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    Post November Financial Summary

    SWGEmu November Financial Summary

    December 6, 2011
    The SWGEmu Team


    November had 43 donations that resulted in a gross amount of $845.00 and a net amount of $805.85 after PayPal fees.


    November had the following expenses (two months worth of FDC bills were withdrawn from the account in November but we list only one here because we don't pay twice a month, it was just the way the dates worked out).
    FDC for three dedicated servers = $897.00
    BurstNet for Windows virtual private server = $7.95
    Xzibition for IRC virtual private server = $8.76
    TOTAL EXPENSES = $913.71

    November had a total shortfall of $107.86 with a final PayPal account balance of $5,867. The cost of the NPO has not been paid yet and that is around $1,500.


    ~ The SWGEmu Team

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    Nice bit of info there.

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    Very clean and nicely stated - love the use of greens and reds for positives and negatives. (sorry I'm an accountant I notice these things heh.)

    Looking forward to helping pay the bills when I graduate next May.

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    this post is just to say" WE WANT YOU MONEY NOW!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostjeep View Post
    this post is just to say" WE WANT YOU MONEY NOW!"
    Not really...it is just disclosing information. The bank account is doing rather well but we do have some upcoming expenses with the new site/servers and NPO that will begin eating into any cushion we have with money.

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    i feel oddly compelled to say "lol", this is disturbing for you guys to post on more than one level

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    I don't find it disturbing. People wanted transparency and here it is.
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    There is no new information contained here. The donations could already be seen on the bar and the costs were public. We simply summarized them as we have to report our financial status as an NPO.
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    Dont get me wrong but i still just wonder about your server costs - why are your root servers that expensive?

    If you order a dedicated server in the U.K you'll get a 8 GIG Quadcore (TB Raid) with all the nice extras for about 60 pounds, which is like 94 $.
    3 Servers come 282.- $$ - why are you paying almost thousand bucks? Odd.

    The U.K. server has 3 TB traffic included.

    The server company has also server farms in germany, where the traffic is unlimited (!) and they are even cheaper:
    90 bucks/server with everything included.


    The IRC Server:
    Should be a service on the webserver, no need for an extra (virtual) machine.


    3 servers 90 = 270,-
    1 virtual Windows server (what for?): 10,-

    Total: 280,- $



    Like said, dont get me wrong - i just sense something:
    The project will still take alooong time and almost every developer once being part here has left.
    These days only one Dev keeps up the work, TA is bugfixing.

    Does not sound promising and i am pretty sure it wont change anytime soon.
    In terms of forsight it is advised to cut the costs to ensure the EMU going and not suffering from unpaid server invoices.




    Just my 0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrios View Post
    Dont get me wrong but i still just wonder about your server costs - why are your root servers that expensive?

    If you order a dedicated server in the U.K you'll get a 8 GIG Quadcore (TB Raid) with all the nice extras for about 60 pounds, which is like 94 $.
    3 Servers come 282.- $$ - why are you paying almost thousand bucks? Odd.
    I may be wrong here, but I believe this setup is still used (can't remember exactly right now):



    Two octa-core server processors, but we upgraded the line to a 1.0 Gbit connection, and the webserver is running 8GB RAM. The vast majority of our players are US-based so US-based hosting is, I imagine, preferred. Pricing may be different between countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrios View Post
    The IRC Server:
    Should be a service on the webserver, no need for an extra (virtual) machine.
    The other stuff might be false info but I've long thought that our current IRC service is a waste of money. It doesn't happen very often but occasionally it goes down and every now and then there is a chain of screw ups. It'd probably be easier to host it ourselves, I mean it uses practically nothing in terms of resources as far as I am aware. It would cut a few dollars and probably be more stable in the long term.

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    I'm guessing that they look for US-based companies because for them it's easier to access their machines in case something goes wrong.

    The "Liberator cloud server testing" is precisely a test to see if (for now) the "production" server can be moved to one of those virtual machines without having unexpected problems, be it with the software or the bandwidth. If things go as planned, it is possible that they do a mass switch to Cloud computing and data warehousing for a considerable reduction in the maintenance costs.

    Yet they are not rushing to the lowest cost option in case things go sour.

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    I would very much like to se the source of that info and compare the prices, i just googled "UK based dedicated servers" and got Host-it as a first hit.



    Their best box is 324.95 which is $506.951, and that's for a box that is nowhere near what we need/use. Tin 6 cores instead of twin 8 cores, we have 52GB more RAM, 4x1.5TB blah, blah, blah. And thats just the box, no dedicated line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlada View Post
    I would very much like to se the source of that info and compare the prices, i just googled "UK based dedicated servers" and got Host-it as a first hit.



    Their best box is 324.95 which is $506.951, and that's for a box that is nowhere near what we need/use. Tin 6 cores instead of twin 8 cores, we have 52GB more RAM, 4x1.5TB blah, blah, blah. And thats just the box, no dedicated line.
    Just had to see this thread. I know you guys an who ever else are probably working hard etc. Not being any where into marketing or collecting donations though an for my age I have noticed a decrease in the amount of people playing due to them leaving and playing SWTOR. On the other note lots of people just want the live server already. Yeah I know its the same question, but what it boils down too is an upcoming money Situation "TO AVOID". On a serious Note to take into consideration of having a live server with the new code an no wipes with it just being update from there on out can see a lot of improvements to drive people back here to EMU and collect more donations through out.

    My idea to avoiding this possible money situation in the future would be to "Advertise" rather its through blogs, Youtube, and what ever free service is out there to do so. We have to bring word to those leaving Galaxies Tomorrow after its shut down and Draw in players from the SWTOR based community who are probably a 75% population of WoW players and SWG based players. Also bringing the live server out would help people Stay. The reason that is, is for the fact of everyone in SWG lost tons of time and hard work or dedication to their Players and Items. With the live server up it would coat us players an previous EMU players to not having issues with loosing are time we spent into Players/Items/Community Based Strategy! This would also Reassure an Strive long lasting players to stay and continue to Play SWGEMU. Sure people come and go, but the key is to keeping them an as many as possible an of course introducing new players to Star Wars Galaxies (EMU). Its a free based MMO and with a large campaign to some how advertise would draw new adults or youn adults to through small or big donations.

    This came off the top of the dome. I'm sure many have probably or already know that info I just posted from common knowledge as I. Plus we have to Compete with SWTOR's Release which will make things more difficult already. So just some thing to take into serious consideration or to avoid future problems. Hope it helps.

    Long Live SWG/EMU.

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    I know you guys an who ever else are probably working hard etc. Not being any where into marketing or collecting donations though an for my age I have noticed a decrease in the amount of people playing due to them leaving and playing SWTOR. On the other note lots of people just want the live server already. Yeah I know its the same question, but what it boils down too is an upcoming money Situation "TO AVOID". On a serious Note to take into consideration of having a live server with the new code an no wipes with it just being update from there on out can see a lot of improvements to drive people back here to EMU and collect more donations through out.

    My idea to avoiding this possible money situation in the future would be to "Advertise" rather its through blogs, Youtube, and what ever free service is out there to do so. We have to bring word to those leaving Galaxies Tomorrow after its shut down and Draw in players from the SWTOR based community who are probably a 75% population of WoW players and SWG based players. Also bringing the live server out would help people Stay. The reason that is, is for the fact of everyone in SWG lost tons of time and hard work or dedication to their Players and Items. With the live server up it would coat us players an previous EMU players to not having issues with loosing are time we spent into Players/Items/Community Based Strategy! This would also Reassure an Strive long lasting players to stay and continue to Play SWGEMU. Sure people come and go, but the key is to keeping them an as many as possible an of course introducing new players to Star Wars Galaxies (EMU). Its a free based MMO and with a large campaign to some how advertise would draw new adults or youn adults to through small or big donations.

    This came off the top of the dome. I'm sure many have probably or already know that info I just posted from common knowledge as I. Plus we have to Compete with SWTOR's Release which will make things more difficult already. So just some thing to take into serious consideration or to avoid future problems. Hope it helps.

    Long Live SWG/EMU.

    - Thanks

    Zonomarr[/QUOTE]


    i think this is a very good point and i know several of my friends who played pre cu who are now playing swtor including me would love to be playing swg-emu but don't want to invest are time into something that's going to be deleted, i knnow there;s a bigger picture, but unfortuinately i think most people feel the same way, if we had a live server where we know that everything that we've created isn't going to be delted we would also be more willing to donate.(i actually have donated a few times)

    like he sid something to think about

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