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Re: Petition to make jedi an alpha class again!
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/sign times infinity
 

Thanks for supporting the cause!
I have my own opinions of the NGE but I am not at liberty to express them.

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04-22-2006 06:34 PM  

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There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.
04-22-2006 06:39 PM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.

Jedi should have never been a starting class, it gives people something to strive for....

As for an alpha class... the harder it is to attain power the more satisfying the rewards are for it

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


Thats like saying there should never be a sandbox type game...

Thats been tried and found being wanted back...

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04-22-2006 06:41 PM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


And another point... There can be a alpha class in games and in life... there just has to be things in place to keep it in check.

Although this would refer to a SIM type game... which as I can tell you seem to not know anything about anymore.

There is somthing to be said for the older version of this game.. it was ahead of it's time that is for sure..

Checks and Balances can always make things even... you just have to know how to add them.

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04-22-2006 06:43 PM  

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Next year SOE will execute order 666 and all Jedi chars will be deleted!
 
Starting a new char from scratch is so Star Warsy and iconic!
04-22-2006 06:46 PM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


maybe, but the original system of "perma death" with some tweaking would have been fine

now there is nothing to work for, no feeling of being in a world enviroment....everything that was great and set this game apart is gone

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


Helios at this point... I have to wonder while you seem to be concearned now about things... and more so then ever (I always have to wonder SINCE your so damn vocal now)

Where in the Hell were you when we needed Devs, when we had ideas and yet we never saw one thing posted from you people.

I have to wonder now just how much value your words have since you seemed to be absent here for the first 2.8 years only to show up for the defense of the NGE..

You of all people should have been posting about 6 months ago things along the lines of "Hey we are going to be pushing you into a new combat system" , Instead of 6 months later posting crap about your views on how a Alpha class in a multiplayer game should not exsist.  It did just fine and with things in place to make it worthy of that it did work. 

You say Alpha classes in a multiplayer game can't work..  

I say Devs that lie and misslead thier loyal fanbase SHOULD Not be able to work.... period.

Am I lying?   Did I promise you anything?  No-- sir you promised me and us.... do NOT forget that.

 

 

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04-22-2006 06:54 PM  

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adamrk wrote:


Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


Helios at this point... I have to wonder while you seem to be concearned now about things... and more so then ever (I always have to wonder SINCE your so damn vocal now)

Where in the Hell were you when we needed Devs, when we had ideas and yet we never saw one thing posted from you people.

I have to wonder now just how much value your words have since you seemed to be absent here for the first 2.8 years only to show up for the defense of the NGE..

You of all people should have been posting about 6 months ago things along the lines of "Hey we are going to be pushing you into a new combat system" , Instead of 6 months later posting crap about your views on how a Alpha class in a multiplayer game should not exsist.  It did just fine and with things in place to make it worthy of that it did work. 

You say Alpha classes in a multiplayer game can't work..  

I say Devs that lie and misslead thier loyal fanbase SHOULD Not be able to work.... period.

Am I lying?   Did I promise you anything?  No-- sir you promised me and us.... do NOT forget that.

 

 

Message Edited by adamrk on 04-22-2006 08:55 PM


Because the NGE is failing miserably... It's not that i don't hate the NGE, I do, but there's nothing I can do about it now. The CU was so long ago....

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04-22-2006 06:57 PM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


 What of destroying the ideal of Jedi from the movies? Should that ever happen?  Should it ever happen that some players spent over a year (perhaps even longer) to get to that 'found wanting' thing, and have it taken away.  I never wanted to be Ub3r, but I fail to see how reducing Jedi to such a mundane level is either 'Star Warsy' or 'Iconic".

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Jedi is an alpha class...

alpha referring to the beginning of the alphabet, would indicate at the beginning, therefore making jedi an alpha class would be making them a starting class. alpha as it refers to animals such as monkeys indicates them as the first, number one or leader, though in most circumstances this would make them the most powerful, that isn't the intended meaning of alpha.

an exceptionally more powerful class would be better better termed the omega class. The end all, or final class.

and personally I don't like my profession being grouped with terminology for monkeys.

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LegendaryOne wrote:

Jedi is an alpha class...

alpha referring to the beginning of the alphabet, would indicate at the beginning, therefore making jedi an alpha class would be making them a starting class. alpha as it refers to animals such as monkeys indicates them as the first, number one or leader, though in most circumstances this would make them the most powerful, that isn't the intended meaning of alpha.

an exceptionally more powerful class would be better better termed the omega class. The end all, or final class.

and personally I don't like my profession being grouped with terminology for monkeys.


 Well, not exactly:  From Wikipedia.  Alpha class


The status of the alpha is generally achieved by means of superior physical prowess. However, in certain highly social species such as the bonobo, a contender can use more indirect methods, such as political alliances, to oust the ruling alpha and take his/her place.


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Helios_SOE wrote:
There should never be an alpha class in a multiplayer game.  It's been tried and found wanting.


please dont ever post again, you have got to be the worst dev when it comes to PR
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delanstarrunner wrote:

LegendaryOne wrote:

Jedi is an alpha class...

alpha referring to the beginning of the alphabet, would indicate at the beginning, therefore making jedi an alpha class would be making them a starting class. alpha as it refers to animals such as monkeys indicates them as the first, number one or leader, though in most circumstances this would make them the most powerful, that isn't the intended meaning of alpha.

an exceptionally more powerful class would be better better termed the omega class. The end all, or final class.

and personally I don't like my profession being grouped with terminology for monkeys.


 Well, not exactly:  From Wikipedia.  Alpha class


The status of the alpha is generally achieved by means of superior physical prowess. However, in certain highly social species such as the bonobo, a contender can use more indirect methods, such as political alliances, to oust the ruling alpha and take his/her place.



same source:

Alpha, both as a symbol and term, is used to refer to or describe a variety of things, including the first or most significant occurrence of something.

and I was just kidding =P I like to tease the whiners

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