06/26/2022 Finalizer Sunday Update

[Lolindir]

Finalizer Sunday Update

06/26/2022
The SWGEmu Development Division


[Fixed] Stability issues
[Added] Celebration Event - Empire Day
[Updated] HealEnhance check for LD

[chrhein]

Any hope for clarification on the undocumented change that we cannot buff offline characters now? I.e. Alts cannot buff their mains. It's not in the notes, so it might be a bug?

[lordkator]

Any hope for clarification on the undocumented change that we cannot buff offline characters now? I.e. Alts cannot buff their mains. It's not in the notes, so it might be a bug?

On a server where you can only login one character at a time you think buffing your link dead alt was expected behavior?

It was a bug and has been fixed, you should see a doctor for a buff.

[Fissile]

see a doctor for a buff.

took the time to grind out doc on my alt to provide self buffing service to my alt toon. as i'd rather buf fmyself then fuill coffers of an AFK buffbot. we could even do that on live to an LD alt.

again you blindside the community with your own shortsightedness and cul-de-sac thinking.

thank you?



It was a bug and has been fixed

was it tho? i mean honestly, was it? and no. the answer is no, it was not a bug.

slow week on the updates so thought you'd curve ball this one in>?

[Qui-larek]

Can you still train your alt?, cough cough *whistles*

I might have to get force persuasion after all :)

[Lolindir]

As we have said from the start, we want more interaction and not the ability to do it all yourself. Buffing your main/alt defeats that goal.

This is probably my fault. I might have missed a line I should have added in the report. It is manual, so mistakes can and will happen. I'll have a look.

Edit.

Yes, I overlooked a line. I'll edit it into the report.

[updated] HealEnhance check for LD

[Achilliesii]

Oh my days

After 19 long years this horrible bug is finally gone! We didn't even get to see it in the patch notes 

Thanks for the clarification Loli rather than trying to brush a critical change off as a "bug"

[Fissile]

On a server where you can only login one character at a time you think buffing your link dead alt was expected behavior?

It was a bug and has been fixed, you should see a doctor for a buff.


As we have said from the start, we want more interaction and not the ability to do it all yourself. Buffing your main/alt defeats that goal

can of worms?

i demand all those that loot stuff on their combat toon to not be able to craft it or sell it on their smith/merchant alt. they msut go straight to another person for interaction. how dare they do it all themselves!

it's such a weak argument, you removed the ability to do it all by removing 10char. people have the choice to support a main char with an alt, and doc or merchant are natural choices.

at this point you are trying to see who are the swg die hard fans that truly enjoy being shafted consistently that plain faced refuse to leave. i wish i could see admin forum again, i bet you are all having a right giggle in there.

[Qui-larek]

It's actually a great idea

The server will benefit from doc in people main temple - think world boss for example
It will also dilute the quantity of pure combat toons that were made in Bas where you have enough toons to min max and we will see more TKM or Swords/DOC style temples we as saw in live

I can see the change in playstyle required but its a bit like reducing my lots down. It's different but its better overall once things adapt to the new norm.

[Lolindir]

The most surprising thing is that you wouldn’t let anyone steal your property, but you consistently let people steal your time, which is infinitely more valuable.
Nuff said

[Ashx]

On the fence about the change but totally garbage implementation and an even more garbage explanation. Way to go!

[Fissile]

On the fence about the change but totally garbage implementation and an even more garbage explanation. Way to go!

enough was said, good sir

[Ashx]

I gotta ask....
If the devs get on board wirh your new movement, will you actually test the changes and give some feedback this time?
/poke!

[Fissile]

i'd really enjoy testing it all out to be completely ignored. where do i sign?

[lekkerish]

I noticed after today's patch that BE tissues are no longer stacking in Synthetic Cloth -- i.e., putting two cloths with +14 injury/wound treatment into a slot now produces a +14 injury/wound treatment hat instead of +25. Was that an intended change or should I submit a bug report?

[SLiFeR]

It was a bug and has been fixed, you should see a doctor for a buff.

It was not a bug. You could buff LD characters on live, especially when people had ****ty dial-up connections or bad computers with 1 processor and would crash, you could finish the buffs/wounds/heals.

How are permanently overt Jedi Knights supposed to get buffs? Waltz in to a cantina unbuffed? You're retroactively punishing anyone with a Doctor alt who took the time and credits to grind one.

Is the last time you played a video game back in 2003? I have to ask based on how this server has regressed, and continues to deteriorate with out of touch changes.

This project desperately needs new leadership who actually play the game and comprehend it. And no, sitting your Dev toon afk doesn't count.

[wolfpk]

I'm perfectly okay with this change. However, it does seem like another knee jerk change. This isn't the first knee jerk change we've had on Finalizer, the first was at the very start with removing Faction pets from increasing mission payouts. We have a test server and have people that test things on there. Why not put these things up there for us to test AND provide feedback on? Am I misunderstanding the purpose of the nova test server?

Communicate with us. Please. We've been asking this for months. We figured we would have gotten the communication that we've been craving with Farelli's podcast, but that fell through. Any word on a new community manager or plans for better communication?

[Fastburn]

I'm perfectly okay with this change. However, it does seem like another knee jerk change. This isn't the first knee jerk change we've had on Finalizer, the first was at the very start with removing Faction pets from increasing mission payouts. We have a test server and have people that test things on there. Why not put these things up there for us to test AND provide feedback on? Am I misunderstanding the purpose of the nova test server?

Communicate with us. Please. We've been asking this for months. We figured we would have gotten the communication that we've been craving with Farelli's podcast, but that fell through. Any word on a new community manager or plans for better communication?

TC:Nova is for unstable code only, it does not include any of the Finalizer specific changes. For instance, right now TC:Nova has Command Queue Rewrite, Cries of Alderaan Part 3, Darn Droid Part 1, and Darn Droid Part 2, all of which will go to Finalizer, but unstable is 14.1. TC:Prime is staging server for Finalizer, where Unstable code and Finalizer specific code can be tested as the Developers need to.

[Fissile]

ah, the old communicate with you but completely not communicate with you. okay i like it, picasso.

[Lolindir]

I noticed after today's patch that BE tissues are no longer stacking in Synthetic Cloth -- i.e., putting two cloths with +14 injury/wound treatment into a slot now produces a +14 injury/wound treatment hat instead of +25. Was that an intended change or should I submit a bug report?If that's the case, it's not intended, would appreciate a report on this one.

[nitan]

On a server where you can only login one character at a time you think buffing your link dead alt was expected behavior?

It was a bug and has been fixed, you should see a doctor for a buff.

Those Doctors that some people use a macro to sit and send a tell to the Doctor, draining their buffs.. And once they get blocked, they delete and remake the character and redo it when you're not ATK.

[clusters4400]

People have different playstyles. The first month of finalizer was magic, seeing random people out on Tatooine, dropping into random camps, actually ATK. It was great.

I personally love the change. I would guess that people trying to exploit the world bosses probably had something to do with this as well. There will still be plenty of AFK bots. and as for the perma-overt jedi, well, get some friends. if you want to play jedi totally by yourself, I would recommend Jedi Academy. I am certain you will find a way to get your janta buffs.

[SadesStarrider]

Not a fan of the change, I've been working to create longer duration buffs with my Doc for my combat toon for a bit now. It feels like some of the functionality has been taken away from Doctors. It was very rewarding getting to use buffs that I'd spent time collecting Janta bloods and mats for. Also, I'm not a jedi. Just a CM/Doc crafter that can no longer buff my combat character.

[Splinter]

Lol. I like how staff picks and chooses what features from live are considered bugs or broken and what is considered a fundamental part of the game. Good stuff, glad everyone is on the same page.

+1 for staff needing a community manager.

[MaladySGO]

It was not a bug. You could buff LD characters on live, especially when people had ****ty dial-up connections or bad computers with 1 processor and would crash, you could finish the buffs/wounds/heals.

How are permanently overt Jedi Knights supposed to get buffs? Waltz in to a cantina unbuffed? You're retroactively punishing anyone with a Doctor alt who took the time and credits to grind one.

Is the last time you played a video game back in 2003? I have to ask based on how this server has regressed, and continues to deteriorate with out of touch changes.

This project desperately needs new leadership who actually play the game and comprehend it. And no, sitting your Dev toon afk doesn't count.

And people thought that only SOE could put the FU in fun.

[Tyrson]

A change that seems to be making the worst people unhappy is probably a good change!

[Fissile]

As we have said from the start, we want more interaction and not the ability to do it all yourself. Buffing your main/alt defeats that goal.

and a weak one it was, too!

[Blizzackk]

This has always been the problem the staff (in the past lul) was trying to avoid with making changes, they knew that whoever got to decide would pick and choose what to change and when and what made sense and doesn't. Literally the game changes on the whim and emotions of like 5 people so I guess this is what you can expect when they let their values go down the drain.

[Dyreal]

As we have said from the start, we want more interaction and not the ability to do it all yourself. Buffing your main/alt defeats that goal.

This is probably my fault. I might have missed a line I should have added in the report. It is manual, so mistakes can and will happen. I'll have a look.

Edit.

Yes, I overlooked a line. I'll edit it into the report.

[updated] HealEnhance check for LD


This is just going to benefit the afk docs and not provide more interaction. Most likely these 24/7 afk buffers are multi-account abusers. Where else are they sending the credits to? or selling them? This only really helps those breaking the rules.


can of worms?

i demand all those that loot stuff on their combat toon to not be able to craft it or sell it on their smith/merchant alt. they msut go straight to another person for interaction. how dare they do it all themselves!

it's such a weak argument, you removed the ability to do it all by removing 10char. people have the choice to support a main char with an alt, and doc or merchant are natural choices.

at this point you are trying to see who are the swg die hard fans that truly enjoy being shafted consistently that plain faced refuse to leave. i wish i could see admin forum again, i bet you are all having a right giggle in there.

Agreed. This the community should of had a chance to weigh in on this "bug" fix.

[SLiFeR]

A change that seems to be making the worst people unhappy is probably a good change!

You mean like deleting Basilisk

LMAO

[Acklay]

-Toasting smores on the fire that is this server-

Man, what the heck is going on over here? The decisions coming down the pipeline have been.. questionable at best. It is always amusing to see the same group of people praising the staff, no matter what they do. While there is another camp that disagrees with a large chunk of the changes.

I find the people who blindly accept/praise everything more problematic then the ones who push back, but this is just getting so absurd it is amusing. Glad I decided to play on a different server recently. Spend my limited time at a place where they respect their players, even a little.

[Serrabell]

Glad I decided to play on a different server recently.

Trust me, so are we :)

[Acklay]

Trust me, so are we :)

I honestly cannot believe you are still on my ***, this isn't high school. Grow up and get over it already, you are more of a plague on this server then I ever was with your attitude problem verses my discontent with the product.

[Splinter]

-Toasting smores on the fire that is this server-

Man, what the heck is going on over here? The decisions coming down the pipeline have been.. questionable at best. It is always amusing to see the same group of people praising the staff, no matter what they do. While there is another camp that disagrees with a large chunk of the changes.

I find the people who blindly accept/praise everything more problematic then the ones who push back, but this is just getting so absurd it is amusing. Glad I decided to play on a different server recently. Spend my limited time at a place where they respect their players, even a little.

I think we'll start seeing more people looking at other servers now that staff here is branching out to new content and changes. I think we'll see more portions of the community feeling alienated due to the needless and questionable changes coming through.

Population and the vanilla experience has always been the draw to the EMU. But the farther we go, the more people realize that vanilla sucks or its just plain boring playing the same game for 10 years. The EMU isn't as special as people thought it was.

There's more reasonable server admins running creative servers that have more to offer someone willing to engage with the content and smaller communities. Hell, the server we can't mention added farming and ranching! EMU has squandered their time on vanilla instead of embracing the wasted potential that was vanilla SWG.

The community can be harsh and it shouldn't all be blamed on them. Some of the toxicity in the community is a symptom of poor communication and disrespect by staff. The abuse of afk and multi account systems ... playing a game that will wipe all your progress ... There's no reason to play here unless your testing or desperately clinging to nostalgia.

[Fissile]

desperately clinging to nostalgia

there's a truth to it

[Fissile]

hi.

i noticed there wasnt a revision of the LD buffing thing this week. can we expect it next week?