Got tired of reading, but you are all assuming that they are actually using a random number generator. Ever stop to think that if that was the case someone could easily never get a disk and so they have the system set up to be not totally random. We are not talking about the lottery or some DOD code, we are talking about a entertainment product.
Thanks a lot for spending the time and posting your findings.
You stated very clearly at the beginning that this is all just fly-by-the-seat guess-work and opinions.
Any monitoring of this system is helpful.
Even if no pattern can be found, then your findings prove to be helpful in that they would prove no noticable pattern.
A person conducting such an experiment generally must believe in some kind of system. Otherwise their will to continue would suffer, and they would have no foundations to build any theories upon.
Everyone's discussions back and forth are great, just keep the nastiness out... eesh.
It's personalities and ego-driven feuds like this that make religion and philosophy the stage for wars.
Let's have a peaceful RE-ing discussion.
Again, thanks for posting.
My guildmate SW has found two disks so far, I'll check to see which ones they were again (I cannot remember right now).
I can at least help to see if Kauri truly has any "hard to find" parts.
I have been wondering if FS Luck helps in space loot at all.
Even if it is just in the amounts of credits in Space. I know it works on ground for credits.
LOL whatever. All I can say is I am confident that I am correct, and thats good enough for me.
PS. I wouldnt tie the seed for the random number generator into anything the player can effect, its just stupid. That means inventory, location, time, money, ect.
Message Edited by Marzuk147 on 11-07-200412:15 AM
Dont bother arguing with him , he never lets thing go even if he is proven wrong , then resorts to flames and name calling. He loves to try to use facts , which are unproven.
it is true that it is very difficult, perhaps impossible, for computers as we know them now to generate truly random numbers. however, they can come so close that it is only a technicality. the number sets generated by modern randomization algorithms are so minimally biased that you would not be able to prove their bias without a powerful statistical analysis of a large data set.
with the very small sample size seen here, and without specific, prospective data sets, it is impossible to conclude whether the drops are random or follow some pattern. what we have here is anecdotal information, a type of data which is considered worse than inaccurate.
besides, does it really matter? we are all going to retro engineer like crazy to try and get schematics. if you can swing the force luck, it might help. otherwise, just RE it!
...but the bra-on-your-head idea is a great ice breaker for your blind date.
oh, one other thing: if you spent the time you were writing these long involved posts crafting ship parts instead, you would not need a factory.
Message Edited by neutrineaux on 11-08-200406:00 PM
no, wait, i saw this game... "pong" i think it was called. it was really easy to understand! maybe you could make swg more like pong! think of it! fast paced action! iconic characters! MORE FUN!
Dont bother arguing with him , he never lets thing go even if he is proven wrong , then resorts to flames and name calling. He loves to try to use facts , which are unproven.
Hmmmm. *checks cage to see if he rattled it* Nope I didnt rattle the cage. *Tosses a banana in* there you go monkey boy. Now go back to the counterstrike erm jedi forums where you belong.
Actually since I havent gone to any of your threads in the other forums to post harrassing messages to you then it is someone else who cant let something go. I wonder who that could be?
Tyranus
Yoda: "When I die, the last of the Jedi, you will be!" Luke: "Really? what about those 50,000 Jedi Masters outside comparing Saber Size?" Yoda: "Sorry I am, My Bad it is"
Dont bother arguing with him , he never lets thing go even if he is proven wrong , then resorts to flames and name calling. He loves to try to use facts , which are unproven.
Hmmmm. *checks cage to see if he rattled it* Nope I didnt rattle the cage. *Tosses a banana in* there you go monkey boy. Now go back to the counterstrike erm jedi forums where you belong.
Actually since I havent gone to any of your threads in the other forums to post harrassing messages to you then it is someone else who cant let something go. I wonder who that could be?
Tyranus
I am not following you around , I posted this long before my comment on the other thread read the time moron. I am a shipwright I have 3 complete schematics for firespray and bunch multiples. There no pattern , no voodoo , I didnt keep parts in my inventory, I didnt spin around in a circle 3 times before I RE'd it I went and just RE alot of stuff. So dont think I am following you around I am agreeing with other gentleman that you cannot take deal with the fact you dont have a case. I sat for 3 hours at the bazaar Reing and got parts.
The fact I have built and sold 2 Firespray so far , just from SW alone , I have made 112 million credits I think I am very successful SW. I have made a good name for myself and I spend time with my customers who have alwayss come back . I can careless what you think about me or IF i am posting in your thread OMG...... or even if you 1 star me since well unlike you I dont care about the star system.
Got tired of reading, but you are all assuming that they are actually using a random number generator. Ever stop to think that if that was the case someone could easily never get a disk and so they have the system set up to be not totally random. We are not talking about the lottery or some DOD code, we are talking about a entertainment product.
There are so many different ways to make this a random even such as causeing RE'ing at certain random times. Randomness tied to certain component stats. It seems everyone thinks the random event must be the player making an attempt at Re'ing something.
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Dont bother arguing with him , he never lets thing go even if he is proven wrong , then resorts to flames and name calling. He loves to try to use facts , which are unproven.
Hmmmm. *checks cage to see if he rattled it* Nope I didnt rattle the cage. *Tosses a banana in* there you go monkey boy. Now go back to the counterstrike erm jedi forums where you belong.
Actually since I havent gone to any of your threads in the other forums to post harrassing messages to you then it is someone else who cant let something go. I wonder who that could be?
Tyranus
I am not following you around , I posted this long before my comment on the other thread read the time moron. I am a shipwright I have 3 complete schematics for firespray and bunch multiples. There no pattern , no voodoo , I didnt keep parts in my inventory, I didnt spin around in a circle 3 times before I RE'd it I went and just RE alot of stuff. So dont think I am following you around I am agreeing with other gentleman that you cannot take deal with the fact you dont have a case. I sat for 3 hours at the bazaar Reing and got parts.
The fact I have built and sold 2 Firespray so far , just from SW alone , I have made 112 million credits I think I am very successful SW. I have made a good name for myself and I spend time with my customers who have alwayss come back . I can careless what you think about me or IF i am posting in your thread OMG...... or even if you 1 star me since well unlike you I dont care about the star system.
Message Edited by fatgato on 11-09-200412:51 AM
Well first I could care less about you. If you hate me or my posts so much why torture yourself? I cant let something go? You obviously cant let something as its like your going out of your way to annoy me. Not to mention you supposedly read all my past posts? Wow thats really not letting something go there. Want some addresses for good therapists in your area?
Second I have 3 schems too. I also have enough doubles for 3 more with 3 more 6/8 and follow that with another 4 more when I have four 3/8 and four 6/8 again.
Since you brought up money I will also. I believe we are up too 500 mill or close to it.
Third and this will be surprising to you and others. But if you dont flame me I wont flame you. If you were serious about checking my past posts then you will notice that I only get upset and flame people after (I repeat "after") they flame me. And in fact if people talk and not insult me to get their views across I have been, more times then naught, easy to change my mind if they were right. But if you think I am going to change my mind about a certain topic because a Llama monkey boy like you or marzuk flamed me? Wow your dumber then I thought. And quite naive.
Its a concept I am sure someone like you and sizzlechest arent familiar with. Its called a discussion. In a discussion, people talk calmly and share their views. Maybe one or some change their views. You need to go back and get some social skills.
I read your post history also. Everytime anyone even nicely says they disagree with you, you quickly start insulting them. Really sad. Ever think to be nice? Oh wait. You cant. The shock of being nice might kill you.
Bye.
Tyranus
Yoda: "When I die, the last of the Jedi, you will be!" Luke: "Really? what about those 50,000 Jedi Masters outside comparing Saber Size?" Yoda: "Sorry I am, My Bad it is"
I personally find this thread somewhat humorous. I've spent quite a few hours RE'ing components and have gotten two components so far. I think you guys are giving the dev's far too much credit for coming up with some sort of "secret squirrel" system of generating a random number. It reminds me of all the ideas everyone had when they were first trying to figure out the original jedi system. Then later we found out that it was just a matter of mastering professions. I myself just believe they've assigned a low probability to the chance of ANY item producing a fragment.
Dont bother arguing with him , he never lets thing go even if he is proven wrong , then resorts to flames and name calling. He loves to try to use facts , which are unproven.
Hmmmm. *checks cage to see if he rattled it* Nope I didnt rattle the cage. *Tosses a banana in* there you go monkey boy. Now go back to the counterstrike erm jedi forums where you belong.
Actually since I havent gone to any of your threads in the other forums to post harrassing messages to you then it is someone else who cant let something go. I wonder who that could be?
Tyranus
I am not following you around , I posted this long before my comment on the other thread read the time moron. I am a shipwright I have 3 complete schematics for firespray and bunch multiples. There no pattern , no voodoo , I didnt keep parts in my inventory, I didnt spin around in a circle 3 times before I RE'd it I went and just RE alot of stuff. So dont think I am following you around I am agreeing with other gentleman that you cannot take deal with the fact you dont have a case. I sat for 3 hours at the bazaar Reing and got parts.
The fact I have built and sold 2 Firespray so far , just from SW alone , I have made 112 million credits I think I am very successful SW. I have made a good name for myself and I spend time with my customers who have alwayss come back . I can careless what you think about me or IF i am posting in your thread OMG...... or even if you 1 star me since well unlike you I dont care about the star system.
Message Edited by fatgato on 11-09-200412:51 AM
Well first I could care less about you. If you hate me or my posts so much why torture yourself? I cant let something go? You obviously cant let something as its like your going out of your way to annoy me. Not to mention you supposedly read all my past posts? Wow thats really not letting something go there. Want some addresses for good therapists in your area?
Second I have 3 schems too. I also have enough doubles for 3 more with 3 more 6/8 and follow that with another 4 more when I have four 3/8 and four 6/8 again.
Since you brought up money I will also. I believe we are up too 500 mill or close to it.
Third and this will be surprising to you and others. But if you dont flame me I wont flame you. If you were serious about checking my past posts then you will notice that I only get upset and flame people after (I repeat "after") they flame me. And in fact if people talk and not insult me to get their views across I have been, more times then naught, easy to change my mind if they were right. But if you think I am going to change my mind about a certain topic because a Llama monkey boy like you or marzuk flamed me? Wow your dumber then I thought. And quite naive.
Its a concept I am sure someone like you and sizzlechest arent familiar with. Its called a discussion. In a discussion, people talk calmly and share their views. Maybe one or some change their views. You need to go back and get some social skills.
I read your post history also. Everytime anyone even nicely says they disagree with you, you quickly start insulting them. Really sad. Ever think to be nice? Oh wait. You cant. The shock of being nice might kill you.
Bye.
Tyranus
You have a HABIT of blowing up and then resorting to name calling after some disagrees with your point of view, Calmly? Look at the snide comment you made early in the thread, the I got Schematic and you dont nyah mentality. Look at the Posts in the jedi forum about FIXING them when some says they dont agree about what you posted on you go and explode , you can never let something go , you always think that your point of view is the only point of view.
Ummm sure no I dont go out and insult people all the time, sure I do not like alot of BH and more than happy to laugh at many of them. I admit the fact I love it when a BH bites it , but I NEVER am rude to them in game , I tell them good fight and such , now if they go and cop and attitude np /ignore. If I die to a BH , I will tell them it was good fight next time I will get them.
Thing is you have your head so firmly shoved up your rectum that you cannot see that , your not always right your point of view isnt the only one. So get off your soapbox and deal with it , because the thing is you arent always right, heck I know I am not always right. I at least admit it , you on the other hand cannot accept that fact.
You have a HABIT of blowing up and then resorting to name calling after some disagrees with your point of view, Calmly? Look at the snide comment you made early in the thread, the I got Schematic and you dont nyah mentality. Look at the Posts in the jedi forum about FIXING them when some says they dont agree about what you posted on you go and explode , you can never let something go , you always think that your point of view is the only point of view.
Ummm sure no I dont go out and insult people all the time, sure I do not like alot of BH and more than happy to laugh at many of them. I admit the fact I love it when a BH bites it , but I NEVER am rude to them in game , I tell them good fight and such , now if they go and cop and attitude np /ignore. If I die to a BH , I will tell them it was good fight next time I will get them.
Thing is you have your head so firmly shoved up your rectum that you cannot see that , your not always right your point of view isnt the only one. So get off your soapbox and deal with it , because the thing is you arent always right, heck I know I am not always right. I at least admit it , you on the other hand cannot accept that fact.
Well 'nuff said
I love how you lie on people. Its just so bold. Your about the biggest hypocrite in the world. You tell me I wont let something go yet you want the last word so bad you wont shut up. Your a waste of forum space imo. Offering neither witty banter or decent conversation. Your a flamethrower and nothing more.
Since getting the last word in is so important to you I will let you. Go ahead and type yet another flamefilled response as I know you will and I will from here on out ignore you. This way you get the last word in and I will be rid of you as I will no longer see your posts.
And for the last and final time, I only blow up and resort to name calling (if its so bad how come you do it so often?) when someone flames me first. When someone offers a clear non-flamed post I have a nice conversation without flames. When the person acts much like the counterstrike player, you act as, then I go down to their level so as to be fair. It seems to be all you little script kiddies can relate too. Since your having such a hard time understanding this I strongly suggest you get someone with an education above the 6th grade to help you to understand this. Just get the kid to read this paragraph and explain it to you. Ok skippy?
Now get your last word in and we will consider this rivalry you started at an end clear? You dont reply to anymore of my posts and I wont ever reply to any of yours in the future ok? Its called a compromise. If your such a big man then I am sure you can accept this proposal. Live is a chess game, sport. This is a critical move. What you do next will show beyond a doubt what your truly about.
Tyranus
Yoda: "When I die, the last of the Jedi, you will be!" Luke: "Really? what about those 50,000 Jedi Masters outside comparing Saber Size?" Yoda: "Sorry I am, My Bad it is"
Marzuk147 wrote: Just a bunch of crap from someone who does not understand probability.
Want firespray parts? RE lots of stuff, nuff said.
I am not talking about probability. I am talking about chaos.
Case in point. Since my last post, in this thread, I have found 5 disks. All 5 were disk 2/8. Random? Look at the odds. First of getting 5 disks. Then of getting all 5 disks the same. Lets focus on getting 5 disks all the same. Each chance is 1 in 8. But as you go on the odds change to getting the same disk. Like rolling an 8 sided dice 5 times and getting all "2"s. I would love for someone do the math on this to figure the exact odds of this. I think that last disk being 2/8 was somewhere around 30,000 to 1 odds.
If I am not wrong the odds to get only 5 discs and all are number 2 - when the chances to get 1-8 are all the same would be: 1 : 17.000.000
And my experience with swg tells me that the random loot table does not work well. I have got 32 color crystals, 17 of them I got in 3h, the others in 4 weeks. And so far I only got 2 blue rug adhesives but I got them within 10 minutes.
The best tip someone can give is, if you start to loot something good, dont stop doing missions, or fighting if you can.
All of your statements are based on coincidental occurances, and you have really no information to back any of it up, and it all sounds like pure garbage.
Here let me help you:
if x < .005 then firespray_schem = yes
Thats about all the devs have to do to code this using a random method. Are you honestly going to tell me, that with the amount of debugging devs have to do, that it is programmed to interact with what you have in your inventory, how much of it is there, how many specific parts you already have ect? I think not. Its highly Illogical.
I know that it is not hard to code, but who knows what the devs coded. The random thing is not working very random, it has to do with time or some other variables, know one knows which variables, but I would consider it as proved that if the variables are with you, you get better loot. I have heard this from friends and experienced self. You can have weeks with no loot and then a few hours with clothing attachments and other things, and then again silence. Maybe everyone is wrong, but this happens to a lot of ppl.
