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    Clone Wars, The Exploit. Housing

    As our investigation has continued, we have seen that we can leave duped houses/buildings in the gameworld as they are now, so no need to do anything if you have been notified about a building being a dupe. We will not delete any building/house that was deployed at the time of the email even though the deed or underlying components were duped.

    All other structures (factories, harvesters, etc.) and any building/house that was deployed from a duped deed after you received the email will be deleted.

    To be clear this also applies to City Halls, we will not destroy a City Hall or the city itself because of dupes.

    In all cases any deed that is not deleted but flagged as a dupe will be notrade forever.

    This is the safest middle ground we could come up with, please be patient with us as we continue cleaning up this mess.

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    To be clear duped items in these houses/buildings will not be protected, the goal here is to keep people from having to destroy a city or to tear down a finely decorated building just to delete the deed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolindir View Post
    we will not destroy a City Hall or the city itself because of dupes.

    In all cases any deed that is not deleted but flagged as a dupe will be notrade forever.
    Quote Originally Posted by lordkator View Post
    the goal here is to keep people from having to destroy a city or to tear down a finely decorated building just to delete the deed.
    And several people out there just breathed a huge sigh of relief, this is really great guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordkator View Post
    To be clear duped items in these houses/buildings will not be protected, the goal here is to keep people from having to destroy a city or to tear down a finely decorated building just to delete the deed.
    case and point.

    you can put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house, but if u grind your behind off for days maybe weeks to afford that lovely item someone dangled in your face you will receive no compensation.

    for all those people, i thank you admin.

    on to your next failing. you got the eye of sauran. the eye of fissile will keep an eye on your deviations to suit your own needs before the player base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    you can put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house, but if u grind your behind off for days maybe weeks to afford that lovely item someone dangled in your face you will receive no compensation.
    This is an excellent point, if a little distorted by the tone.

    If having your city hall disappear or having to relocate your vendors is an inconvenience worthy of special treatment, then why not anything else? It seems that having a blanket, no exceptions policy of deleting the duped/dupe-crafted items at least had some kind of defensible principle behind it. I would be interested to hear more detail of the reasoning behind this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    case and point.

    you can put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house, but if u grind your behind off for days maybe weeks to afford that lovely item someone dangled in your face you will receive no compensation.

    for all those people, i thank you admin.

    on to your next failing. you got the eye of sauran. the eye of fissile will keep an eye on your deviations to suit your own needs before the player base.

    asifap, if you love the community so much, where are you now?
    There is so much fire in your heart sweet, sweet Fissile. Reminds me of a movie I saw.



    In all seriousness, they are doing what they can. Not all will like the result, and that's ok. In the end, they will make the changes that make the most sense without completely derailing objectives. Fun is a great target, but not the most realistic in some cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by redro View Post
    This is an excellent point, if a little distorted by the tone.

    If having your city hall disappear or having to relocate your vendors is an inconvenience worthy of special treatment, then why not anything else? It seems that having a blanket, no exceptions policy of deleting the duped/dupe-crafted items at least had some kind of defensible principle behind it. I would be interested to hear more detail of the reasoning behind this.
    They are tossing a good natured bone. It is normal around here and has been for years for many to question, "Then why don't you do XX now?" The lines must be drawn somewhere, and they have and will talk long and hard where those lines are. Once again, not all will agree.......... yet it must be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    you can put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house, but if u grind your behind off for days maybe weeks to afford that lovely item someone dangled in your face you will receive no compensation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    i have absolutely zero doubt that those that bought city halls, et al housing had no idea of duping. what i am contesting is that those that bought weapons, armour and the actual 'fun stuff' had no idea either, yet they are seemingly penalised.


    And your opinion is wrong and stupid.

    "put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house" Yea, I'm sure for you it would be mind numbing, but so would spending 4 years on a single painting. Decorating is more than just moving stuff around. If you were mentally capable of appreciating art you would realize how creative these decorators are. They're given a limited set of objects to work with and an even more limited set of tools to arrange them. Yet still find countless creative waves to arrange them into new objects and unique spaces. English has 26 letters, sometimes someone arranges those 26 letters into Hamlet and sometimes they get arranged into your forum posts. A well decorated building not only accomplishes some practical end, like a "mall" or "museum, but creates an emotional response in the viewer. It transmit a mood. The only mood PVE in SWG transmits is boredom...

    "grind your behind off for days maybe weeks" That's your idea of fun? Spending weeks grinding janta missions or weeks farming NS or whatever? Have you ever actually played SWG? It's ****ing boring.

    Sure, it's a hell of a lot of fun at first, but so is yanking one off when you're 13. Then you grow and up and your tastes change and that old handjob seems sad and lonely and you really just want someone to help you. SWG PVE is fun at first. Look at you go killin stuff without dying! Hell yes! Master swords! Oh man I'm THOR with this hammer. Haha, look at all those dumb *** dead janta, I AM THE GOD OF THUNDER. This is so fun, dude I just made 1.4m million in a buff! **** me, I'm gonna be rich! Whew, that was a good weekend I pulled in 7m. Hmm what I should buy with these credits? Oh boy, that acklay hammer is 50m?! I gotta grind my *** off for weeks. Oh look, I commited cavemen genocide for 30 hours and now I can buy that hammer. **** me I don't ever want to set foot on dant again. God damn stupid cavemen. Well, what should I do with this beast? Oh my, I just soloed a an elder or a djm, what a rush! Holy ****, I looted an epic dot or my first exceptional! zomgwtfbbq this is so much funzors! Oh cool, I looted another dot. That's pretty neat I just farmed dragons for 3 hours straight and looted a nice tissue. Ugh, I spent 9 hours killing dragons this weekend and I only got a couple mid range tissues worth keeping. Jesus christ really? It's been 3 weeks since I looted a decent rare tissue. Hmm I wonder...could I... yea that almost worked, let's look for a new lower sac... yea there we go. Oh man this is so much fun again lol! While I was at work today my afk toon looted a rare tissue. LOL I was getting paid irl cash at work and my toon was making me credits in game. Haha, this is so fun again. hehe, waking up each day is like opening christmas presents. Let's see what my toons got me last night! Not bad, nothing great, but collectively it'll bring in a few million. Ah ****, I'm running late for work but I gotta check these ****ing afk toons. Ugh, 2 more bags of garbage to delete. Just another afk grind... vendor sales are good and that auction went my way with that bidding war. Hm, I'm at a half billion credits.. it only took a year of running these 2 toons afk 24/7. **** that was a great vacation. I didn't touch a computer for 11 days. Ugh, I don't want to do this afk **** everyday. Logging toons in, sifting through loots, making factory runs, queueing up afk food on toolbars, relisting 1,000 things on the vendor each month... you know what **** it! I'm rich enough now, to what end?... I don't ****ing know, but I'm gonna stop this afk ****. Maybe I'll just do some good old fashion PVE like I did back when this game was fun... 20 mintues later... **** this is so ****ing boring. WTF was I thinking... did it always suck this bad? Mind numbing killing over and over just to open a corpse up like pulling a lever on a slot machine and hoping for something good. **** that. I should go on a hike or read a book or softly run my palm down the aging but still perfect cheek of my beautiful wife stoppin to cradle her jaw and stare deeply into those eyes that reflect some idealized version of myself that I don't deserve her to see me as and just feel her love radiating threw my flesh like the sun on a summer afternoon and give her a gentle slow kiss trying to show her how grateful I am for her in a way I can never express with words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrson View Post
    Sure, it's a hell of a lot of fun at first, but so is yanking one off when you're 13.
    I'm going to stop you right there. This never reaches a point of not being fun!

    The rest of your post, I can agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrson View Post
    "grind your behind off for days maybe weeks" That's your idea of fun? Spending weeks grinding janta missions or weeks farming NS or whatever? Have you ever actually played SWG? It's ****ing boring.
    Quote Originally Posted by trasixes View Post
    The rest of your post, I can agree with.
    Me too Having played several long term MMOs for years at a time... Ultima Online, Everquest 1 & 2, SWG, and a couple others... Its easy to get burn out and numb from exactly what Tyrson describes. I like to play several games at a time to keep my brain.... fresh? My wife MMOs with me although the days of parking her Master Doctor at a Dantooine Outpost are over. She's a smarter gamer now. LOL

    Right now playing Total War: Warhammer 2, Assassin's Creed Origins, Pillars of Eternity I, trying really hard to get into Rust...lol.... switch off every few days.

    Take up another hobby too. I'm making my forge. Gonna start moving metal.

    ...yep drove that train off topic didn't I. hehe. As Lol said, trying to use the best middle ground they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrson View Post


    And your opinion is wrong and stupid.

    "put an hour or two into to mind numbingly moving items around a crappy house" Yea, I'm sure for you it would be mind numbing, but so would spending 4 years on a single painting. Decorating is more than just moving stuff around. If you were mentally capable of appreciating art you would realize how creative these decorators are. They're given a limited set of objects to work with and an even more limited set of tools to arrange them. Yet still find countless creative waves to arrange them into new objects and unique spaces. English has 26 letters, sometimes someone arranges those 26 letters into Hamlet and sometimes they get arranged into your forum posts. A well decorated building not only accomplishes some practical end, like a "mall" or "museum, but creates an emotional response in the viewer. It transmit a mood. The only mood PVE in SWG transmits is boredom...

    "grind your behind off for days maybe weeks" That's your idea of fun? Spending weeks grinding janta missions or weeks farming NS or whatever? Have you ever actually played SWG? It's ****ing boring.

    Sure, it's a hell of a lot of fun at first, but so is yanking one off when you're 13. Then you grow and up and your tastes change and that old handjob seems sad and lonely and you really just want someone to help you. SWG PVE is fun at first. Look at you go killin stuff without dying! Hell yes! Master swords! Oh man I'm THOR with this hammer. Haha, look at all those dumb *** dead janta, I AM THE GOD OF THUNDER. This is so fun, dude I just made 1.4m million in a buff! **** me, I'm gonna be rich! Whew, that was a good weekend I pulled in 7m. Hmm what I should buy with these credits? Oh boy, that acklay hammer is 50m?! I gotta grind my *** off for weeks. Oh look, I commited cavemen genocide for 30 hours and now I can buy that hammer. **** me I don't ever want to set foot on dant again. God damn stupid cavemen. Well, what should I do with this beast? Oh my, I just soloed a an elder or a djm, what a rush! Holy ****, I looted an epic dot or my first exceptional! zomgwtfbbq this is so much funzors! Oh cool, I looted another dot. That's pretty neat I just farmed dragons for 3 hours straight and looted a nice tissue. Ugh, I spent 9 hours killing dragons this weekend and I only got a couple mid range tissues worth keeping. Jesus christ really? It's been 3 weeks since I looted a decent rare tissue. Hmm I wonder...could I... yea that almost worked, let's look for a new lower sac... yea there we go. Oh man this is so much fun again lol! While I was at work today my afk toon looted a rare tissue. LOL I was getting paid irl cash at work and my toon was making me credits in game. Haha, this is so fun again. hehe, waking up each day is like opening christmas presents. Let's see what my toons got me last night! Not bad, nothing great, but collectively it'll bring in a few million. Ah ****, I'm running late for work but I gotta check these ****ing afk toons. Ugh, 2 more bags of garbage to delete. Just another afk grind... vendor sales are good and that auction went my way with that bidding war. Hm, I'm at a half billion credits.. it only took a year of running these 2 toons afk 24/7. **** that was a great vacation. I didn't touch a computer for 11 days. Ugh, I don't want to do this afk **** everyday. Logging toons in, sifting through loots, making factory runs, queueing up afk food on toolbars, relisting 1,000 things on the vendor each month... you know what **** it! I'm rich enough now, to what end?... I don't ****ing know, but I'm gonna stop this afk ****. Maybe I'll just do some good old fashion PVE like I did back when this game was fun... 20 mintues later... **** this is so ****ing boring. WTF was I thinking... did it always suck this bad? Mind numbing killing over and over just to open a corpse up like pulling a lever on a slot machine and hoping for something good. **** that. I should go on a hike or read a book or softly run my palm down the aging but still perfect cheek of my beautiful wife stoppin to cradle her jaw and stare deeply into those eyes that reflect some idealized version of myself that I don't deserve her to see me as and just feel her love radiating threw my flesh like the sun on a summer afternoon and give her a gentle slow kiss trying to show her how grateful I am for her in a way I can never express with words.
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    I like this middle ground.
    Lets get out of this crisis as fast as we can! For the sake of our communities.
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    Sounds like a reasonable compromise.
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    Will there be any ill affects to the server stability from leaving structures from duped deeds in the game?
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    Doesn't look like it, but the amount of deeds that have been built is also far less than other items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolindir View Post
    We will not delete any building/house that was deployed at the time of the email even though the deed or underlying components were duped. All other structures (factories, harvesters, etc.) and any building/house that was deployed from a duped deed after you received the email will be deleted...
    For clarification, in reference to which email, first Eye of Sauron email or the second email identifying the duped items?

    ANY duped structure deed placed prior to the email will be preserved. ANY duped structure deed placed after the email will be removed, correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lolindir View Post
    In all cases any deed that is not deleted but flagged as a dupe will be notrade forever.
    I take it this refers to deeds that are already placed, but if/when moved later they will be notrade forever. Will the duped deeds in inventory after the specified email be deleted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lolindir View Post
    This is the safest middle ground we could come up with, please be patient with us as we continue cleaning up this mess.
    Understood! You guys really rock! Thank you ALL for taking the time out of your lives and making the effort to shore up some of the community concerns. I, for one, am greatful for the work youve each been dedicating to this unfortunate necessity.

    Regards and much respect.

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