Basilisk extended downtime 08/09/2017

[waynea]

Because we had 10 chars, I screwed around and tested a lot of things I normally wouldn't touch. I rolled a master CH. I rolled a BE Smuggler. I tested the speed of pets. I tested the BE crafting of pets. I tested mask scent and feign death. All things that were changed over the last couple of publishes. Gave feedback that the devs would not have otherwise gotten had I been limited to two chars. Because with two chars, I'd play only what I enjoy, not what needed to be tested and fixed.

Look, I get it. The economy is messed up because of 10 chars. I hate that. It's why I only log onto Bas to test things, and generally play on private servers these days. So on one hand, I'd love a wipe, as I'd come back.

But on the other hand...two chars. I'd have a PvE toon, and a PvP toon. And they wouldn't be testing much of anything. That's just the truth, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You are better fit for nova 99.9% players are not like you you should make nova your home

[rambo1990]

i would totally come back after a wipe. two character minimum has been a debate since i can remember joining these forums. 2 - 3 toon limit would benefit the server greatly, but people will work around it if they really want more.

[waynea]

well if stress testing the server is the goal then they should let us have 2 afk toons and 2 active ones. by making it so no one can AFK buff for instance then no one can really do anything unless there is an active doctor on line or a entertainer.
if you think someone is going to at the keys a dancer all day your high. speak for yourself there's alot of players that love doing it for the social aspect. IN live on my server kit they grouped and charged and split the money and had fun socializing all day

[ebayne]

Yes, we know. But the more players you have, the more things get tested...whether they intend to be doing it or not. Because testing isn't strictly about QA sessions, it includes playtesting. Controlled testing only reveals so much. It's why beta tests of almost every game exists these days, so that many more things get randomly tested. So that players can "play", and randomly stumble across things that nobody would ever think of sitting down to test.

It's why game developers actively encourage more people to just sit down and play. They may give them a list of things that players should actively seek out to test. But they also encourage them to just run around and have fun, knowing that these players will do things the devs never thought would happen and could reveal game breaking issues prior to launch.

Perhaps the SWGEMU devs could learn a thing or two from the way actual paid developers run their alpha/beta testing phases. I mean, we've heard many times, SWGEMU just volunteers, right? Perhaps there's something to be learned from the professionals in this case.

If the devs are dissatisfied with the amount of data they are collecting, or the number of sessions required to get it, or the number of days it takes to get a given amount of that data from those sessions, and they believe that a more realistic economy or interdependence dynamic will address that dissatisfaction, then I say go for it. But the subjective experience of users still isn't the goal, it is a means to an end. I haven't seen any indication that they are underwhelmed by the amount of data they are collecting or the time it takes to get it; I don't speak for them, just to my own observation.

[waynea]

Why doesn't everyone who wants the character limit set to two characters just delete their other eight? The answer is basically the same. You want to play the game you remember, but at the same time, you want to compete. SWG is as much about social interaction as it is competition. Nova has none of that.

And no, Hadvar was going to cut my head off. Screw that guy.

I think most of the people on bas has no idea of what nova is about. At one point we only had nova. I Built and maintained a city through 3 wipes. Most all players lived in my city. We had fun. Devs would spawn NS, Gorax etc in the city occasionally. we crafted we competed. Ivojedi loaded in, his first time playing and walked to my city and gave me a hacked crystal. nova iS no difrent than bas. You can go there and do the same thing with an effort. But lets get 2 chars on bas now. NOVA is a place to where you can play your style what ever it is. We had med center cantina combat every thing that bas has

[ginsu]

Anyone who wants a wipe is broke...and guess what...give it a year and you'll be in the same situation. I'd want a wipe too if I were broke and bad at this game.

I don't agree with that. It seems more like lots of ppl think the economy is broken, due to the fact that players have to many toons and dont need to relly on other players for nothing.

[Ivojedi]

I think most of the people on bas has no idea of what nova is about. At one point we only had nova. I Built and maintained a city through 3 wipes. Most all players lived in my city. We had fun. Devs would spawn NS, Gorax etc in the city occasionally. we crafted we competed. Ivojedi loaded in, his first time playing and walked to my city and gave me a hacked crystal. nova iS no difrent than bas. You can go there and do the same thing with an effort. But lets get 2 chars on bas now. NOVA is a place to where you can play your style what ever it is. We had med center cantina combat every thing that bas has

I'm baffled by this. I wasn't even around when we only had Nova.

[ebayne]

Hey hey, how's things?

You're right - the object of the server is testing new code in prep for 1.0... for that reason (and others) I really hope no wipe happens.

There has to be a balance struck though, as the sheer timescales involved mean you need to retain a fair degree of goodwill from the community. Dogmatic pursuit of project goals needs to be tempered by the need to make the testing enjoyable or you risk toiling over lines of code for many many years and end up with a very empty Suncrusher server in 202x.

I personally think the balance is struck pretty well most of the time by the way...

Hey man, long time no see.

I get your point about Suncrusher, but I get the sense that "toiling over lines of code for many many years" is kind of the point for the devs now. It may have started as a love song to a dead game, but now it's just the Matrix. Most don't and won't play the game for fun. 1.0 will undoubtedly give them a sense of satisfaction, but I imagine my satisfaction, or yours, or any user's, will be a small fraction of theirs. In short, I think most of them would be perfectly happy to have thrown the Suncrusher party even if no one came.

That those of us on the client side of the project get a fair approximation of a game we loved as a by-product is a bonus. We're here to serve their purposes; any expectation or belief that the reverse is true just leads to frustration.

[rwp389]

I'm baffled by this. I wasn't even around when we only had Nova.
If i remember correctly, which i may not, there was at one point only 1 server up. It may not have been called nova, but it was a test server type. We couldn't do anything except run around theed and fly tie fighters sub orbit. The SWGemu team has made an amazing amount of progress. I am very happy that this game is being revived and will be playing for the rest of my years most likely.

[dannuic]

There was a point where we only had Nova. That was back when cRush and kyle were around, before ivo.

There was also a server called Liberator sometime just before the OR hit.

[rwp389]

There was a point where we only had Nova. That was back when cRush and kyle were around, before ivo.

There was also a server called Liberator sometime just before the OR hit.
I remember hearing about the project and sitting in ****** World with the family. I was signed up before the night end and about died when i got all of the installs correct and loaded into theed. Glorious times.

[ebayne]

Liberator, home of the swimming mobs and players standing around Theed trying to remember how to move.

[Vlada]

If i remember correctly, which i may not, there was at one point only 1 server up. It may not have been called nova, but it was a test server type. We couldn't do anything except run around theed and fly tie fighters sub orbit. The SWGemu team has made an amazing amount of progress. I am very happy that this game is being revived and will be playing for the rest of my years most likely.

First we had row of trainers in Anchorhead and that was about it for months, after that we had Theed days, then object restructure started and Nova was turned into a play server. When OR code needed testing Nova became a test server again and Liberator was launched. When OR was "ready" for mass testing, Liberator was st down and we launched Basilisk.

[rwp389]

First we had row of trainers in Anchorhead and that was about it for months, after that we had Theed days, then object restructure started and Nova was turned into a play server. When OR code needed testing Nova became a test server again and Liberator was launched. When OR was "ready" for mass testing, Liberator was st down and we launched Basilisk.
Vaguely remember anchor-head, but again it was a long time ago. Good times for sure!

[Vlada]

Vaguely remember anchor-head, but again it was a long time ago. Good times for sure!

More than a decade ago.

[Evil Cyborg 10]

Jeez I remember that, we've come a long way since then.

[waynea]

I started playing when basickly all we did was duel in theed Dath was about the only other place we could go and we looted crazy dotted weapons

[Farsun]

More than a decade ago.

Wow. Wow. That made me feel old.

[Scurby]

I think most of the people on bas has no idea of what nova is about. At one point we only had nova. I Built and maintained a city through 3 wipes. Most all players lived in my city. We had fun. Devs would spawn NS, Gorax etc in the city occasionally. we crafted we competed. Ivojedi loaded in, his first time playing and walked to my city and gave me a hacked crystal. nova iS no difrent than bas. You can go there and do the same thing with an effort. But lets get 2 chars on bas now. NOVA is a place to where you can play your style what ever it is. We had med center cantina combat every thing that bas has

Some fabrication; some truth...

Cool srory tho.

[waynea]

Some fabrication; some truth...

Cool srory tho.

Could you elaborate on the fabrication please

[waynea]

so you are calling it fabrication because i made a mistake on the server name at that time and because he dont remember it may have been liberator and the city was either world trade or New hope on Naboo

[rwp389]

so you are calling it fabrication because i made a mistake on the server name at that time and because he dont remember it may have been liberator and the city was either world trade or New hope on Naboo
Relax, a community is a community, until we pick each other apart. Changing the direction of conversation is the best way to avoid conflict. Peace and Prosperity.

[DaloLorn]

when i read that 10 toons helps "testing" it ust cracks me up. I bet most of the people with that many toons are just too impatient to wait on others to help them out.

I'll take that bet. Go on, try mastering a crafting profession and getting high-grade resources, crafting SEAs and everything - and do it faster than an established crafter can give you whatever it is you wanted to craft. That ought to keep you occupied for a while.

Heck, I'll make it easy on you and let you pick a server that isn't emulating the exact level of grinding required to master a crafting profession.

For reference, my own experiences as a crafter:

- Got one of my 8 characters on Basilisk partway through Doctor across the span of two years (I wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere). That character happened to be as close to a full template as any of them ever got, and between my insistence on not using factories and my lack of quality resources, he couldn't possibly have competed with a dedicated doctor.

- Mastered Droid Engineer and Medic (no doctors this time, though - my precious few character slots were otherwise occupied) on Empire in Flames within the server's first month. The reduced XP requirements and the fact that I didn't have to go through Artisan first sped things up quite a bit, as did the fact that I actually felt like finishing my templates for once. On the other hand, the fact that I had to harvest a good chunk of my resources myself slowed me down; with sufficient funding, I'd estimate it would now take me a week or two. (Good luck getting the existing crafters to part with their stockpiles of high-grade resources like Figaate, Fesi or Efuunine, though - we had some great luck with the resource spawns early on.)

- Currently in the last stages of mastering Structures Trader on ******* so that I can RE my own ship parts - not to mention the fact that starship equipment on that server is obscenely expensive. (Which may be related to the fact that everything on that server, most importantly resources, is obscenely expensive.)

[Shroudedpast]

I started playing during the Theed trainer lineup thing, watching Gm's spawn in Darth vader in a shuttle to punish the rebel scum was amazing :D

[waynea]

My point in the above post is you people that want 10 chars can go live on nova for the purpose of testing and basically do the same exact thing as here create you a city gather players create 10 chars and test every thing you want to test. testing is not nessaerly searching for bugs on your end its you doing what you enjoy doing. if you do stumble on a bug report it but just have fun. I thought i designed the above to enlighten ppl that dont understand nova . I personally dont care if we wipe or change char limit. The post was not about me fabricating or a misspelled word or a un doted eye

[masrao]

I keep seeing a lot of junk about economies and interdependence.

That would mean a lot more if this were a game.

It isn't.

As others have pointed out, this is development exercise disguised as a game, destined to be wiped sooner or later. More knowledgeable folks than me have explained why a wipe isn't Plan A, but it has nothing to do with whether or not people want to buy stuff from other people. Nor is it about preserving (or for that matter, destroying) the status quo for the benefit or convenience of us stress-testers. As far as I know, the "economy" isn't being stress tested. Don't bother arguing that crafting would be tested more thoroughly if there was more of a profit motive, that's magical thinking.

When the project becomes a game, intended to persist and please a community of players instead of testers, then we can get all hot and sweaty about interdependence, and the economy, and all those other meta-games.

In short, the problem isn't implementation, it's a problem of expectations.


Exactly. It's not a game, it's a test. A wipe now, right when jedi was apparently going in just means that the whole testing process will take that much longer. I was going to say a lot more but why bother. The unreasonable aren't going to pay attention anyway. lol

[nee2earth]

It's why game developers actively encourage more people to just sit down and play.

They may give them a list of things that players should actively seek out to test. But they also encourage them to just run around and have fun, .

We do both methods yep. Just yesterday alone, with at one point having over 150 players logged into TCNova at once (we usually average 10-20) , most of whom had never even been on Nova before much less interacted with us before and therefore had varying degrees of 'orange-hawtpants tightness (http://www.swgemu.com/archive/scrapbookv51/data/20070320112517/)' , we were able to uncover 4 new bugs & an exploit.

Yet another example of why I wouldn't trade our wacky Community for any other in the Galaxy.
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Perhaps the SWGEMU devs could learn a thing or two from the way actual paid developers run their alpha/beta testing phases.

Of course, but sometimes it's more important to learn what not to do. :puke:SOE

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There was also a server called Liberator sometime just before the OR hit.

ahhh the good ole days of targettable lairs 120m high up in the air , jedi 'rumors', and when you had to write a /pause 1 walk macro just to be able to move :mrgreen:

[Fissile]

users still allowed post in here? trawling thru the posts to see if anything useful is quite a PITA.

+1

[bigevil]

users still allowed post in here? trawling thru the posts to see if anything useful is quite a PITA.

+1

LOL I liked your suggestion. :p

[masrao]

users still allowed post in here? trawling thru the posts to see if anything useful is quite a PITA.

+1

You realize they are updating the first post with the latest information, right?

[waynea]

We do both methods yep. Just yesterday alone, with at one point having over 150 players logged into TCNova at once (we usually average 10-20) , most of whom had never even been on Nova before much less interacted with us before and therefore had varying degrees of 'orange-hawtpants tightness (http://www.swgemu.com/archive/scrapbookv51/data/20070320112517/)' , we were able to uncover 4 new bugs & an exploit.

Yet another example of why I wouldn't trade our wacky Community for any other in the Galaxy.
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Of course, but sometimes it's more important to learn what not to do. :puke:SOE

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ahhh the good ole days of targettable lairs 120m high up in the air , jedi 'rumors', and when you had to write a /pause 1 walk macro just to be able to move :mrgreen:

Get on your swoop travel 100 meters rubber band back 75 meters. 3 minits to create a synthetic cloth

[Fissile]

You realize they are updating the first post with the latest information, right?

:O

darn....

[Matt Treck]

You realize they are updating the first post with the latest information, right?

But that doesn't include all of the wonderful messages from Vlada. :)

[sportkid0606]

Is it possible to keep everyone updated with the status each day?

[waynea]

Is it possible to keep everyone updated with the status each day?

As far as i know the status updates are on the home page of the forum in green letters other than that vlada posts in here

[bigevil]

Indeed. When best possible info warrants. Lets be patient. :)

[masrao]

But that doesn't include all of the wonderful messages from Vlada. :)

Very true. Those are the best part of the whole thread anyway. :)

[waynea]

Very true. Those are the best part of the whole thread anyway. :)

But he dont like compliments send him some cash or a present and he might allow you to buy him a drink

[wren]

Some of these guys are having trouble reading the words, they don't do too good at the readin" but I can tell you are obviously above that and will come around to our 2 toon ideology and help spread the word!



Obviously players on the EMU are for more advanced then live players in terms of Knowledge, please come back with at least a good argument!

Insulting people is no way to promote a discussion or persuade people to your line of thinking. Its a great way to make enemies and people dislike you and stop listening to anything you have to say. Stop that. I for one will never take you seriously if you continue to treat people that way and if these forums have the ability to block messages from certain users. You will be my first addition to that block list.

I think with such a small server 2 characters is not enough to promote the gathering and crafting economy. Many of you say oh its so broken. Apparently you don't remember live when desirable resources sold for 100 to 500 per unit and a decent cheap crates of brandy were a 100k or more.

As far as I can tell, especially with the uptick to 100 or so connections on Nova, there is zero point in changing the toon count policy right now, even if there is a wipe. It will not encourage database bloat to limit the number of toons and characters that people have available to them so that those problems can be addressed and solved before the final wipe. The active player base is simply not there to build up database bloat with only 2 characters a per account.

While I don't know the details of the problems the Emu team is trying to solve with the Db, I do know a few things about development and hardware. SSD's wear over time and their capacity shrinks naturally until they fail completely. Data constantly moves around on SSD's due to a built feature called wear leveling. SO, you could have a 400GB SSD, and after a year that SSD dependent on use and workflow may only be 300GB due to wear and tear. This server afaik is many years old. If those 400GB SSD's are that old and supporting a 300GB Db, that wearing and loss of drive space is likely what caused the failure and was a valuable test and lesson learned for the team running Basilisk. I'd say this is very educational for them. If that's not what happened, its still been a very educational lesson learned.

Personally, I prefer dealing with those bots, over players for buffs. I don't need every interaction to be a chance to chat with someone, but I do need buffs to go grind out certain types of XP. Changing rules to reduce stress on the system, reduce afk bots, and encourage more real players with less toons logged in does not make for a stronger and more resilient server when the Emu team finally makes it to a live release. You want that bloat, and load, and stress, because that's where in my experience as a developer the interesting bugs and design flaws start showing themselves. If players can't provide that and they have had years to come back then let let there be bots and multiple logins and more than 2 toons per account.

[Belmen]

Lol we need the server, as before or wiped, people are clearly bored.

[nee2earth]

, people are clearly bored.

TCNova is up & running and someone even created a 'GenChat' channel to join.

Come join the fun... :gun8:

[chen-]

TCNova is up & running and someone even created a 'GenChat' channel to join.

Come join the fun... :gun8:

yep, had more fun there the last 2 days than ive had on bas in months.

and i submitted a mantis ticket on a bug :D

[sportkid0606]

As far as i know the status updates are on the home page of the forum in green letters other than that vlada posts in here

Ah I see. I have been checking throughout the day for the home page updates.

[Scrapster]

Exactly. It's not a game, it's a test. A wipe now, right when jedi was apparently going in just means that the whole testing process will take that much longer. I was going to say a lot more but why bother. The unreasonable aren't going to pay attention anyway. lol

This guy gets it.

Not that it could even happen but in my perfect world there would be no wipe and everyone would have to choose just ONE of their toons; and only play with that.

[Dainamas]

Ouch, this seems to be a serious problem. The Force was too strong for the SSDs. Thanks, good luck and courage to the team working on this.

[Swilliams]

speak for yourself there's alot of players that love doing it for the social aspect. IN live on my server kit they grouped and charged and split the money and had fun socializing all day
I remember those days, there was a group of 5 that had ent bots spread out trying to cover the entire cantina floor with bubbles. Cantinas were so much more lively back on live.

[DDSilver]

This guy gets it.

Not that it could even happen but in my perfect world there would be no wipe and everyone would have to choose just ONE of their toons; and only play with that.

In that perfect world of yours, how long did it take for the entire game economy to collapse?
Because in the real world I'd give it a few months before current stock runs out, and chances are pretty decent that the amount of people that chose their crafters as that ONE toon will not be enough to get it back up.
Perhaps a few will! But in the end many will grow bored of doing nothing else and they will change profession or leave all together.

I'm getting the sneaky suspicion that the division between people that want 1 or 2 characters and those that want more is the division between consumers and producers.

[Scrapster]

I remember those days, there was a group of 5 that had ent bots spread out trying to cover the entire cantina floor with bubbles. Cantinas were so much more lively back on live.

Yup. Those who say no-one would ATK an Ent full time presumably never played live.

[Scrapster]

In that perfect world of yours, how long did it take for the entire game economy to collapse?
Because in the real world I'd give it a few months before current stock runs out, and chances are pretty decent that the amount of people that chose their crafters as that ONE toon will not be enough to get it back up.
Perhaps a few will! But in the end many will grow bored of doing nothing else and they will change profession or leave all together.

I'm getting the sneaky suspicion that the division between people that want 1 or 2 characters and those that want more is the division between consumers and producers.

People on live didn't grow bored of it. If people stop crafting others will see their chance and change to fill the niche. That's the beauty of limiting characters to one, or begrudgingly.. 2.

Which brings me back to:


Yup. Those who say no-one would ATK an Ent full time presumably never played live.

[jharmison]

As far as i know the status updates are on the home page of the forum in green letters other than that vlada posts in here

If you have *nix (or whatever generic access to something BASH-like), you could install an MTA and do this:



while : ; do
if [ $(wget -O - http://www.swgemu.com/status/basilisk.xml 2>/dev/null | xpath -e '//status/text()' 2>/dev/null | grep -o 'up') ]; then
message=$(echo -e "Server is showing it's up now.\nCheck http://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198679 to confirm.\nThis message generated: $(date)")
echo "$message" | mail -s "Server's up!" you@youraddress.com
break
fi
sleep 60
done


Edit: inb4 someone says to use printf instead of echo

[DDSilver]

People on live didn't grow bored of it. If people stop crafting others will see their chance and change to fill the niche. That's the beauty of limiting characters to one, or begrudgingly.. 2.

Which brings me back to:

And that tells me that you were likely not a crafter on live.

Every high-end, dedicated crafter I knew on my server had at least 2 accounts. Paying double the monthly charge, everything.
Heck, I moved last year and I found 3 sealed copies of Jump to lightspeed!
Good times.

I had a Architect/Armorsmith/Merchant on live. And if that was the only character I had, I would not remember it so fondly.

[Avelek]

Yup. Those who say no-one would ATK an Ent full time presumably never played live.

I played live from start to finish, an extraordinarily small amount of people would play an ATK entertainer if a character limit of two was established on this server. To suggest anything otherwise is delusional. 99% of the entertainers were AFK precu too, and I didn't know one person playing an entertainer that didn't have a secondary account.

There wasn't enough of a reason then to play entertainer. There still isn't now, and there are significantly less people playing. An argument can be made for it for Suncrusher, but for the purpose of Basilisk, anyone suggesting a character limit of two simply doesn't understand what they are trying to accomplish here.

[Scrapster]

And that tells me that you were likely not a crafter on live.

Every high-end, dedicated crafter I knew on my server had at least 2 accounts. Paying double the monthly charge, everything.
Heck, I moved last year and I found 3 sealed copies of Jump to lightspeed!
Good times.

I had a Architect/Armorsmith/Merchant on live. And if that was the only character I had, I would not remember it so fondly.

I was for a long time someone who couldn't decide on a profession. On live I played literally all of the combat professions for a short time each. I played Tailor and Image Designer but none of the other crafters. Did scout, ranger and CH (never bothered with SL). In the end I had more fun playing Dancer than anything else, and I still was when the CU hit. Not sure if that adds to this exchange.. Think I'm just rambling and reminiscing now...

[ebayne]

And that tells me that you were likely not a crafter on live.

Every high-end, dedicated crafter I knew on my server had at least 2 accounts. Paying double the monthly charge, everything.
Heck, I moved last year and I found 3 sealed copies of Jump to lightspeed!
Good times.

I had a Architect/Armorsmith/Merchant on live. And if that was the only character I had, I would not remember it so fondly.

I had 7 accounts and I STILL wasn't completely independent. I relied on crafters better than me for much of my stuff, and just enjoyed dinking around making stuff that was 90% of SB to sell to folks who didn't want to pay for 100%.

[Leylyah]

Folks are getting bored? Heh, yes. Real Life chores take over, take out the trash and make sure that rattling screen is tightened down before you rip it out of the wall, etc.

[DDSilver]

I was for a long time someone who couldn't decide on a profession. On live I played literally all of the combat professions for a short time each. I played Tailor and Image Designer but none of the other crafters. Did scout, ranger and CH (never bothered with SL). In the end I had more fun playing Dancer than anything else, and I still was when the CU hit. Not sure if that adds to this exchange.. Think I'm just rambling and reminiscing now...

I can relate...
It was quite a game was it not?

[spiceymeme]

If you have *nix (or whatever generic access to something BASH-like), you could install an MTA and do this:

Made a little powershell script for people who don't have a Linux box -


$sound = new-Object System.Media.SoundPlayer;
$webclient = New-Object System.Net.WebClient
$webClient.DownloadFile("http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2017-07-30_6786517629734627/movies/star_wars/chewy.wav", "$pwd\upsound.wav")
$sound.SoundLocation="$pwd\upsound.wav";

while ($true) {
$url = "http://www.swgemu.com/status/basilisk.xml"
$contents = $webclient.DownloadString($url)
$down = Select-String -Pattern "<status>down" -InputObject $contents
$up = Select-String -Pattern "<status>up" -InputObject $contents
$locked = Select-String -Pattern "<status>lock" -InputObject $contents

if ($up.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is UP!")
$sound.Play();
}
if ($down.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is still down.")
}
if ($locked.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is LOCKED, interesting...")
}
Start-Sleep -s 30
}


Downloads a chewy wav file, then checks every 30 seconds to see if it's up, down, or locked. If it's up it'll play the chewy sound (every 30 seconds). If you hit ctrl+c it'll end it.

To use this just copy (ctrl+c) the code and open notepad. Paste it into notepad, then save that as "CheckSwg.ps1" (without the quotes) - you should save it to your documents or something. Can't just upload it somewhere for download, Windows will understandably complain if you download a powershell script and try to run it. Obviously run at your own risk, but you can clearly read what it's doing there.

Then browse to wherever you saved it (preferably your Documents) and right click it, and click "Run With Powershell" and a window will open and start checking every 30 seconds.

Edit: fixed a bug

[mdfrage]

there a newish update on what is going on yet?

[Scrapster]

I can relate...
It was quite a game was it not?

Like the first hit of a powerful drug. You'll spend your life chasing it.

[jimmy]

Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're my only hope.

[pie123]

In that perfect world of yours, how long did it take for the entire game economy to collapse?
Because in the real world I'd give it a few months before current stock runs out, and chances are pretty decent that the amount of people that chose their crafters as that ONE toon will not be enough to get it back up.


This all the way.

I never really understood the animosity people had for multiple toons. They make it seem like its some conspiracy in which producers gain more benefits and the common consumer is left cheated. More AFK toons lead to more supply, and thus more competition (ultimately leading to lower prices and more content). It's a win-win!

[plainolewhitey]

I bet you go to anything potluck or buffet

There's a potluck buffet?!? WHERE!!!????

[plainolewhitey]

OK ok - we get it. You want a wipe and 2 toons. Can we just leave the thread now for actual updates instead of people pushing their own agendas (yes, i realize the irony of this statement)?

Oh man, you... so serious!

https://media.giphy.com/media/js3SsYYvMiWLC/giphy.gif

[Dova]

there a newish update on what is going on yet?

Yes. People in Europe are sleeping. 8-)

[rwp389]

Made a little powershell script for people who don't have a Linux box -


$sound = new-Object System.Media.SoundPlayer;
$webclient = New-Object System.Net.WebClient
$webClient.DownloadFile("http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2017-07-30_6786517629734627/movies/star_wars/chewy.wav", "$pwd\upsound.wav")
$sound.SoundLocation="$pwd\upsound.wav";

while ($true) {
$url = "http://www.swgemu.com/status/basilisk.xml"
$contents = $webclient.DownloadString($url)
$down = Select-String -Pattern "<status>down" -InputObject $contents
$up = Select-String -Pattern "<status>up" -InputObject $contents
$locked = Select-String -Pattern "<status>lock" -InputObject $contents

if ($up.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is UP!")
$sound.Play();
}
if ($down.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is still down.")
}
if ($locked.length -gt 0) {
Write-Host("The server is LOCKED, interesting...")
}
Start-Sleep -s 30
}


Downloads a chewy wav file, then checks every 30 seconds to see if it's up, down, or locked. If it's up it'll play the chewy sound (every 30 seconds). If you hit ctrl+c it'll end it.

To use this just copy (ctrl+c) the code and open notepad. Paste it into notepad, then save that as "CheckSwg.ps1" (without the quotes) - you should save it to your documents or something. Can't just upload it somewhere for download, Windows will understandably complain if you download a powershell script and try to run it. Obviously run at your own risk, but you can clearly read what it's doing there.

Then browse to wherever you saved it (preferably your Documents) and right click it, and click "Run With Powershell" and a window will open and start checking every 30 seconds.

Edit: fixed a bug
All you have to do is put your social security number in for the password! Make sure to include DOB lol

[flugel76]

I had 7 accounts

Trust Fund FTW

[birdmanyo]

Are there any other servers to play on with 800+ people?

[Vlada]

Are there any other servers to play on with 800+ people?

You want to get someone banned?

P.S. No, none of them are even close to that number.

[stylish]

House clean.
Yard mowed.
Dishes done.
Laundry started.
I need to kill things and take stuff from them!

[ebayne]

Trust Fund FTW

nah. did it on a teacher's salary. gave up booze and came out money ahead even after paying subs.

[Dova]

nah. did it on a teacher's salary. gave up booze and came out money ahead even after paying subs.

Food first. Always give booze up last.

[Arkan]

:( been working 12 hr shifts and so look forward to my SWG time. Hopefully it gets corrected soon. Been years since i played finally got on swgemu and realized the addiction to the grind never went away. :)

[rwp389]

Devs have to go out and drink too i mean come on people lol

[Vlada]

Devs have to go out and drink too i mean come on people lol

They don't need to go out to drink. Drinking at home is perfectly acceptable.

[Protocentauri]

Is that what happened.. They had a party foul and dump it all over the HDD?

[Vlada]

Is that what happened.. They had a party foul and dump it all over the HDD?

Actually it was SSD's. I was in a rush to post the announcement, and i pulled the trigger before TA could review it, turns out 2 SSD's died, not 2 HDD's. But in the grand scheme of things, that makes zero difference now.

[spiceymeme]

Actually it was SSD's. I was in a rush to post the announcement, and i pulled the trigger before TA could review it, turns out 2 SSD's died, not 2 HDD's. But in the grand scheme of things, that makes zero difference now.

Does alcohol harm SSDs in the same way it harms HDDs?

[Vlada]

Does alcohol harm SSDs in the same way it harms HDDs?

No idea. Will have to test it wehn we bring Bas back online. Results would be inconclusive if we test it while its offline.

[Evil Cyborg 10]

Uploading 1TB of data ouch!

[wjenet]

Actually it was SSD's.

SSDs are a "guaranteed to fail" technology. They have a limited lifetime. This is not a surprise to anyone who maintains high-availability services.

Combine high-availability with high transaction (write) rates, and "average expected lifetime" of the hardware is an overly-optimistic guess, at best.

I understand that this is user-funded.

I understand that this is volunteer staffed.

I understand that users will gripe at the hint of ANY downtime.


I just observe that you (the EMU team) have your best people wrapped around a critical failure. Please understand that I say the following with a HUGE amount of respect and admiration for the team: "SSD technology *WILL* fail. Plan for it."

Again, great respect and admiration for the work being done.

[Peak]

The importance of lower character limits can't be overstated when it comes to making the economy in the original live game work the way that it did. With that said, even the $15 a month per account wasn't really a deterrent for people that wanted to power game. Dealing with that is going to be a massive issue when the time comes to launch Suncrusher.

But we aren't there yet. Wanting to make e-fortunes and having a more vibrant social scene are not a priority at this stage in the development cycle. Sorry.

[plainolewhitey]

I had 7 accounts and I STILL wasn't completely independent. I relied on crafters better than me for much of my stuff, and just enjoyed dinking around making stuff that was 90% of SB to sell to folks who didn't want to pay for 100%.

I had 22 accounts. It allowed me to have my own city. That was enough to be completely independent ;)

[flugel76]

nah. did it on a teacher's salary. gave up booze and came out money ahead even after paying subs.

How did you find time to grade homework and manage 7 accounts?

[Talmara]

Can I have everyone's stuff?

Yes. Yes you can...

[Bostwain]

just leaving this quote here for people to read over again.

This, in my opinion, is why it should be wiped regardless and reset peoples expectations. This isn't the final iteration of the game, so dont so attatched to it.

[jharmison]

Made a little powershell script for people who don't have a Linux box -



...Microsofty bits...


Downloads a chewy wav file, then checks every 30 seconds to see if it's up, down, or locked. If it's up it'll play the chewy sound (every 30 seconds). If you hit ctrl+c it'll end it.

To use this just copy (ctrl+c) the code and open notepad. Paste it into notepad, then save that as "CheckSwg.ps1" (without the quotes) - you should save it to your documents or something. Can't just upload it somewhere for download, Windows will understandably complain if you download a powershell script and try to run it. Obviously run at your own risk, but you can clearly read what it's doing there.

Then browse to wherever you saved it (preferably your Documents) and right click it, and click "Run With Powershell" and a window will open and start checking every 30 seconds.

Edit: fixed a bug

Two things:
1. If that "Chewy wav file" isn't really Rick Astley I'd be upset.
2. This is maybe useful, if you want to be alerted when not around to get rick-rolled: https://www.pdq.com/blog/powershell-send-mailmessage-gmail/


They don't need to go out to drink. Drinking at home is perfectly acceptable.

Obligatory relevant xkcd (https://xkcd.com/323/).

[akreaper]

When u said hhd I figured u meant ssd. But t the same time there are the hybrid hard drives. Was wondering if u was trying them out

[akreaper]

Oh and if any one was on corbantis and remembers Johnny stormthtasher that was me. Jumped in the game a few months ago

[ebayne]

How did you find time to grade homework and manage 7 accounts?

As a history teacher I was discouraged from giving homework so it didn't interfere with the almighty STEM curriculum.

Which was fine by me--more playtime.

(But the STEM fetishism eventually drove me out of the profession.)

[Contrapunctus]

(But the STEM fetishism eventually drove me out of the profession.)

I appreciate folks who speak out against STEM fetishism.

To avoid getting off topic, I appreciate the development staff for rummaging through all of that data. Come what may, I'll be playing.

[flugel76]

As a history teacher I was discouraged from giving homework so it didn't interfere with the almighty STEM curriculum.

Which was fine by me--more playtime.

(But the STEM fetishism eventually drove me out of the profession.)

But how did you have time to even manage seven accounts? Even one account with only 2 characters is a full-time job in SWG.

[ssjflint]

SSDs are a "guaranteed to fail" technology. They have a limited lifetime. This is not a surprise to anyone who maintains high-availability services.

Combine high-availability with high transaction (write) rates, and "average expected lifetime" of the hardware is an overly-optimistic guess, at best.

I understand that this is user-funded.

I understand that this is volunteer staffed.

I understand that users will gripe at the hint of ANY downtime.


I just observe that you (the EMU team) have your best people wrapped around a critical failure. Please understand that I say the following with a HUGE amount of respect and admiration for the team: "SSD technology *WILL* fail. Plan for it."

Again, great respect and admiration for the work being done.

HDD's fail as well, if not sooner.

[FWHJames]

From TheAnswer: We finished uploading 1.1TB of data and now we're going though it. *From Facebook awhile ago. I am sure most people already saw that, or I missed it posted here some where.

[chen-]

From TheAnswer: We finished uploading 1.1TB of data and now we're going though it. *From Facebook awhile ago. I am sure most people already saw that, or I missed it posted here some where.

its in the OP.

vlada (or someone) has been updating the original post with pertinent info.

[KommissarWhode]

This just in from Imperial Command, regarding your progress: 'You guys ****ing rock, take the time you need to get it right, and don't rush on our account. That is all.'

[Shortb0y]

Whatever happens it's better than before SWGEMU started...

[Lolindir]

Whatever happens it's better than before SWGEMU started...Could not agree more.

I personally hope that we don't get a wipe, since we need Basilisk as it is... Or was...

[Omens]

A wipe would delay many things to test.
But it may also clean the server from its old data ?
There should be tons of useless stuff in there.

[klink01]

But how did you have time to even manage seven accounts? Even one account with only 2 characters is a full-time job in SWG. you must of been a NGE player as it used to be only one character per server back in the day. Plus it's not too hard to manage 5 to 6 toons that all they do is AFK sample or the toon that get the token mayor job.. or say cantina entertainer.

[Darth Kat]

A lot of people commenting here seem to have totally missed the point of Basilisk.

It's a TEST server, so keeping the data would be a much better option from a testing perspective, more data, more angles that can be tested.

The number of character slots is a straw man and has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread. However, the more char slots, the more options players can have to test out different profesions and templates.

As for the economy, it doesn't matter at all about that, it's meaningless, again this is a test server, a WIP, a temporary set up to check out various aspects of code, game mechanics, data etc. etc.

(BTW I only read the first 30 pages of the thread, posts started to repeat themselves and I got bored)

[Serrabell]

A lot of people commenting here seem to have totally missed the point of Basilisk.

It's a TEST server, so keeping the data would be a much better option from a testing perspective, more data, more angles that can be tested.

The number of character slots is a straw man and has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread. However, the more char slots, the more options players can have to test out different profesions and templates.

As for the economy, it doesn't matter at all about that, it's meaningless, again this is a test server, a WIP, a temporary set up to check out various aspects of code, game mechanics, data etc. etc.

(BTW I only read the first 30 pages of the thread, posts started to repeat themselves and I got bored)

I totally agree with this post. I think we lose sight of the objective here at times.

[chen-]

I totally agree with this post. I think we lose sight of the objective here at times.

i see it as we are having a house built. we found some contractors to do it for free. while they are putting up walls, and building floors... we are telling them where to put the tv, couch and fridge. (yes, im a carpenter)



unless you ready to start building the house on your own, lets trust the staff's decision for what best for the project.

[Ryjarob]

Something something something test server...

[snash123]

What ever happens, what ever you guys decide to do, im not going anywhere and will always be a full supporter of this project.

You guys have done an outstanding job to have got the pre-cu project to as far as you have, im just sorry this has happened and potentially wiping out all your hard work!

But if you do have to wipe and start again, I will be up there with the other true genuine supporters to get the commerce up and running again.

May the Force be with us all.

[uriel1972]

Something something something test server...
Alpha servers will be alpha servers.

[egroendyk]

I wanted to create a character on Nova, in the meantime, to help with testing for bugs in career paths I'm unfamiliar with, but it appears that functionality is broken (during this downtime, specifically, I'm guessing?). ):

Here's to everything being recovered/sifted-through today and to hoping for a quick boot-up to Pub 9! Can't wait to get back online to really participate in the project. It's a major bummer I can't connect yesterday/today, but no major complaints or issues from my end; patience is the best virtue, especially for us Padawan learners on SWG (;

Thank you, again, to all the devs, for all your hard work! You guys don't get paid enough to put up with our crap (or at all, for that matter hehe)!

[deadshadow]

Just my opinion here
Devs are gambling when it comes to save a 5year old DB.
That being said, i honestly dunno the reasoning behind saying " its a test server, we need to preserve the data like it was"
It might not be a coincidence to have the HDD fails when merging pub 9 on Bas.
Saving the data as it was, do not insure that more problems will arise or not.
Best course of action to a TEST server is not saving memories or fortunes, is to take the proper actions to achieve the main goal.
With a Clean DB and a Pub 9 merge, has the benefit that, bugs that are reported after, have no association to a recovered DB.
Again this is my opinion, and has no purpose of trolling, just my POV.

[pugguh]

Something something something test server...

OMG I lol'd at that one AJ, thx!! rolfmao!!... great foods BTW...

[Evil Cyborg 10]

Just my opinion here
Devs are gambling when it comes to save a 5year old DB.
That being said, i honestly dunno the reasoning behind saying " its a test server, we need to preserve the data like it was"
It might not be a coincidence to have the HDD fails when merging pub 9 on Bas.
Saving the data as it was, do not insure that more problems will arise or not.
Best course of action to a TEST server is not saving memories or fortunes, is to take the proper actions to achieve the main goal.
With a Clean DB and a Pub 9 merge, has the benefit that, bugs that are reported after, have no association to a recovered DB.
Again this is my opinion, and has no purpose of trolling, just my POV.

They've mentioned before some bugs came from year old data, they also need this as a stress test for when Suncrusher is out. If this happened to Suncrusher they would attempt to fix that to, this is a good trail run.

[Chui]

It is also a decent test of backup code and policies. There is more to the project than a simple working server. What is learned here may be very useful down the road to less experienced server admins when SWGEmu 1.0 is released.

[sportkid0606]

Just my opinion here
Devs are gambling when it comes to save a 5year old DB.
That being said, i honestly dunno the reasoning behind saying " its a test server, we need to preserve the data like it was"
It might not be a coincidence to have the HDD fails when merging pub 9 on Bas.
Saving the data as it was, do not insure that more problems will arise or not.
Best course of action to a TEST server is not saving memories or fortunes, is to take the proper actions to achieve the main goal.
With a Clean DB and a Pub 9 merge, has the benefit that, bugs that are reported after, have no association to a recovered DB.
Again this is my opinion, and has no purpose of trolling, just my POV.

I like this idea. I don't know everything that would be lost in a wipe but I personally just like the idea of a clean slate for everyone to start a new. I just hope if a wipe happens the devs don't lose years of work. I would hate for all their hard work to be gone.

[jharmison]

/shrug
I'm logged in right now.

Edit: I don't appear to have lost.... much or anything. Maybe a day?

[Miztah]

Alright folks, update time. We've managed a recovery of the database and we've got everything copied over to our new SSD's. We're letting Bas run for the weekend as a stress test on the database to ensure there is no corruption that didn't pop up initially. This means that for this weekend, Basilisk is going to remain on Publish 8. We're looking to give the Publish 9 merge another shot on Monday, assuming all goes well over the next 48 hours. We'll update regarding Pub9 closer to monday when we know for sure.

In the meantime, continue on Basilisk as you normally would. We'll be keeping an eye out on our side for any potential stability issues.

Keep in mind that we're still doing integrity checks on the database, if we run into any database corruption between now and then it's very likely that any progress you make this weekend will be lost when we revert to a backup. This is not guaranteed to occur, but be aware that it is definitely a possibility.

[nasher1984]

Alright folks, update time. We've managed a recovery of the database and we've got everything copied over to our new SSD's. We're letting Bas run for the weekend as a stress test on the database to ensure there is no corruption that didn't pop up initially. This means that for this weekend, Basilisk is going to remain on Publish 8. We're looking to give the Publish 9 merge another shot on Monday, assuming all goes well over the next 48 hours. We'll update regarding Pub9 closer to monday when we know for sure.

In the meantime, continue on Basilisk as you normally would. We'll be keeping an eye out on our side for any potential stability issues.

Keep in mind that we're still doing integrity checks on the database, if we run into any database corruption between now and then it's very likely that any progress you make this weekend will be lost when we revert to a backup. This is not guaranteed to occur, but be aware that it is definitely a possibility.

First, thank you so much for your hard work and your team. Second, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WIPE THE DANG SERVER!

[jharmison]

Keep in mind that we're still doing integrity checks on the database, if we run into any database corruption between now and then it's very likely that any progress you make this weekend will be lost when we revert to a backup. This is not guaranteed to occur, but be aware that it is definitely a possibility.

Great work regardless, everyone involved. It's nice to know that we probably won't be running around with sticks when Pub9 drops. :)

[texparamedic]

You guys are frickin Awesome!! Thanks so much for your hard work over the last couple of days!

[Evil Cyborg 10]

Awesome work!

[Buuz Ound]

True professionals 🖒 Thank You!

[Jaws]

Thanks for the update guys. Keep up the good work.



First, thank you so much for your hard work and your team. Second, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WIPE THE DANG SERVER!

They have repeatedly said it is NOT in the interests of the dev team to wipe at this point - it was a worst case scenario.

[SeraphExodus]

Thanks Miz! Glad you guys managed to pull it off.

[futuramaman]

Well in the worst case we could have had blue frogs which basically means keeping all of those too common legendary t21s and ADKs really isn't important at all:P We probably would have read about swgemu billionaires jumping out of buildings with a sad sad story taped to themselves HAHA

[aDubble]

Damn me and my friends were really looking forward to coming back to SWG solely based on the news of a possible fresh server. But happy for everyone that is established there and won't lose their gear and stuff.

Good luck to everyone!

[Skoimich]

Alright folks, update time. We've managed a recovery of the database and we've got everything copied over to our new SSD's. We're letting Bas run for the weekend as a stress test on the database to ensure there is no corruption that didn't pop up initially. This means that for this weekend, Basilisk is going to remain on Publish 8. We're looking to give the Publish 9 merge another shot on Monday, assuming all goes well over the next 48 hours. We'll update regarding Pub9 closer to monday when we know for sure.

In the meantime, continue on Basilisk as you normally would. We'll be keeping an eye out on our side for any potential stability issues.

Keep in mind that we're still doing integrity checks on the database, if we run into any database corruption between now and then it's very likely that any progress you make this weekend will be lost when we revert to a backup. This is not guaranteed to occur, but be aware that it is definitely a possibility.

Good work, very much appreciated, I work in IT myself and I know how much backup and restores are tricky things!

[ebayne]

I am now reminded to back up my own SSD

[Chui]

I am now reminded to back up my own SSD

Better living through SWGEmu :)

[IxeStarwind]

Alright folks, update time. We've managed a recovery of the database and we've got everything copied over to our new SSD's. We're letting Bas run for the weekend as a stress test on the database to ensure there is no corruption that didn't pop up initially. This means that for this weekend, Basilisk is going to remain on Publish 8. We're looking to give the Publish 9 merge another shot on Monday, assuming all goes well over the next 48 hours. We'll update regarding Pub9 closer to monday when we know for sure.

In the meantime, continue on Basilisk as you normally would. We'll be keeping an eye out on our side for any potential stability issues.

Keep in mind that we're still doing integrity checks on the database, if we run into any database corruption between now and then it's very likely that any progress you make this weekend will be lost when we revert to a backup. This is not guaranteed to occur, but be aware that it is definitely a possibility.

That's great news! so , whats the new back-up disaster recovery plan for the long term? were new drives purchased? Amazon S3 50$ for 2TB monthly? some other plan in place? I would hope there is some cloud option. it would be good to know if this has been discussed so we don't have a repeat of the situation . thanks for all your hard work.

[Superser]

Very well done devs!
A question: basilisk is 1.1 TB of memory? That much? Wow!

[Reead]

Awesome news. Thanks to the entire dev team, but especially TheAnswer, for working so hard to recover the database. Excellent job. Fingers crossed that the server survives this weekend stress test.

[Jhunta]

great job guys. you are truly a cut above the rest. thank you for all of your hard work and dedication.

[Vikko]

Thank you profusely to the entire dev team for their hard work. Its a shame in a way that the rest of us who benefit from your efforts don't get a better view
of all the time and effort that goes into a project like this so that we would better appreciate the effort. Thanks for making this game possible for all of us to enjoy!

Vikko

[whisoo]

Great job! very happy indeed for the Devs that they've managed to retrieve the database and hope the stress testing will confirm it's all good and the project can move forward on Monday. Good luck!

:clap:

[TheAnswer]

That's great news! so , whats the new back-up disaster recovery plan for the long term? were new drives purchased? Amazon S3 50$ for 2TB monthly? some other plan in place? I would hope there is some cloud option. it would be good to know if this has been discussed so we don't have a repeat of the situation . thanks for all your hard work.

There will be a post mortem post with solutions when the dust settles.

[Dbrock]

So probably no Wipe then...

[Vlada]

So probably no Wipe then...

Oh there still is gonna be at least one, just later.

[jimmy]

jtl later or when dust settles :-p

[ebayne]

thanks for tuning out the noise getting the job done. it ain't always easy.

[chen-]

thanks for tuning out the noise getting the job done. it ain't always easy.

lol, we are an intense bunch of autists lol

[Edbacca]

I just want to have some beers and a sangwich with vlada!!!

[Vlada]

I just want to have some beers and a sangwich with vlada!!!

You wouldn't enjoy a sangwich with vlada. Vlada is a bit hard to swallow and digest, bitter AF too.

[Loc-nar]

You wouldn't enjoy a sangwich with vlada. Vlada is a bit hard to swallow and digest, bitter AF too.

How about hookers and cocaine on the island that is well funded with the dough that was for new SSDs but went to Dev Island rent?

[birdmanyo]

Any update as to whether they will have to revert to Friday's database?

[Fissile]

Oh there still is gonna be at least one, just later.

we can all delay our sip from the poison cult chalice. for now.

[Chui]

we can all delay our sip from the poison cult chalice. for now.



Does the chalice from the palace still hold the brew that is true?


"The Court Jester"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Ow69QWJmo

[Fissile]

Does the chalice from the palace still hold the brew that is true?


"The Court Jester"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Ow69QWJmo

:D:D:D:D

loved that.

[wren]

That's great news! so , whats the new back-up disaster recovery plan for the long term? were new drives purchased? Amazon S3 50$ for 2TB monthly? some other plan in place? I would hope there is some cloud option. it would be good to know if this has been discussed so we don't have a repeat of the situation . thanks for all your hard work.

Using object storage like S3 for a live databases is not a good idea. Read up on the differences between object storage and block storage. Object storage is great for things that need to be read frequently and written infrequently. A live data base is being written to often, this makes it a horrible choice for a data base.

[buellronin]

Pub9 and Jaime lanaster both died after their first battle last week

[birdmanyo]

Any news on the integrity of the database?

[Vlada]

Update from TA.


Its a 48 hour test, so its ongoing. But, no bad news so far.

[Vorgge]

As always, you guys doing an amazing job. Really appreciating, keep up the awesome work!

[birdmanyo]

Update from TA.


Thank you fellas for the work and update

[Tulak_Hord]

Thanks a lot :) You guys are great :)

[Misk Brebran]

Thanks for all your hard work during the outage last week and supervision of the database this weekend. You guys are awesome! Much appreciated and happy to be back!

[Misk Brebran]

Pub9 and Jaime lanaster both died after their first battle last week

he didnt die, just wanted a swim cuz it was SO hot outside in that armor!!!

[Agelk]

only problem he doggie paddles in circles

[buellronin]

only problem he doggie paddles in circles

Perhaps someone should lend him a hand

[stylish]

Mount and dot

[woodoonap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOhuK7aZayw

[ebayne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOhuK7aZayw

"There can be only one" is what got us into this mess.

[RokGod]

so no roll back?

[johnmol]

so no roll back?
Unless things get corrupted during the second merge attempt, probably not.

[Lostphoenix]

been down for 5 minutes now....done with the update yet?

[woodoonap]

7min 57sec

[NRay7882]

Thanks for your contributions to the thread. From the front page:


There's still a lot of potential for corruption or database issues to crop up that we haven't seen, so we're going to be taking some extra precautions in case those issues do pop up. Because of this, when the server is taken down, expect an extended downtime before it comes back up with the new publish.

[Dainamas]

"It is a period of coding struggles and SSD problems. Free workers, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory to restore freedom in the galaxy.
During the battle, coders managed to recode the whole galaxy from scrap. After many years of coding, It's a critical moment of truth, perhaps there will be a definite victory to bring the Force back into the universe. ...."

[Edbacca]

Dam it's up, that was quick!!

[woodoonap]

was it just a restart?

[Sergion]

no update yet? or is that not today, curious

[Vlada]

Dam it's up, that was quick!!

Since Basilisk was not restarted since we recovered the DB, devs want to see if it will shut down, save and then load again properly before they start backing it up and attempting to merge it with Pub 9 code.

[barrylw65]

Thought that was a bit quick. lol

[Edbacca]

Guess I was "premature" in thinking pub 9 launched. I'm never "premature"!!

[Vlada]

Guess I was "premature" in thinking pub 9 launched. I'm never "premature"!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4_Fefew78

[Thianraven]

Waits for Bas to do its thing and hopes that Nova will soon have JTLS

[Chui]

Waits for Bas to do its thing and hopes that Nova will soon have JTLS

Doubtful. The team has stated more than once that the ground game will be finished before JTL comes about and Mitzah was talking about maybe finishing ground game with publish 11.

[Vaevak]

looking forward to it!

[Thianraven]

Hey we pilot types can hope cant we? Maybe they will have mercy on all us grounded ones wanting to spread our wings again.

[nee2earth]

Let's wait until Pub9 is actually on Basilisk before we start speculating/worrying about JTL or 'Publish 11' or whatever.

No ETA's, gang. You know the drill.

p.s. No one and i mean no one wants JTL (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B03LcsiTCEGqOXFlV09odF9rdHM) more than I do. But first things first. Pub9 to Bas. Pub10 to Nova. Future in motion.

[hugoman]

Vlada, we need your magic words to make all well again. When will Basilisk be up and running?

[Chui]

Hey we pilot types can hope cant we? Maybe they will have mercy on all us grounded ones wanting to spread our wings again.

Oh I understand, I do. Had all nine Master Pilot Certificates with one character. It was fun to see a Wookiee flying the Imperial ships. ;)

[jediwl]

p.s. No one and i mean no one wants JTL (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B03LcsiTCEGqOXFlV09odF9rdHM) more than I do.

Oh really ? Were you a nine time ace ? Solo Lord Cyssc ? in an A-wing ?

More important do you plan to enter Deep Space ?

[nee2earth]

Oh really ? Were you a nine time ace ? Solo Lord Cyssc ? in an A-wing ?

More important do you plan to enter Deep Space ?

Yes. Yes. Yes. No. (i preferred M-22 Krayt Gunship and Tie Advanced)

And yes, everyday. (also ran Space Events on Shadowfire every Friday night for a while)

[jediwl]

Yes. Yes. Yes. No. (i preferred M-22 Krayt Gunship and Tie Advanced)

And yes, everyday. (also ran Space Events on Shadowfire every Friday night for a while)

I very much look forward to blasting you out of Deep Space.

[Swilliams]

Nee2earth, can we all expect an invitation to a space Yacht party when JTL is out?

[nee2earth]

Nee2earth, can we all expect an invitation to a space Yacht party when JTL is out?

Whenever the day comes that JTL testing begins in-earnest on TCNova, I suspect the 'Yacht parties' will be abundant.

Heck, most of our ole Vet community has been waiting for JTL even more so than Jedi.

[jharmison]

p.s. No one and i mean no one wants JTL (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B03LcsiTCEGqOXFlV09odF9rdHM) more than I do. But first things first. Pub9 to Bas. Pub10 to Nova. Future in motion.

Mostly, I got from this that internet connections have come a long way. I don't have any handy screenshots laying around of my 04/05 gameplay experiences with latency showing, but god that looks awful. I vaguely remember everything sucking a bit, just hadn't realized how much.

[Bostwain]

p.s. No one and i mean no one wants JTL

Sweet one step closer to Suncrusher.

[Edbacca]

Did vlada say happy ending? I need a massage!!!

[Lolindir]

Well, if you need a massage.... Find a cantina....

Ps. Vlada is sleeping and so should I. Its 4.30 in the morning here in Europe

[greyjeth]

Well, if you need a massage.... Find a cantina....

Ps. Vlada is sleeping and so should I. Its 4.30 in the morning here in Europe

You have my sympathies.

[Evir]

Whenever the day comes that JTL testing begins in-earnest on TCNova, I suspect the 'Yacht parties' will be abundant.

Heck, most of our ole Vet community has been waiting for JTL even more so than Jedi.

That is because Jedi are boring, the game is much better without Jedi at all.

[MobiusDicious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4_Fefew78

That was awfully bleak, lol.

[Smoki]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/LXP19BrVaOOgE/giphy.gif

Spoiler alert.

[Jhackman]

Wipe Wipe Wipe!

[shubaz]

Thank you

[woodoonap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCS19EOsrA

[Cryva]

Any updates?

Is everything going according to plan or crashing?

[Vlada]

pub 9 merge started

[Edbacca]

A "happy ending " or wait a "happy beginnings " is upon us!!!!

[buellronin]

A "happy ending " or wait a "happy beginnings " is upon us!!!!

Happy endings are good.

[FurytheOriginal]

Yea for our side

[PeterAusStuhr]

pub 9 merge started

hooray

[Shroudedpast]

Hope the merge goes well ^^

[Jervin]

pub 9 merge started

I had a good laugh...

[woodoonap]

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag35/Maximilian_Hofmeister/merge-ned_zps04f96d88.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/Maximilian_Hofmeister/media/merge-ned_zps04f96d88.jpg.html)

[laminouk]

A "happy ending " or wait a "happy beginnings " is upon us!!!!


I dont normaly quote people but this is how i feel.

In swg history, the code has never been so good, the community so "tuned" to what we have and can have. In a small or large way we have all been apart of a legacy.


Devs, comm officers, Server admins ect. I thank you humbly for the life you spend on making our lives and the others to follow truly a galatic experance.
you guys rock.

Happy ending or happy beginings may the force be with you.... Always.

[lurch1313]

http://randomville.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ren-n-stimpy.gif

[pie123]

I'm so excited! How long does the merging process typically last?

[Mistress Aerea]

I'm so excited! How long does the merging process typically last?

There's no way to tell. Usually merges take a good part of the day, then for the next few days the server is fairly unstable and goes up and down a lot.

This time, however, things are probably going to take a lot longer. I imagine there are some extra backup precautions being taken, and a new navmesh system to load. All of that will add hours and hours to the down time.

[Lostphoenix]

I have my fingers, toes, and a few other "random" body parts all crossed to send the server some good luck. Hopefully it comes up soon, its starting to hurt a little

[Corden53]

Very excited for this update. This will definitely go down as one of Basilisk's most historic and memorable moments. This update will be very exciting for a lot of people. I know Jedi being in the game comes with its own set of issues, but there's no doubt that the first handful of months after Publish 9 will be a blast (and hopefully well beyond). I'll be playing Sonic Mania while I wait. =)

[Tunkson]

Very excited for this update. This will definitely go down as one of Basilisk's most historic and memorable moments. This update will be very exciting for a lot of people. I know Jedi being in the game comes with its own set of issues, but there's no doubt that the first handful of months after Publish 9 will be a blast (and hopefully well beyond). I'll be playing Sonic Mania while I wait. =)

I would love to disagree with this, but since you didn't specially say "one of the best moments" (at which point I would have pointed out other moments that could surpass this one) I have no choice but to agree with you.

Though, I like to think that the biggest reason this is so memorable as you want to call it, is not solely because of Jedi (although that plays a big factor) but because there was so much at stake here since the server just as easily could be wiped. There is no shortage of people that want this server to be wiped, just like there is no shortage of people that want Jedi to be on the server. The wipe will lead to players leaving, but also people coming, and implementation will lead to some people coming back. No matter which way it goes, lots of people will be happy and a not-so-small amount of people will be disappointed or pissed.

(Funny how literally no one has commented on the fact that Corvettes are going to be in)

[ecp]

...and a new navmesh system to load.
What is this and what does this do for the project? It sounds like it does something. :kitty:

[gozirraizroose]

ecp, a navmesh is what aids mobs in pathing. It lets the bad guys go around a rock, for instance, instead of through (or getting stuck in).

[Chui]

What is this and what does this do for the project? It sounds like it does something. :kitty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_mesh

an abstract data structure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_data_structure) used in artificial intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence) applications to aid agents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent) in pathfinding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinding) through complicated spaces.

Sounds like improved pathing of NPCs and mobs.

[ecp]

Ahhhh, thanks!

[Corden53]

I would love to disagree with this, but since you didn't specially say "one of the best moments" (at which point I would have pointed out other moments that could surpass this one) I have no choice but to agree with you.

Though, I like to think that the biggest reason this is so memorable as you want to call it, is not solely because of Jedi (although that plays a big factor) but because there was so much at stake here since the server just as easily could be wiped. There is no shortage of people that want this server to be wiped, just like there is no shortage of people that want Jedi to be on the server. The wipe will lead to players leaving, but also people coming, and implementation will lead to some people coming back. No matter which way it goes, lots of people will be happy and a not-so-small amount of people will be disappointed or pissed.

(Funny how literally no one has commented on the fact that Corvettes are going to be in)

I did leave out "best" for a reason. I admit, I tried to remain neutral and a bit vague on my opinion on Jedi being finally being implemented as a whole. As I said, there's a host of issues and concerns associated with Jedi in Star Wars Galaxies. It's been discussed to death in game, on Youtube, the forums and so on. I have really no interest in discussing it further in this thread and being a killjoy for people awaiting the update. The game for me has grown a bit stale in its current state, so I definitely look forward to the new content--even if it brings consequences. There's no doubt that for a large amount of people on the server Jedi and JTL are highly, highly anticipated implements. Jedi is certainly more controversial than JTL because it can still affect those who choose to ignore it. But I'm getting off topic.

I'm just glad the update is finally almost here. I'm sure a lot of people are glad the wipe didn't need to happen (as of yet, anyway), but it wouldn't really bother me if it had.

[Cryva]

Soon.....

[PirdoMatanda]

Running out of pr0n to watch, waiting for server to go back up.

[daxxvacine]

(Funny how literally no one has commented on the fact that Corvettes are going to be in)

WOAH! Corvettes are going to be in?

[bigevil]

"- Added the Corellian Corvette dungeon and associated quests and loot"

:)

[DDSilver]

"- Added the Corellian Corvette dungeon and associated quests and loot"

:)

There is a berserker rifle out there with my riflemans name written all over it!

[Ra1led]

There is a berserker rifle out there with my riflemans name written all over it!

Which is basically a showpiece unless you can get your hands on some 200+ damage Gorax shards...I made this one on the TC with 42 damage spider fangs
http://i.imgur.com/vstZxqA.png

[bigevil]

Always thought it should have been higher AP. 2 or 3 maybe.

[Fissile]

so...has it been possible to spell out BASILISK with all the blow bought with donations the last few days? :)

[Ra1led]

Always thought it should have been higher AP. 2 or 3 maybe.

None of the Heat damage weapons in the game have any AP. FWG5, Berserker, Flamethrower and EE3 Carbine all AP0

[Jackleware]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_mesh

an abstract data structure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_data_structure) used in artificial intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence) applications to aid agents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent) in pathfinding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinding) through complicated spaces.

Sounds like improved pathing of NPCs and mobs.

Dear goodness, I hope this stops the Tuskens at the fort from running through and shooting through walls.

[RickySpanish]

My body is ready for update 7

[FWHJames]

Those Rifles Suck but yes I want one also.

[Cryva]

I'm so excited! How long does the merging process typically last?

As long as everything runs smoothly it will be up within the next 24-48 hours but not sure how long they will have it locked.

[risenangel]

Dear goodness, I hope this stops the Tuskens at the fort from running through and shooting through walls.

Indoor/outdoor transitions still need work, so some of that will still happen, but tuskens should be a tiny bit smarter. Ft Tusken is one of the places I actually complained about when I was testing the navmesh system all over the world on Nova. So no, it won't fix everything wrong with the fort. It'll fix some of it, but not all of it.

[DMP]

Indoor/outdoor transitions still need work, so some of that will still happen, but tuskens should be a tiny bit smarter. Ft Tusken is one of the places I actually complained about when I was testing the navmesh system all over the world on Nova. So no, it won't fix everything wrong with the fort. It'll fix some of it, but not all of it.

Yes I can confirm this , there are still some problems , but it s much better .

[Stevewright1990]

Here's a random question... what do harvesters do during a 2-3 day down time? I have no Dev knowledge so I assume time just stops at the point of shut down and then continues once we are live again? Like someone's hit pause and then play again 3 days later?

Last of everyone's worries I'm sure, just curious :)

[Chui]

Here's a random question... what do harvesters do during a 2-3 day down time? I have no Dev knowledge so I assume time just stops at the point of shut down and then continues once we are live again? Like someone's hit pause and then play again 3 days later?

Last of everyone's worries I'm sure, just curious :)

Actually they do exactly what they do while the server is up - nothing. There is nothing in the hopper until you open it, then the game figures the time (according to the server clock) since the harvester was turned on and calculates the amount of resource that should be in the hopper and displays it.

And since most server clocks are synched to UTC, the result in the hopper is the same whether the server was up or not during the preceding days.

[Stevewright1990]

That's actually really interesting! Thanks Chui :-)

[Jaws]

Actually they do exactly what they do while the server is up - nothing. There is nothing in the hopper until you open it, then the game figures the time (according to the server clock) since the harvester was turned on and calculates the amount of resource that should be in the hopper and displays it.

And since most server clocks are synched to UTC, the result in the hopper is the same whether the server was up or not during the preceding days.

My 2 cents - it's always a good habit to pull non-critical harvs before merges since you have no idea how long the server may be down.

[Swilliams]

Any news about the server? Havent seen any new posts or updates anywhere.

[greyjeth]

Any news about the server? Havent seen any new posts or updates anywhere.

My experience is to hope for the best, but expect the worst. I hope things are alright with the server and that things are just taking a slow, yet safe, road.

[Stevewright1990]

Any news about the server? Havent seen any new posts or updates anywhere.

Dread to think how late the team will be up just working, no time to post.. I'm in the UK and it's 3.30am now and I know they around the same time zone and probably still up and going at it (sorting the update I mean 😑). Saying that keen to know if I can look forward to logging on when I get home from work in 20 hours lol. I will continue with an unhealthy habit of refreshing the home page every 15 minutes til then 😉

[Quick]

Any news about the server? Havent seen any new posts or updates anywhere.

Could we please get an update on the home page - the old notes from last week are still up.

Thanks

[Avelek]

Join the discord scurby has been in there all night giving updates. There's not much to update though. It's taking a while as it was expected.

[FWHJames]

Come on this post only has 50 pages. That is weak. Lets make it hit 100 before the server is back up. Just no questions about JTL its not here yet. Oh and no you cannot get Blue Frogs to do Jedi on Test server. OH and you can only ask for a update once a page.

[Cryva]

Soon.......

[Falloutkikah]

I'm way to anxious to know not only the outcome, but the status. It's hard being patient sometimes. lol

[JacktheGreat05]

So, random thing to note... state defenses WILL OFFICIALLY WORK PROPERLY against non-player targets, as of publish 9.

I am officially excited for this change. No more permanent dizzy/blind/stun/intimidate on my tanking character.

I tried it out on Nova after reading the publish 9 patch notes. I fought 5 Sith Shadow Pirates all at once, immediately followed by 2 Sith Shadow Thugs at the same time (spawned on top of me). During the 20-ish minute battle (ran through a full buff cycle of pikatta pie and citros snowcake), I only got hit by knockdown 3 times, blind 3 or 4 times, and stun 3 or 4 times. All of my state resists on my defense stacker build are around 100, with the exception of indtimidate resist.

[Cryva]

R.I.P Basilisk :(

[Shroudedpast]

According to vlada the downtime will last for 48h minimum, if i understood his post correctly

[Cryva]

I would be off work when the server is down lol

[KezJona89]

Does he know something I don't or is he just being dramatic?

[Nikaty]

Does he know something I don't or is he just being dramatic?

he has a personal relationship with the server gods. They tell him what he needs to know to feed us travelers.

[Sualtan]

Im just asking: with pubblish 9 on Basilisk will we have JTL on Nova Test Server?

[jediwl]

Oh and no you cannot get Blue Frogs to do Jedi on Test server.

That's not what he said, he said you can but it was not easy.