Exactly. It's important to know whether or not they mastered a profession between their 3rd holo and 4th holo if they did unlock on their 4th holocron. This has been the case thus far for anyone that has done it.
See, if it can be proven that you can master a profession on your final holo and unlock your FSCS (without mastering anything between that holo profession and your prior holo profession), then a lot of this theory can be cut down or will have to be changed (though the 4+1 will still hold water, the way it works would be different).
Short summary - its not 1/33 or 1/29. that's actually waaaaay to high.
The odds of mastering the correct (random) five professions with zero hints (holos) is 1 in 201376 if you only master five total professions. Thats not a typo - one person per 200k will unlock their slot just mastering five random professions, no holocrons.
The odds of mastering the correct (random) five professions with zero hints (holos) is 1 in 9590 if you master seven total professions
For a 50-50 shot at mastering the correct (random) five professions with zero hints (holos) you have to master 28 professions. Thats for a 1 in 2 chance.
But realistically speaking we need to throw the holocrons in the mix. We've already demonstrated that the odds are pretty astronomical for unlocking your slot if you don't use the holos.
So, if you get all your hints from the holo, and only have one random profession left to find:
Odds are 1 in 28 that you need to master only one more profession to find the one (after a silent holocron)
Odds are 1 in 5 that you need to master seven more professions to find the one (after a silent holocron)
Odds are 1 in 2 that you need to master fourteen more professions to find the one (after a silent holocron)
Put in to real-game terms, all of those people out there with silent holos, if you all master seven more professions beyond your silent holos, then one out of five of you will unlock (statisically speaking). To have a 50% chance of unlocking your slot, you need to master fourteen total professions beyond the four holo hints.
Those of you who created a new character and are expecting the unlock because you fed them four holocrons - be prepared to grind 14 more professions (beyond the four holocron, so eighteen total) just to have a 50-50 shot at unlocking. If you're serious about unlocking, be prepared to grind out literally every profession in the game for a 100% chance at unlocking...
If this is indeed the case, that its 4+1 as it very much appears to be, then this is going to keep FSS numbers pretty low.
Oh, and Hord being pedantic there is no reason you cannot count any pre-requisite professions. Each time you master a profession, pre-requisite or not, you've taken one off your list, and reduced your odds. If the five professions are truely random, its possible that someone could unlock with just Master Marksman, Master Scout, Master Bounty Hunter, and two others say Master Artisan and Master Combat Medic. This exact random combination should occur one in two-hundred-thousand, but it could and should occur if the distribution of professions to master is truely random. You're implying that the devs have coded in a logic check that pre-requisite professions are not selected as part of the randomness.... and i think thats a pretty big leap to make.
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No no, I really think the holos adapt to your play style still (until unproved by verified FSCS people). For example, if my needed FSCS profession are the 5 starting ones I could do this:
Master Artisan, Medic, Scout, and Entertainer and get a silent holo.
OR
Master Medic, Scout, Marksman, and Artisan and still get a silent holo.
OR
Master Medic, Scout, Marksman, use a holo that tells me to master Entertainer then Master Artisan and try another holo and itll be silent (even though it told me Entertainer before). Then Master Entertainer and unlock the FSCS.
This is examples of having the exact same pre determined professions, but the holos adapting to different play styles when giving me clues.
And have YOU read the specific posts by those people? I suggest you do. All of them mastered a basic on the way to their final holocron profession, meaning the basic they mastered before their final was a required for them.
Master Medic, Scout, Marksman, use a holo that tells me to master Entertainer then Master Artisan and try another holo and itll be silent (even though it told me Entertainer before). Then Master Entertainer and unlock the FSCS.
This is examples of having the exact same pre determined professions, but the holos adapting to different play styles when giving me clues.
Thats not adapting to a different playstyle, that would be the holocron realizing you only have one profession (Entertainer) to master so it doesn't give a hint. It might be a good indicator (if it works) that you mastered your 'hidden' profession. Then just master the last profession a holocron gave you and you're done.
There are some posts by people that have gotten the FS on completing the last suggested profession by the holocrons.
Their mystery profession could have been anything they done prior to completing that last holocron.
Once again... the holocrons will give you up to 4 professions but never give you that 5th on... it's earmarked.
there is no specific order of professions from the holocrons... it gives you them randomily from the pool of 4 that were selected for you when you made your toon.
I have seen cases where people where (example to follow) 2/4/4/4 BH only to get architech and then on the next holo tell them to get BH... the Holocrons are not "aware" of what you are doing... they are a coded math sequence. Nothing more nothing less.
So in review.
You create your toon... when you do so. The game randomily pulls out 5 professions for your toon. 1 profession is then earmarked as your mystery one. You can then get up to 4 professions from the holocrons in random order from your pool of 4.
You will then have 1 of 2 things happen. You will either get the FS after completing the last profession mentioned by the holocron thus meaning you found yoru secret profession along the way or you will get a silent holocron. Thus meaning you have yet to find it.
any questions?
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theHord, thats not quite how it works. There isn't a specific profession that is marked as the 'mystery profession'. You get hints for 4 professions, depending on what you master before and between holocrons you could get different results. In every case where someone unlocked the FSCS while mastering a holocron profession the following happened
Master Holocron professsion 3
Use Holocron 4
Master Profession X
Master Profession Y
Master Profession Z
Master Holocron Profession 4
(Unlock FSCS).
One of X Y or Z is the 5th profession. They received their hint when they had TWO professions remaining, but then they mastered the other profession before mastering their last holocron profession. IF they used a holocron after mastering profession Z, it would have been Silent, BUT they already knew what the holocron told them before. You can't undo learning something from a Holocron, that profession is what you will eventually have to master, so mastering other professions in between might lead you to unlocking the FSCS when you finally master that known profession.
I've seen a couple of people get it on their 6 profession on there last holocron.
Where as they did a professions then did 2-3 holocrons which in that time they got 4 professions done opened the last did another 2 and when they mastered the one they were supposed to do it opened.
He ll there was a guy that got it in 5 proffession nothing more nothing less had a huge thread posted a SS and everyone shut up. go figure.
Also look at the matrix chart your x y z is disproved as much as mine is.
But in all fair discussion I'd like to see how yours work in a jedi example... I'm not being a jerk about it don't take it that way please... I just want to see how it works.
I can be wrong on things... I'll be the first to admit... I also said my isn't 100% correct... it's my working theory. Please you have my interest. explain more
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Please link us the posts to Jedi who opened the slot that did it on their last holo but didnt master a basic profession inbetween using the holo and mastering that last prof.
theHord, thats not quite how it works. There isn't a specific profession that is marked as the 'mystery profession'. You get hints for 4 professions, depending on what you master before and between holocrons you could get different results. In every case where someone unlocked the FSCS while mastering a holocron profession the following happened
Master Holocron professsion 3
Use Holocron 4
Master Profession X
Master Profession Y
Master Profession Z
Master Holocron Profession 4
(Unlock FSCS).
One of X Y or Z is the 5th profession. They received their hint when they had TWO professions remaining, but then they mastered the other profession before mastering their last holocron profession. IF they used a holocron after mastering profession Z, it would have been Silent, BUT they already knew what the holocron told them before. You can't undo learning something from a Holocron, that profession is what you will eventually have to master, so mastering other professions in between might lead you to unlocking the FSCS when you finally master that known profession.
I'd like to apply this thinking to my situation, if I could, maybe you can help me out and clarify the theory at the same time
I mastered smuggler holocron #1--mastered entertainer holocron #2--mastered CH holocron #3--not used yet
If I read your theory right, it would make sense for me to use it now, then master any 'easy' starters before mastering whatever #3 tells me? Or better to master all the starters, then use holo #3? Thanks for your input, this is a great discussion.
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Khragon wrote: Please link us the posts to Jedi who opened the slot that did it on their last holo but didnt master a basic profession inbetween using the holo and mastering that last prof.
This is exactly how it works out for some people. They master a profession (it does NOT have to be basic) between using the holocron and mastering the profession. But, that doesn't mean everyone gets 4 holocron hints. If they master some of their required professions they'll get fewer hints. And one particular profession isn't 'marked' as the hidden one. IF they master them in a different order (master the 'last' one first, before using holocrons), then they'll get fewer holocron hints and then it will be silent on a profession they would have gotten as a hint otherwise.
Khr- Are you talking to me... because i believe i never said a person never didn't do it by mastering a basic... i just said that people have gotten the slot on their last holo.
for the one that did it in 5 - http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=147196
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I understand and agree with the 4+1 Theory. But any theories about the Secret Profession? Is it always a Starting profession? Thats what I really want to know.
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This is exactly how it works out for some people. They master a profession (it does NOT have to be basic) between using the holocron and mastering the profession. But, that doesn't mean everyone gets 4 holocron hints. If they master some of their required professions they'll get fewer hints. And one particular profession isn't 'marked' as the hidden one. IF they master them in a different order (master the 'last' one first, before using holocrons), then they'll get fewer holocron hints and then it will be silent on a profession they would have gotten as a hint otherwise.
Fell - we are saying the same thing you know that right... your just saying it a different way. The reason people don't get 4 hints is because they got one already... we both agree on that. so they will then only get 3 hints... if they get 2 right prior to the holocrons they will get 2 hints etc etc. we both agree on this correct?
what we disagree or trying to figure out is the last one that the holocrons do not tell you about. I believe they are earmarked and you do not... Is there an effective way we can determine this... i don't think there is but willing to look into something if there is.
As it stand we don't know what the silent one is.
I'd love a better explaination of the x,y,z theory you have because i went back and tried to apply it again after reading your post a couple times and i can not see how it works... well on one maybe but i'm not sure.
thanks,
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