but a high base damage.  remeber, those crazy devs never liked the idea of special moves being spammed.  they thought it should be auto-attacking with occasional specials.
 
IN a pre +250 unarmed damage world, pikeman had a higher base damage than teras kasi AND fencer, and a master pikeman will auto attack at about 1.0.  So while auto attacking we would outdamage teras kasi and fencer, but even out when we do special moves.
IN theory of course.
 
But TKA got +250 Unarmed damage, and acklay bones blew that out of the **edit**ing water.  and we're just left in the wake of the TKA boost.
 
Plus, no one auto attacks anyway, that certainly dosen't help either.
 
But some time you guys should just auto attack a non-high end mob.  it's kinda impressive.
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I finally gave in, made a master brawler, and tested lunge2. The original post has been edited to include it, so I'm bumping for the hell of it.

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I always thought our action attack sucked. thought it was 3.0mod, 2.5 is horrendous!
 
 
I kill plenty of things with auto attack btw.  (either when I am not buffed or extremely bored...lol)
 

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hit 2 stuns

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Thank you very nice and very handy.
 
 

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Odin20 wrote:
hit 2 stuns


Oops, that it does. Thanks, I've corrected the original post.

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I noticed as I spammed that and only that on a squill...then tried to remember if I'd done a stun attack..lol tried it a few more times to confirm..

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Check this out:
 
 
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

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la1fan wrote:
Check this out:
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php


That dps info is a little outdated sometimes. I swear, people post that link as if it were scripture.

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