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A Non-Jedi's Guide to Crystals and Pearls - From the Getting to the Selling   [ Edited ]
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I have been a crystal/pearl (Hearafter called roundy or roundies) merchant 6 months now.  This is some of the knowlege I have accumulated during this time.  For a good buyer's guide, go to this post.
Crystals come in two forms: colored crystals, and clear crystals.  Colored crystals determine which color the light saber is.  Clear crystals determine how much damage the light saber does, and how much force it takes to do special attacks with it.  Pearls are the same as clear crystals.  They go into the same slot in the Light Saber, and serve the same funcition.
 
When you loot a roundy, all it will say is its condition.  Condition goes roughly from 700 to 1250. I have never seen a roundy outside these boundries, but I have read something that says they can go from 700-1400. The condition of the roundy has NO EFFECT on what the actual quality is or how it will tune.  Just like your weapons, Jedi like more condition because it means their light saber will last longer.
A roundy's quality determins roughly how well it will tune. The higher the quality, the more likely it is to get a good tune. The quality of a roundy is determined by the dificulty of the mob that drops it. Unless you are a Jedi, you cannot see what the quality is. In order to determine the quality, you will need to find a jedi, and put the roundies up in the trade window.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO COMPLETELY TRADE THE ROUNDIES TO THE JEDI IN ORDER FOR HIM OR HER TO TELL YOU WHAT THE QUALITY OF IT IS.  All you need to do is put it up in the window and the Jedi can tell you. 
 
Roundy Drops:  Elders drop premium crystals; Singing Mountain Clan Gaurdians drop Select crystals; Spell Weavers, Protectors and SMC Arch Witches drop quality crystals; Sentinals and Stalkers drop good (rangers might as well) crystals; and initiates drop fair crystals.  Senturies probably drop fair crystals as well.  Mokks/Jantas drop fair or poor crystals.  I do not know what Tuskens or other high level npc's drop, if someone would like to fill me in, I will add the info.  Krayt Juvaniles drop quality pearls, and the rest drop premium pearls.  I know ancients can drop flawless, but I do not know if giant or canyon Krayts drop flawless. 
 
In order to be easy on yourself and better keep track of what you get, you should track of the conditions of the roundies that are dropped according to what dropped them.  The condition of the roundy is basically its serial #.  It helps you keep them appart. You will need to loot for a long while before you get two roundies with identical conditions.  Even if you keep track of what drops what, it is good Karma to get the roundies appraised anyway.  Nothing is more embarasing than showing up to a trade, and handing over the wrong roundies.
 
Be very cautious.  Just because Luke Skywalker shows all the positive virtues that any mother would like her child to have does not mean that the Jedi you talk to is trustworthy. 
 
True story that happened to me:  I looted three crystals, and i kept track of which crystal an Elder had dropped.  This was before i knew what dropped what.  I got back to town, and asked for a Jedi to appraise the crystals.  One volunteered.  He said I had two quality and a fair.  He identified the fair as the crystal dropped by the Elder (identified it by condition).  He said he needed a fair crystal for a grinding LS he was making.  At the time, I didn't know that Elders only drop premium crystals, but his low appraisal and desire to buy made me instantly suspecious.  I told him that the crystals were for a friend, and kept it.  I immediately found another Jedi and got a second opinion.  Sure enough, Premium.  I got even, and if you would like to hear how, PM me.  Quite humorous, and totaly within the user agreement.
 
The moral of the story is, either a)  Tell the Jedi up front you WILL NOT sell him or her the roundy s/he appraises, and tip him or her 30k for the service rendered; or b) Get a second opinion before you sell to a Jedi.  B is better.  Telling the Jedi you will get a second opinion is probably the best option of all. If you do not follow one or both of these rules, you have only yourself to blame when you get swindeled out of millions of credits. 
 
Once a Jedi gets the roundy, he or she can tune it.  Tuning is a one time event and is totaly random.  It is like slicing (accept with less exploits).  The only thing is, once a roundy is tuned, it can ONLY BE USED BY THE JEDI THAT TUNED IT.  You can tell a tuned roundy, it will appear A Krayt Dragon Pearl (tuned).  The lettering will be green, just like my example.  So if a Jedi tells you he has changed his mind about buying the roundy, and would like to give it back for a refund, refuse.  The crystal is basically a house decoration at this point.  A refund would be like asking a weaponsmith to refund money spent on a weapon that got a bad slice.  If he complains about getting bad tunes and demands some money back, tell him to go read the smuggler's forums, and he can see some real bad luck (the smuggler's forum is where everyone posts their bad slice stories).
 
I will not comment on pricing at this time. Each galaxy has different values for each level of roundy. The market is also in a state of change at this time, so prices would be out dated the moment i quoted them. Pearls are going to be more common due to the Krayt boom, increasing the roundy supply. But at the same time, more FS grinders unlock their Jedi every phase, increasing the demand for new roundies.  The market will probably go down a little, but don't expect it to bottom out.  There is too much demand for this product.
 
I hope you all get murdered by Krayts and Elders so I can keep scalping my roundies for their presant prices . Good luck, and keep an eye on your Battle Fatigue and armor condition.

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Excellent post! Thanks for all the helpful insights!
I, too, know someone that was conned out of some premium crystals by an unscrupulous Jedi - buyer AND seller beware! lol
And please E-mail me about your 'revenge' - I am in need of a  good smile!
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Great post very clear, and well laid out.
 
Just  a quick question does anyone know the resists of krayt dragon and or where i could find out?
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TheZombieBob wrote:
Great post very clear, and well laid out.
 
Just  a quick question does anyone know the resists of krayt dragon and or where i could find out?
thanks



Juvanile:  Not much at all (Don't remember)

Canyon:  60% to everything but Cold 30% (I think it is 30) HEAVY

Giant:  70% to everything but Cold 40%(?) HEAVY

Ancient:  90 or 95% to everything with lower Cold (Only ever seen one, so i don't remember) HEAVY


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Juvies have 70% against energy / kinetic, the rest 10% and ancients have 95% across the board.



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toltol wrote:
Juvies have 70% against energy / kinetic, the rest 10% and ancients have 95% across the board.


Great info, thanks for supplying it.  Wow, i never would have guessed 70% for juves.  I do blast, so i never noticed lol.


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Some corrections concerning my previous posting, checked again and juvies have medium armor, 70% energy / kinetic, 10% cold, the rest 15% and ancients have heavy armor (of course ) 95% against everything except cold - 65%.



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This is really good Info.  5* for you.

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Since these are droping again, I'll bump this for general info.


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just let a jedi you know check them

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TheZombieBob wrote:

Great post very clear, and well laid out.

 

Just  a quick question does anyone know the resists of krayt dragon and or where i could find out?

thanks







 

 

Excellent original post, thanks!

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Milgram wrote:
Once a Jedi gets the roundy, he or she can tune it.  Tuning is a one time event and is totaly random.  It is like slicing (accept with less exploits).  The only thing is, once a roundy is tuned, it can ONLY BE USED BY THE JEDI THAT TUNED IT.  So if a Jedi tells you he has changed his mind about buying the roundy, and would like to give it back for a refund, refuse.  The crystal is basically a house decoration at this point.  If he complains about getting bad tunes and demands some money back, tell him to go read the smuggler's forums, and he can see some real bad luck.
 



First of all, I don't agree with anyone asking for money back for something when it doesn't turn out like they want.   It's a risk you take with everything you buy regardless of what it is.    However, I also don't agree with the above highlighted statement.   It serves no real purpose but to agitate the jedi and thus hurting your reputation with them.  I'm not saying that you should give them money back at all....no don't do that....but I am saying that you can politely tell them before the sell that regardless of how it tunes, there is no refund and that they are taking a risk with the amount they are paying for the crystal/pearl.   Nothing more needs to be discussed then.
 
The main reason I don't agree with telling them to go look at the smuggler forums is that tuning crystals and slicing don't compare in risk or cost at all.   you go get a weapon or suit of armor sliced and pay between 3k - 10k depending on the smuggler.   EVen if you get a whole suit of armor sliced, you never spend more than 100k unless you keep buying armor and getting it sliced looking for a particular slice.   
 
Tuning crystals/pearls is completely different.....the process is the same but the cost is very different.   You buy a crystal for a few million and get a bad tune.....that is not bad luck compared to slicing as a smuggler that's down right ridiculous.....5k for a speed slice on a krayt weapon is disappointing or was back in the days (I know, I just got a 30% speed slice on a krayt dxr6 rifle 2 days ago and I'm a speed capped rifleman...I paid 3k per 10% and so ended up paying 9k for the slice)....but with the spawn rate of krayts and the amount of tissues you can get in a buff session completely takes the dagger out of your chest from getting a bad slice on a krayt weapon.   When you have enought tissues to just go make another one, it lessons the blow....especially because tissues are so easy to get now (just go hunt juvi's all day and you'll get nothing but tissues and scales..they don't drop pearls anymore).
 
However, getting a bad tune on a premium crystal that you paid 3 million for is far worse than any kind of smuggler slice there is.    You can go run 1 mission to pay for possibly 2 slices from a smuggler......it can take you days to weeks to months to make enough millions to either out bid someone for a crystal or make enough to buy one from someone depending on how much you play the game each day.....even then, with such bad tuning process, you may need to buy 10, 20 or more crystals/pearls.   Although, with the krayt spawns, it's bringing the prices down, they still are 100 times higher than what it cost to slice a weapon or armor.
 
So making a reference to tuning crystals/pearls with that of slicing just does not do anything but agitate jedi against those non-jedi who are selling crystals and pearls and have no idea what a jedi goes through just to get a decent tune.    A jedi can easily spend 50 million before they get enough crystals tuned properly to be truely useful,  they need to lower their force cost enough so that they don't run out of force in pvp and die and lose 200k or more  xp.....but a bad sliced weapon or armor will not cost any player even 1% of what it cost a jedi with badly tuned crystals or pearls, nor will they suffer such a negative penalty....so it is unfair to jedi and smugglers to put them both in the same boat when talking about tuning and slicing.  Yes! the process is the same, but everything else is worlds apart.
 
Other than this little descrepancy, you have a nice little guide for beginners though.
 
 
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Milgram wrote:
Once a Jedi gets the roundy, he or she can tune it.  Tuning is a one time event and is totaly random.  It is like slicing (accept with less exploits).  The only thing is, once a roundy is tuned, it can ONLY BE USED BY THE JEDI THAT TUNED IT.  So if a Jedi tells you he has changed his mind about buying the roundy, and would like to give it back for a refund, refuse.  The crystal is basically a house decoration at this point.  If he complains about getting bad tunes and demands some money back, tell him to go read the smuggler's forums, and he can see some real bad luck.
 



First of all, I don't agree with anyone asking for money back for something when it doesn't turn out like they want.   It's a risk you take with everything you buy regardless of what it is.    However, I also don't agree with the above highlighted statement.   It serves no real purpose but to agitate the jedi and thus hurting your reputation with them.  I'm not saying that you should give them money back at all....no don't do that....but I am saying that you can politely tell them before the sell that regardless of how it tunes, there is no refund and that they are taking a risk with the amount they are paying for the crystal/pearl.   Nothing more needs to be discussed then.
 
The main reason I don't agree with telling them to go look at the smuggler forums is that tuning crystals and slicing don't compare in risk or cost at all.   you go get a weapon or suit of armor sliced and pay between 3k - 10k depending on the smuggler.   EVen if you get a whole suit of armor sliced, you never spend more than 100k unless you keep buying armor and getting it sliced looking for a particular slice.   
 
Tuning crystals/pearls is completely different.....the process is the same but the cost is very different.   You buy a crystal for a few million and get a bad tune.....that is not bad luck compared to slicing as a smuggler that's down right ridiculous.....5k for a speed slice on a krayt weapon is disappointing or was back in the days (I know, I just got a 30% speed slice on a krayt dxr6 rifle 2 days ago and I'm a speed capped rifleman...I paid 3k per 10% and so ended up paying 9k for the slice)....but with the spawn rate of krayts and the amount of tissues you can get in a buff session completely takes the dagger out of your chest from getting a bad slice on a krayt weapon.   When you have enought tissues to just go make another one, it lessons the blow....especially because tissues are so easy to get now (just go hunt juvi's all day and you'll get nothing but tissues and scales..they don't drop pearls anymore).
 
However, getting a bad tune on a premium crystal that you paid 3 million for is far worse than any kind of smuggler slice there is.    You can go run 1 mission to pay for possibly 2 slices from a smuggler......it can take you days to weeks to months to make enough millions to either out bid someone for a crystal or make enough to buy one from someone depending on how much you play the game each day.....even then, with such bad tuning process, you may need to buy 10, 20 or more crystals/pearls.   Although, with the krayt spawns, it's bringing the prices down, they still are 100 times higher than what it cost to slice a weapon or armor.
 
So making a reference to tuning crystals/pearls with that of slicing just does not do anything but agitate jedi against those non-jedi who are selling crystals and pearls and have no idea what a jedi goes through just to get a decent tune.    A jedi can easily spend 50 million before they get enough crystals tuned properly to be truely useful,  they need to lower their force cost enough so that they don't run out of force in pvp and die and lose 200k or more  xp.....but a bad sliced weapon or armor will not cost any player even 1% of what it cost a jedi with badly tuned crystals or pearls, nor will they suffer such a negative penalty....so it is unfair to jedi and smugglers to put them both in the same boat when talking about tuning and slicing.  Yes! the process is the same, but everything else is worlds apart.
 
Other than this little descrepancy, you have a nice little guide for beginners though.
 
 



I actually had a jedi buyout two premium crystal auctions for 5 million (buyout, folks, buyout.  He paid 5 million each because he chose to.  The min bid was 500k).  He tuned both, and got very bad tunes.  He told me that due to the dumb tuning system, premiums don't tune very well, and asked for half his money back.  I said no, and he started talking about how bad his luck sucked, and could I give him a break.  No.  I was very professional, and told him that it isn't fair to ask the weaponsmith for a refund because the weapon sliced bad, so it wasn't right to ask me to do the same.  So, to get even, he started bidding up a 25 million credit auction I was bidding on, even though he was 5 million in debt to a friend for the crystals he had bought from me.  You can deal with most jedi very professional manner.  A fiew though, they will take advantage of you however they can, because George Lucas appeared to them in a dream, and told them to be the server's mostest l33test player, no matter what.  Just be aware of it, and be prepared to defend yourself as the occasion may demand. 

As for my remark about going to the smuggler's forums, if you want to see bad luck, that is the place to go.  When people get a string of good slices, they boast on the combat profession forums.  If they get bad slices, one after another, they complain on the smuggler's forums.  The Jedi forums are about 50/50, with some boasting, and others complaining.  You are right, asking your money back from the smuggler is dumb.  It is not what i meant.  The analogy I had in mind is asking for your money back from the weaponsmith who sold you the weapon, or the guy who sold you the 150/200 acklay bones.


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Milgram wrote:
I have been a crystal/pearl (Hearafter called roundy or roundies) merchant 6 months now.  This is some of the knowlege I have accumulated during this time.  For a good buyer's guide, go to this post.
Crystals come in two forms: colored crystals, and clear crystals.  Colored crystals determine which color the light saber is.  Clear crystals determine how much damage the light saber does, and how much force it takes to do special attacks with it.  Pearls are the same as clear crystals.  They go into the same slot in the Light Saber, and serve the same funcition.
 
When you loot a roundy, all it will say is its condition.  Condition goes roughly from 750 to 1250. I have never seen a roundy outside these boundries, but I have read something that says they can go from 700-1400. The condition of the roundy has NO EFFECT on what the actual quality is or how it will tune.  Just like your weapons, Jedi like more condition because it means their light saber will last longer.
A roundy's quality determins roughly how well it will tune. The higher the quality, the more likely it is to get a good tune. The quality of a roundy is determined by the dificulty of the mob that drops it. Unless you are a Jedi, you cannot see what the quality is. In order to determine the quality, you will need to find a jedi, and put the roundies up in the trade window.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO COMPLETELY TRADE THE ROUNDIES TO THE JEDI IN ORDER FOR HIM OR HER TO TELL YOU WHAT THE QUALITY OF IT IS.  All you need to do is put it up in the window and the Jedi can tell you. 


rumours are true that they go down to 700.  ive got a white from a tusken condition 714, so i imagine it goes all the way down to 700.

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