Rules, flameout, exploits and bans

[Mosegris]

That wasn't an option available to them.

Wasn't it?
If they chose option 1:
They can just make and alt and play for 2 months with that alt. When the 2 moths are over they have 100 mill on their original toons. Tadaa.

[nikj]

Wasn't it?
If they chose option 1:
They can just make and alt and play for 2 months with that alt. When the 2 moths are over they have 100 mill on their original toons. Tadaa.

Not without breaking the multiple account rules they can't.

And, really, I would guess that they're being watched fairly closely with regards to that.

[Mosegris]

Not without breaking the multiple account rules they can't.

And, really, I would guess that they're being watched fairly closely with regards to that.

People that do this already have several accounts, wife, 2 kids, 2 adopted kids, grandpa and grandma, mom and dad etc.

[stevengw]

all toons are database linked i asume? so all items/creds gained, sold transfered become traceable data...
Sony were able to catch all credits in game to account by adding >= booleans into the banking or inventory script, i remember reading about it.

(Lag, pet hate of mine!)
Also on a note about lag! It was said once that, the animals left behind at nests which aren't killed should auto despawn after x amount of time!
I was on naboo the other night, out hunting, it was nearly imposible to find my nest with all the left over mobs from killed nests.

[Jaddynnstarr]

While I applaud the actions taken by the developement team, the severity of the case does not reflect the punishment IMHO... Character confiscation should be a given in this matter. Allowing them to retain ANYTHING from their exploitations is a HUGE FAIL otherwise. What does this say to offenders? I know what it says to me... it says hey... i can go to all the banks in my hometown and rob them of all their money, then if i get caught, i can do 2 years prison and keep the $20 million I just stole.... Id do 2 years for 20 million.... just sayin...

You should have stripped the account of all its belongings without warning and reset every toon on it to lvl 1. Anything less then that displays percieved weakness on the part of the Developement team. this is all just MY opinion, so take it with whatever you think its worth... Once again, I applaud your actions, they just werent harsh enuff.

[Fitterbr]

While I applaud the actions taken by the developement team, the severity of the case does not reflect the punishment IMHO... Character confiscation should be a given in this matter. Allowing them to retain ANYTHING from their exploitations is a HUGE FAIL otherwise. What does this say to offenders? I know what it says to me... it says hey... i can go to all the banks in my hometown and rob them of all their money, then if i get caught, i can do 2 years prison and keep the $20 million I just stole.... Id do 2 years for 20 million.... just sayin...

You should have stripped the account of all its belongings without warning and reset every toon on it to lvl 1. Anything less then that displays percieved weakness on the part of the Developement team. this is all just MY opinion, so take it with whatever you think its worth... Once again, I applaud your actions, they just werent harsh enuff.

The offenders needed to be given some sort of incentive to fully disclose the exploit. Id rather they help the dev team to get it fixed and possibly save them 1 week to several months of development time and get us that much closer to Suncrusher than just pull out the ban hammer and start crunching code trying to figure out what the issue was in the first place.

Props to the devs for this. Keeping cheaters at bay makes the game better for everyone.

[Relic61]

Those accounts should have been deleted period and perma bans for the offenders.

[ljay1973]

This is a step in the right direction. Something that will help to raise the preceived legitimacy of the Emu team.
The community needs to see that finding exploits is required but using them will not be tolerated.

I do have to question if the punishment for those involved was of sufficient severity.
As has been said before, those who exploit like this will undoubtedly have broken the single account rule already.
And, for many involved, this won't be their first ban for exploiting.

[Vlada]

I do have to question if the punishment for those involved was of sufficient severity.
As has been said before, those who exploit like this will undoubtedly have broken the single account rule already.
And, for many involved, this won't be their first ban for exploiting.

Maybe it wasn't severe enough, but we were setting a precedent and changing our rules. Like I've said before, this kind of punishment was offered now but will not be offered to anyone again. This is just the first step, we hope its a step in the right direction.

There is no perfect system that can prevent multiple accounts abuse and those willing to put in extra time and effort will always find a way to go around any system we create. Only thing we can do is ban them when we catch them doing it.

[ljay1973]

Maybe it wasn't severe enough, but we were setting a precedent and changing our rules. Like I've said before, this kind of punishment was offered now but will not be offered to anyone again. This is just the first step, we hope its a step in the right direction.

There is no perfect system that can prevent multiple accounts abuse and those willing to put in extra time and effort will always find a way to go around any system we create. Only thing we can do is ban them when we catch them doing it.

Its definitely a step in the right direction. And a great sign for the future of the project (I feel anyway).
As I've said in other posts, more overt action from the team will have a huge effect on the way the project is perceived. But we can't expect you VOLUNTEERS (I think we all need to sometimes remember thats what you are) to police the server at all times, we need to do some policing ourselves, through exploit reporting and the simple act of not tolerating exploiters or having anything to do with them. This may mean turning down the big credits for a sale, but it will be for the best in the long run.

[Reano]

Maybe it wasn't severe enough, but we were setting a precedent and changing our rules. Like I've said before, this kind of punishment was offered now but will not be offered to anyone again. This is just the first step, we hope its a step in the right direction.

There is no perfect system that can prevent multiple accounts abuse and those willing to put in extra time and effort will always find a way to go around any system we create. Only thing we can do is ban them when we catch them doing it.

I think that the action was tempered adequately. It was a change in rules and therefore, gives the benefit of a hard slap and begins to set the tone. Your second statement is exactly the dilemma of trying to set rules. Anyone who wants to try hard enough, will always find a way around them.

[FLAKPANZER]

Thanks for the hard work and update Vlada and Dev team.
It isn't said enough.

[eargosedown]

Good on you guys! And thanks for keeping us updated.

[Quantum]

Imo:

Smart and professional as always Vlada (and SWGEmu team). Use exploiter's "cleverness" to learn more about the exploits to make the game better for everyone. Part of life/MMOs is learning how to get ahead of the wolf pack. Exploits are one way of doing this and some people are willing to take that risk. As long as it is not game breaking I think a 2-month ban is reasonable. Like you said let the punishment correlate with the impact and risk of the exploit. Especially during development stages you WANT huge game breaking exploits to come to light rather than have exploiters hoard them until Sun Crusher.

[hunterk03]

well way i look at it is like this, if people sploit it gets caught. gets caught gets fixed. none of thier cheating is going to matter once the wipe happens. All those 100s of millions of ill gotten goods will go poof, but thier reputation stays. Maybe they will turn around, or maybe they will keep at it who knows but why worry now when all of this will get a squeeky clean slate when Suncrusher is released. Awesome job devs you rock!