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Jedi Theory - An Approach Using Common Sense
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dopkick
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The point of a game is to provide an enjoyable experience for the user.  If the experience stops being enjoyable the user stops playing the game.  Since a monthly fee is being charged for SWG the developers will not want the users to stop having an enjoyable experience as then they will stop playing, resulting in less revenue.  Make sense?  Good, it should.

This SIMPLE concept dispels all the theories that you have to talk to every NPC in the game 5,232,249 times or find a few randomly spawning, rediculously rare NPCs.  Why is this?  Because the aformentioned methods are simply NOT FUN.  They are incredibly boring and tedious and are really not much of an "adventure."  If this is, in fact, the method for unlocking a force sensitive slot then it's an incredibly boring path.  Boredom will lead to less revenue, as I previously mentioned.

The idea of being able to become a jedi is appealing to MANY people.  Therefore, the developers are not going to limit being able to become one to the select few people immune to the effects of total boredom and who don't place a value on their time.  If this the case a major selling point of the game to the masses, who the developers really want to target as there is loads more money there than a few niche gamers, is eliminated.  It doesn't take a degree in marketing to realize this is a bad business decision.

It has been stated that the path to becoming a jedi will be hard.  Hard, but not boring.  The NPC theories are, quite simply, boring.  Hard is more likely to be the killing of various tough creatures, talking to a few NPCs, exploring the planets, etc.  Hard is NOT covering every square inch of the map talking to everything in site.  The only way that is hard is in the fact that it would be hard to not experience a mental breakdown in doing so.

What everyone has to keep in mind is the overall goal of this game and overall goal of any business venture.  Sony is in this to make money, plain and simple, just like ANY business.  The way they are going to be able to make money is, like I previously stated, by providing an enjoyable gaming experience where one can achieve novelties such as jedi without straying far from an enjoyably experience the whole time.

It's really THAT simple.

08-07-2003 12:38 PM  

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Umm...okay. But you still didn't give a "theory". You're just saying that it is something that will be "fun". Your topic is sorta misleading.

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I'd agree with you on some points.

I DO want to unlock the FS slot. I DO want to be come a Jedi. I DID buy the game because this was my goal.

However I am also starting to get bored with the game, because I have no clue how to go about reaching my goal. Once I unlock a FS slot, THEN my fun and enjoyment will truely begin. Until that time, I'm only grinding away in search of the FS slot.

I don't know how many more months I will play, blindly hoping to open up the FS slot. I'd like to think that eventually I'll have a chance, and your "simple theory" gives hope to that.

However I'm starting to have a sinking feeling that I will end up cancelling the game having never unlocked a FS slot. (
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"Hard is more likely to be the killing of various tough creatures, talking to a few NPCs, exploring the planets, etc."

What you should be able to realize from this is the path to becoming a jedi will most likely be leading a normal life.  Instead of doing these outrageous tasks simply just play the game and if you are lucky enough you may become a jedi.  While it is entirely possible that there will be a few things you can do to increase the chance of becoming a jedi I HIGHLY doubt it will be something as redundant as talking to every NPC in the game.

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"However I'm starting to have a sinking feeling that I will end up cancelling the game having never unlocked a FS slot."

This is EXACTLY what they will be trying to avoid.

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dopkick

 

Becoming force sensitive isnt the selling point of this game. They state clearly that not all characters will be able to unlock the FSCS and that it will be rare/very hard.

 

The selling point of this game are the tons of other things you can do in this game.. they dont care if the process to become FS is boring/hard/fusterating.... because they know that that is not what is selling the game.. making a character, progressing through the Star Wars wold, conversing and interacting with other people, running missions, etc etc etc. are the selling points..

 

becoming a jedi is just an added perk.

 

my 2 cents

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See my previous reply and the person's comment to which I replied.

Also, hard is NOT the same thing as boring.

There are a significant number of people who find the concept of being able to become a jedi a strong selling point in the game and a reason to continue playing.  Eventually, people will become bored with the game once they've maxed out their character and have fought the various tough creatures from all the planets.  There is a decent amount to do in this game but once you take a critical look there really isn't that much.  A decent amount? Yes.  A ton?  Far from it.

Missions are incredibly redundant.  You can only do so many missions before they start to become boring.

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"However I'm starting to have a sinking feeling that I will end up cancelling the game having never unlocked a FS slot"

 

LOL go for it.. they have stated several times that not all people will unlock it. I read somethign somewhere where marketing was a little misleading by even mentioning jedi on the box.. being a jedi is not an integral part of this game. NO ONE could become a jedi EVER and the game would still run as the devs had wanted it.. like i said.. jedi.. and FS caracters are an added perk.. its the bonus to those who play this game a lot and enjoy it.. its not supposed to be achievable by all.. this isnt knights of the old republic. They dont give a crap if no more than 50 ppl on all servers out of the however many people own the game make FS jedi and tahts it!

I think theyd rather have a few people leave because they piss and whine cause they cant be jedi (and miss out on all the other wonderful thigns this game has to offer) than loose the mass population because every other person is now a jedi since they had to make the system so easy that everyone could achieve it without fustration before they would cancel their account..

 

think man.. what your saying makes no sense whatsoever.. anyone who bought this game just to become a jedi is stupid and should return the game... because thats not the point/purpose of this game.

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im not saying its missions per say.. i have no clue what unlocks FSCS... but i know they wont make it "easy" or "entertaining" to become one simply out of fear that they will lose customers.. It happens with every MMORPG.. ppl get bored.. they cancel.. the way to ENTERTAIN people is to bring in missions.. constant missions.. your point here only prolongs the boredom for a couple other months till gamers do all they can do as a jedi and then thats it.

 

its all about the missions.. the story.. and the involvement wtih other character.. not achieving lvls/characters..

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You fail to completely understand my point.

Yes, very few people will obtain the FS slot.  Yes, it will ber very hard to do so.  Yes, once you become a jedi it will be a hard life.

However, that doesn't mean it should be incredibly boring to do so.

The possibility of being able to one day become a jedi just through normal play is enough to probably keep many people playing the game for at least a few more months.  Even if the chance is slim it's still there and that will keep people playing.  After all, it's the fantasy that people want more than the actual goal.

If there is no possibility of becoming a jedi through normal gameplay then the fantasy dies.  People won't aspire to become jedis if it requires going about some incredibly boring method.

I sincerely think you underestimate the number of people who would like to become jedis.  The jedi is the "cool" and "unique" thing in Star Wars.

What you also have to understand is that the living of the Star Wars lifestyle only goes so far.  Not many people want to hang out in a virtual cantina as opposed to going to a real bar or going to see a movie.

Also, why are you so critical of how other people play the game?  Maybe some people laugh at you for your ideas.  Maybe someone did buy the game to try to become a jedi.  How is this any different from someone aspiring to become a master architect?

Until you have a more open mind about the concept and are less critical about how others want to play the game all subsequent posts by you will be deemed irrelevant.

08-07-2003 01:09 PM  

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Correct, there is only so much the game can offer before people will become bored with it.  There is no way around this.  This is why new games are released and people eventually stop playing old games and migrate to new ones.
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I'm not being critical.. im just pointing out the fact that I dont think the devs really care if people leave because they're fusterated they cant achieve FS. I understand your point.. I just doubt they care.

 

And i read somewhere, if you really wish me to i will look into it when i get home to provide a quote.. but somewhere someone stated that not everyone will become a jedi and if you buy this game simply because you want to become a jedi you will most likely be dissapointed.

 

It was in a post somewhere where someone was complaining because on the box it said something about becoming a jedi.. and they were complaining about how hard/impossible it seams (basically there isnt a clear cut path to it such as any other profession in the game). The response was basically what you see above.

 

"However, that doesn't mean it should be incredibly boring to do so."

 

I think the point of the Devs was that you shoudlnt "try" to unlock FS. Hence them saying that even people who unlock it will likely not even know how they did so! It is an added perk to people who play the game a lot.. they say hard core gamers will get it faster.. meaning people who enjoy the game more will reap its rewards.

 

The process isnt boring right now.. because there is no process.. if your playing the game trying to become a jedi your wasting your time in my opinion.. since there is no clear defined path to jedi-dom...

 

MY POINT is.. just play the game and have fun.. enjoy it for what it is.. if you become FS.. awesome.. if not.. well it sucks.. but this isnt knights of the old republic and you shoudlnt expect to be a jedi.

 

"Until you have a more open mind about the concept and are less critical about how others want to play the game all subsequent posts by you will be deemed irrelevant."

 

-I dont care how other people play the game.. i have an open mind.. id idnt flame you and call you stupid.. i said taht someone who bought a game, taht doesnt advertise or guarentee that you will become a jedi, simply because they want to become a jedi is stupid... its like buying a green pen with the hopes that it will write in red.. I have an open mind and i hear waht your saying.. your the one who seems to be dismissing my opinions/ideas as "irrevelant".

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"I'm not being critical.. "

Yes you were.  You're called on the carpet now you deny.  Classic lack of responsibility, I love it.

"I dont care how other people play the game.. i have an open mind.. "

Wrong, you laughed at someone who might cancel his account because he might not eventually be able to become a jedi.

It's interesting how your point is all of a sudden so akin to mine.  Getting caught up in lies and hypocrisy does a lot to damage your reputation and WILL render you and your opinions irrelevant.  So far, you're well on the path to that.

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Wow this gets my vote for most pointless....

FUN!?!

How subjective can you get????

Just because you don't think something is fun does that mean I need to agree with you and allll of sony needs to as well????

Actually the did do in a small way at least, some marketing on the idea of being a Jedi. With that said it has been WELL NOTED that the path will be very difficult and VERY LIMITED....but hey lets go all have a lot of fun and do silly fun things and watch us all get.........NOTHING!!!

 

heres to letting your brain run untethered...

 

 

 

You all laugh at me cuz I am different. I laugh at you cuz you're all the same
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dropkick.. this will be my last post cause im gettin tired of this.. i laughed because the guy is saying hes going to cancel because he cant get jedi.. tahts stupid and deserves to be laughed at.. being close minded means that you believe inw hat you believe and dont give any ideas a chance.. how is laughing at someones decision not accepting ones believe or being OPEN to it?? eh??

 

And my point has always been what it is.. i dont think the devs give a crap if you find trying to unlock FSCS boring.. plain and simple..  anywho.. im done with this.. nothign constructive coming out of it. Lates.

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