One good thing about this quote is that, by the sounds of it, I'd say you can't go backwards.  By saying "checking off items", it sort of implies that one can only make forward progess.

I'd have to disagree with the people who have suggested that it's a random list generated for every player.  If it was like that then luck would be the key determining factor, which goes against other dev quotes.  I'd say it's more of an all-encompasing list of accomplishments that one must complete a certian percentage of. 

The majority of it would probably be common stuff that everyone would be bound to do all or most of eventually (visit planets/cities, static quests, theme parks, etc...).  After that a smaller percentage would probably be more exotic stuff (visiting certian POIs on planets, monthly quests, dynamic quests, badges, etc...).  Then finally there would probably be a small percentage of profession-specific achievments (craft these items, wield these weapons, tame these creatures, kill these creatures, etc...).

Applying some random percents to these, I'd say it'd be something like 50% common accomplishments, 30% exotic accomplishments, and 20% profession-specific accomplishments; and you'd need about 80-90% to open the slot. 

Note that when I say 20% profession-specific, I'm referring to all accomplishments for all professions, so one would never get the full 20% from that category unless they played every single profession.  However, this would also allow people who switch professions to retain previous accomplishments, as well as allow for profession accomplishments that may overlap (many classes would be capable of killing certian creatures, and many could not).

Also not that this is all conjecture, just what I would logically assume it to be like if it truely is a simple checklist ^ ^

Saeros, if you haven't already, you may want to read one page back - my post at the bottom, in multicolors.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=36937&highlight=#M36937

I've started to speculate on exactly what the checkpoints are, based on other information they've given us, that people somehow don't bring up very often.

(Question: Should I just repost it as a separate thread? I hate having two variations of a thread running around, since people always comment on both, but I'm curious what people think of my ideas, and really don't want to roll over Holo's statement in this one.... even though they are connected.)

I'll be going to bed soon-ish, and won't be here again until way late afternoon, so if there's anything that's to be addressed to me, either do it now or forever hold your peace! (Either that, or don't say anything about me not posting for a few hours. I'll be asleep!)

Hmm, interesting theory, very similiar to what I just posted actually even down to the three sections each more advanced than the last ^ ^

One thing though, I think that in Raph's four quotes he was actually being more literal.  A lot of those quotes were simply replies to questions and probably typed out rather quickly rather than being riddles.  Most of these devs are good programmers, but usually not exactly the greatest linguists specialized in word games.

I also don't know of anything in the game where you can fail and not be able to reattempt (except crafting critical failures, evil things stealing my components...!).  Unless the failure is still logged somewhere in your character file, but if that determined one's path it'd end up getting rather complex and incredibly hard to test without the help of many many players.

I believe that the accomplishments one must... accomplish, are more straightforward things like in both of our lists.  No one can really claim to have done all of these things yet in the short amount of time the game has been out.  Look at how long it took for players to discover the Bounty Hunter spawn for the Mark of Intellect, it's very possible that that quest had been in the game since launch and was simply never found by anyone who thought to tell others about it.  There could be over a hundred badges in the game currently if they're all incredibly rare dynamic spawns like that.

Of course, if that were the case and badges were some one of the main objectives in the checklist, I would find SOE's lack of originality... disturbing.  ^ ^

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Saeros wrote:

I also don't know of anything in the game where you can fail and not be able to reattempt ...  Unless the failure is still logged somewhere in your character file, but if that determined one's path it'd end up getting rather complex and incredibly hard to test without the help of many many players.

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I thought that was part of the idea - a system that couldn't be tested easily, and figured out easily. If this is the path, they're right, you may not know how it was done. But you did it nonetheless.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. See ya'll in a few hours.

Er, I was referring to hard to test for the developers ^ ^

Something like that would need to be tested in great deal to ensure they don't corrupt everyone's ability to open the FS slot.  A small bug here or there could be devastating in that case, and might not be at all apparent with just a small group of internal testers.

Ah-hah!

But you note - when the original question was asked that Holo responded to, all Holo said was that it was in game, not that it was 100% bug-free.

Anyway, really, bedtime.

As far as music playing when you do things, No it does NOT only happen for day/night. I know the type of music it plays and it doesn't happen ALL the time. In fact I went to dathomir a few days ago which I hadn't done in a while, and oddly enough Naboo eerie music like 3 diff kinds played for 45 minutes on and off as I was running around. I was really taken aback, I'd never heard music play that much/long and it just kept playing different things then repeating the same ones, was really odd.

I've had music play when going to certain POIs, I've had it play when completing certain missions and NOT others (in terms of npcs with (I)s above their heads). I tend to get it more on worlds I haven't been on lately or explored as much, coincidence? Who knows, but I've done a large amount in this game and will continue to do more, until.....such a time comes for me =)

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BadLiver11 wrote:

"Notice he said "checking off items" and not "gaining xp".  Just a random thought "

VeritasJedi, That's a very good point. But it could also mean they are checking off items on the big list of xp bars they have to complete. Just a random thought

From what I can tell of Holo, he knew what he was saying when he said this. It probably wasn't a slip. He wanted us to see this...

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Saeros wrote:

I also don't know of anything in the game where you can fail and not be able to reattempt ...  Unless the failure is still logged somewhere in your character file, but if that determined one's path it'd end up getting rather complex and incredibly hard to test without the help of many many players.

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I thought that was part of the idea - a system that couldn't be tested easily, and figured out easily. If this is the path, they're right, you may not know how it was done. But you did it nonetheless.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. See ya'll in a few hours.

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I personally dont think its as hard as getting bad marks that set you back from FS or good marks that get you closer.  If this was the case no one would know what a bad mark was and could theoreticly say no one would ever get the slot.  Plus the devs would have a really hard time determining a timeline.

Take into account they can guestimate how long its going to take.  You really cant guess if someone is going to do the right things or the wrong things.  They have to be "certain things" that arent right or wrong that have to be done before you can determine how long something is going to take. 

I dont think its going to be as hard ( or mysterious ) as we all may think.  I dont think they are going to keep jedi rare based on the FS slot alone, they will keep it rare with permadeath and the extremely hard lifestyle of a Jedi in this time frame.

I highly disagree with anyone that thinks they are tracking roleplaying, emotes, moods etc.  I mean come on, tracking the roleplaying ability of 275,000 people!!  No way!  As for how many people will get this FS slot, I would say of anyone that plays this game for 1 year at a moderate rate probably 75% will get a FS slot.  I could be way off base there but I think they are using the difficulty of being a jedi as the way to keep them rare not the way to get the slot itself.  Flame away!

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neelong wrote:
I personally dont think its as hard as getting bad marks that set you back from FS or good marks that get you closer. 

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You misunderstand me. I guess you've never read the "Choose Your Own Adventure" books, huh?

It's not necessarily a bad mark, imo. Just a portion of the path that closes off that you can't go back to, but it opens up another, just as good, in its place.

Picture this: You're in a haunted house, it's midnight, a wild killer is on the loose, and the lights are off. You go downstairs to check on the circut breakers when you hear a noise behind you, scraping slowly at the front door. Do you want to: Run screaming back into your bed, Open the door and confront whatever's outside with your meanest shovel, or call the police? Once you decide to open the front door, you can't go back and change the decision you made, you can only go forward.

Another analogy: I think it's more like a huge four-way highway. Always moving in the same direction, sometimes it's slower, sometimes it's faster, sometimes there's construction cutting you off from a lane -- but you still go the same place, eventually.

Anyway, this is just a theory of mine.

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Kazarak, I would love to "flame away", but you didn't even mention any of the things I said they were tracking. *shrug* You might, however, be rather interested in this thread:

http://swg.mc0wnage.com/viewtopic.php?t=90

As a side note, I reposted my main theory here:

http://swg.mc0wnage.com/viewtopic.php?t=146

That's probably where I'll be replying to, and brainstorming. Ya'll continue thinking whatever crackpot theory you believe - I finally have my own.