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Re: Duping Credits in SWG ! Possible ?
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mtyler123
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I'm not going to weigh in on the selling characters or duping (which I vehemently oppose) issues, but I do want to let anyone else who thinks that letting someone else click the 'accept' button is some nifty little loophole around the EULA - that is just plain dumb...

The character account is registered to someone (and because they make you get at least one month of subscribtion - they have someones name) and the use of that account means that either that person, or someone he has let use his account (even to click a box) has consented to the EULA.

And if he knows the ropes as well as he claims... he would know that his knowledge of the terms of the EULA (which he admitted), and his playing the game (which he also admitted) is enough for SOE to nail the contract on him. Whether or not they enforce it is clearly up to them, but PLEASE no one else read this thread and think that our legal system is so easily tricked as to let you look the other way while your friend, or your dog, or your imaginary pet dragon click the 'accept' botton.

07-11-2003 12:52 PM  

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JayMay15,

I emailed him because I just can't stand ebayers when it comes to games. Whether on Ebay or Playerauctions or whatever. They ruin the game for most of us. The only thing worse than an ebayer, is the person who buys / bids on the account. They are the ones that condone this action, and I personally think its dispicable. I have the freedom of speech so I used it to let him know how I felt about him breaking a legaly binding contract.

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07-11-2003 02:23 PM  

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LittleLisa
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Seriously, if he could Dupe money he would have more than 10k creds for sale and more than a newbie account in bone armour.

The guy has Rifle specialist only, nothing special. 10k and some bone armour. If you worked hard sure you could duplicate this in a day or 2, some could sooner.

 

 

07-11-2003 03:07 PM  

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If there's a dupe, send it in, and we'll fix it so fast your head will spin.

That said, if this guy has only duped 10k credits, I'm skeptical. 10k credits can be earned by doing missions in no time at all. If he were duping, I'd expect to see millions...

-Raph Koster
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Also, ex-Creative Director of SWG

02-05-2007 03:41 PM  

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I disagree Holocron.  If I was going to cheat by duping money (which I don't condone), I would do small amounts at a time.  I would only dupe what I neede at that point in time. i.e. buying expensive armor, or a house or a shuttle ticket etc.  So, you may want to keep an eye out for those types as well.

 

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07-11-2003 03:53 PM  

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SolrFlare
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Cthulu: I had that happen to..but it won't let you sell those items again because the serial number is identical, nor can you do anything with the duplicates.  And after a few logs they should just up and vanish.  Likewise for duplicate money.

I *have* had the item dupe happen with a connection lost with items on the bazaar, its kinda of messy at first, but it sorts its way out without destroying and the duplicated stuff can not be used in any way.

Now it might work with money but I have no ideea for sure...what keeps the items problem in check is the unique serial numbers I believe.

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07-11-2003 04:13 PM  

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The high bid on 10,000 bloodfin credits is $15.  Give me a break.  How long does it take to earn 10,000 credits?  An hour tops?  **edit**?

EBAY Item number: 3535849800

07-11-2003 04:39 PM  

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DasMaven
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There is a big difference between swg and diablo II ... diablo was free, this game is 15 a month. Why does that matter? simple, that means they wanted you to buy diablo, but they want you to play swg.... and people arent going to play if theres a bunch of cheaters so thell take care of it,, there were exploits in everquest but they were always known by few and killed swiftly.. cheating wont be a factor in this game... until housing and faction wars start happening the only thing i would worry about in this game is content. (i want more dungeons!)

 

my 2 credits

07-11-2003 04:47 PM  

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Ethyl
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There is DEFINITELY a duping bug in the game with items. I don't know the details enough to file a bug, but it happened to a friend of mine. He was crafting a factory and lost connection. When he logged back on, he had both a factory and the materials. Considering he used all the materials he owned to make the factory, he was one happy camper and probably didn't file the bug. When he went and created the second item, he then had two factories with different serial numbers and everything.

In any case, there are apparently some very non-atomic operations centered around posting things for sale, crafting things, etc. I don't know whether his lost connection was due to a server reboot, DSL hiccup, or what, but it seems that there remains a very real possibility that there's an exploitable bug there.

Here's to hoping you fix it before there's hax0r software to take advantage.

--Ethyl theAardvark, Quantity Surveyor of Bria

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07-11-2003 06:14 PM  

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I'v seen items dupe a couple of times.  however this involved haveing the server dump me after I traded something.  Basicly I'd trade an item to someone and continue on my way.  Ocasionaly I would get disconected a short time later and when I loged back in I'd be timewarped back several minutes.  I havent seen any way to force a timewarp like this,  it just happens randomly so its not realy an exploitable dupeing bug but it should be looked into.  the server needs to do a better job of saveing characters when they get disconected.   Mostly I see this during peak hours when lag is high and I often see half the people on my friends list disconect at the same time.

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07-11-2003 06:49 PM  

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Zaraeth
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advanced Pistol? c'mon, thats pathetic. Hes selling a NOVICE character....

 

10k exp IS NOTHING.

 

My character on wanderhome only needs 1k more exp before learning RIFLE SPECIALIST. That was 70K of XP.

That guy on ebay is truly pathetic.

I'm sorry to brag about where my character is, but I seriously feel bad for anyone that will sell their character in the first month of release. They are still in a NOVICE tree and they think they are the best and most undefeatable people there.

I have pity on that person.

07-11-2003 07:02 PM  

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Zaraeth
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"If there's a dupe, send it in, and we'll fix it so fast your head will spin."

 

holy crap, that Rhymes!!! Seriously....

 

Ok...I am kinda bored....but...*gets shot*

07-11-2003 07:11 PM  

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I know what you mean Zaraeth, I am about halfway to Novice Rifleman.  Advanced Pistol isn't very good at this point.  I pity anyone who is crazy enough to buy that character.

Darkshot Master Rifleman
07-11-2003 07:39 PM  

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_Lord_Soth_
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<sigh>  I'm boored so I'll post on this thread for funsies.... after all, so many of you seem to be quite exited.

A few remarks:

Diablo does not equal SWG in any way.

The buying and selling of accounts and items in MMO's has been going on since their inception.  (including MUDS)

As long as the identity barrier extends no farther than your IP addy there will never be any foolproof method for the industry to counteract the selling or trading of accounts.  [The first one to figure out a different way will benefit by selling the license to the next developer who, then, figures out how to USE it effectively ]

Complete enforcement of the Almighty EULA is very expensive and has little return.  Companies will only respond to gross violations of the EULA, highly publicized violations or violations in which they have direct knowledge or irrefutable evidence.  In short, they will not waste energy on heavy investigations of single instance infringements.  They WILL react quickly in the presence of obvious fault or danger to the game's reputation.  On some occastions, they will take up the banner in a flurry of activity in order to discourage future violators.  They probably have that tactic on a calendar somewhere:

'August 20, 2003 -To Do List- 1) Perma Ban 3 EULA violators on each server... have a coke and cheesecake..stamp out insurrection! ALL BOW TO THE EULA!'

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K, here's the real deal. 

1)  Vet MMORPG'ers have dealt with this from the beginning.  The idiot that is ebaying will probably get traced down somewhere and PermaBanned because of the small amount of publicity shown in this thread.  That is a good thing in my opinion.  I can't stand ebayed characters to begin with.  But there will be 100 other shmoes out there who don't get caught and make a few dollars. <shrugs>

2)  SOE will do all it can to enforce the EULA to a point.  After that, it takes way too much captial in time and effort for them to police the system.  It simply can't be done effectively.  They will do their best to enforce direct infringements to the EULA that effect our quality of play, the stability of the servers and architecture, the game system itself and the exploitation of bugs/hacks.  They have their hands full with just doing all those things so that 'we' the player-base 'rock the boat' as little as possible.  Every time someone mentions 'ebaying' they cringe.  Give them a break.

3)  Diablo was killed by dupes and hacks.  EVERY MMO DEVELOPER IS AWARE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF DUPES AND HACKS IN THEIR GAME BECAUSE OF THIS.  They will ruthlessly root out these problems and squash them like little itty bitty bugs... 'nough said.

4)  Ebayed items and characters that manage to slip past the Watchers of the EULA (evil Darth Vader music here..) will not have much, if any, effect on your personal game play.  The only effect will be your jealousy of another player who, stupidly, spent $150.00 on some half-baked rifle.  Big deal, play your own game and let them play theirs.  Take my word for it, it will not affect any changes worth mentioning in your game experience.  Suck it up, stop whining and learn to play more effectively.  You will far surpass the best ebayed character in the end.

I can understand the excitement shown by some posters in this thread if you have never played in an MMORPG.  Believe me, vets also shared this concern when this first became evident.  Later, we grew to understant that it really had little effect on the way current MMO's are handled.  For the most part, any ebaying will be transparent to you.  It doesn't mean it is right, but there is only so much that can be done about it.

 

_Lord_Soth_

... never bought an item, never bought a character, never used ONE hack ... hmm.. but my sniper did /sneak through about 50 HI-RED difficulty missions in AO before they nerfed him   ..well, I did dupe cash for fun in Diablo, but only with one character... uh, I reset some variables in Wing Commander just for fun once.. uh, errm.. OK OK!  I have sinned! Forgive me!!!....

 

 

07-11-2003 07:56 PM  

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Ethyl 
 
(There is DEFINITELY a duping bug in the game with items. I don't know the details enough to file a bug, but it happened to a friend of mine. He was crafting a factory and lost connection. When he logged back on, he had both a factory and the materials).

Similiar thing just happend to me a few hours ago.   My pet got duped but the server did not crash me.  I was out doing missions with my pet on Tattooine Mon Eleta (sp)?  I was to the point of killing the objective when all of a sudden i got warped way southwest by Anchor...bleh.   Right where I warped was a locked box.  Since I wasn't a smuggler I couldn't do anything.  My pet along with my mission objectives was still in my databank.   Pulled my pet out and took the long track back to my original mission waypoint.  When I arrived, my original pet was still there, and was still conning white.

 

 

 

 

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