Hiya all!

 

As Mandash just complained about us discussing loot way more often than actual tactics I thought we could have a tactic and strategy collection thread

 

A lot of the work has already been done by 1st_Viduus and Ducimus so I will link their threads so everyone is on the same page.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The above guides all tell you how to fly and what to watch out for in general but there is only few specific situations described (most are examples ) and how every pilot behaves in what situations.

For example you could describe how you try to counter missiles in your light fighter which concerns battles between oppressors and a-wings in particular. Then other pilots could post their experience in dealing with missiles and you could compare and possibly learn from each other

Of course asking questions about PvP as "How do i go up against a Tie Oppressor in an A-wing?" is valid too

 

I will then try to compile and categorize your answers so we can have some sort of encyclopedia where people can quickly find tips for any situations they need without having to search the entire boards

 

Thank you,

Kitten

 

PS: please keep it flaming and whining free

 

 

Kitten: Have your ship equipped with Countermeasures and fly barrel rolls (corkscrew maneuvers) to avoid blaster fire all the time. Fly towards the target but turn and fly away from the target at maneuver speed when about 1k away. Try to get him to launch missiles at you from max range to use CM packs (1 per missile so 3 vs oppressors) safely before you are hit and turn around to him again imediately. You have about 6 seconds to get into close range dogfight and to get out of his front so he cant shoot more image rec 2s at you.

Sometimes it can help to use 1 less cm pack and shunt instead so you can save money and packs in case more than one ship with missiles is around.

Also try to use obstacles such as asteroids, space stations or similar to your advantage as that is the only thing that can stop missiles on their path.

 

1st_Viduus: Fact: Missiles in JtL cannot be avoided by outmaneuvering.  Period.  Get that idea out of your head...

 

 

 

Kitten: Try to fire your missiles as close as possible to the opponent as it leaves your opponent almost no time to react with countermeasures.

Also if your opponent gives you a hard time to get and hold a lock just hold down your missile button to fire as soon as you receive a lock.

 

 

 

Matthevv: I fly the TIE Interceptor in the style of old american WWII pilots, i pull high over my opponent then roll back on them. with most pilots, even the most experienced, they get into the habit of looping in circles after each other, so when I roll and come back teh way I came it leaves me a clear view of the rear of my opponets ship. Which i vaporize. There are alternatives to just having a super quick turning ship. This is just one.

 

JediNg: Use all 3 axis when performing evasive maneuvres/jinking.+

 

Ducimus: On initial engagement, barrel roll tell just before perpendicular to your opponent, ( just before your 3-9 line is abreast of his) and hit your throttle hotkey and start your turn.

The idea is to start your turn just before he starts his. If you start too late, he has the advantage, if you start too soon, you'll get a blaster bolt down the throat from an angle snap shot. Anticpiate the turn, and start it just before he does. Timing is everything.

 

 

 

 

 

Ducimus: Hotkey your corner velocity throttle setting.

example:
/throttle .40 (40%)
or
/throttle .85 (85%)

In a turning fight you have little to no room for error on this. In ships like the oppressor with a 40% throttle for corner velocity the margine for error by manually adjusting the throttle is large, too large. So hotkey it.

 

 

 

 

Kitten: Tie Oppressors: Biggest threats in this match up are three missile launchers (usually equipped with image rec2 missiles) which will destroy you quickly. Additionally Oppressors pack two conventional weapons that can be avoided pretty easily with barrel rolling and jinking. If you can get into close combat you should do okay but be aware of the tight turning circle and its inertia which allows oppressor pilots to fly sideways and aim from almost all positions at you.

 

Missiles might help too if you know that they don't have that strong shields and armor.

 

 

 

 

ProCambarus: X-wing general notes:

IMO the X wing is among the best PVE fighters in the game. That said anyone going to use an X Wing in PVP has to be constantly aware of its weaknesses and strengths. The single most notable weakness of the XW is the large combat window that makes the XW an easier target than a Y wing. Go to Kessel to check for it yourself, the pirate X wings are turkey shoot compared with anything there. The most important advantage of X Wings in 1vs1 PVP is the slower optimal turning speed and hence the smaller turning radius than of most of the ships with still decent max speed (at a price of horrible acceleration). The slower optimal turning speed starts to get more of a hindrance in 1 vs many as locking/fireing from the distance on your ship is made easyer. It is also essential to get used to the weapon alignment/ spread before engaging on PVP.

General PVP counter tactics in X-Wings against multiple enemies:
1. Try to avoid multiple ship mixups by trying to fight at the perimeter of the battle scene. Try hit-and-fade and work as a team with other bulkier fighters waiting in the distance.
2. Find the role of the X wing. Try to pick those targets (like Oppressors, Firesprays that "value" your firepower most. Do not chase them too long, though, think of point 1.
3. If you are in multi ship engagement using boosters very frequently is the only key to your survival to adjust turn radius/speed constantly and to compensate for the relatively poor acceleration.
4. Use 3D maneuvers all the time but remember: with your combat window a barrel roll will not save you from enemy fire.

Tie Interceptors/Tie Advanceds:
1 on 1 a properly equipped X wing has a fairly good chance against a great T/I and might hanle a T/A too. The key is to get to the "inner circle" at optimal turning speed where the T/I or T/A has to turn around you, and you more like point the blasters of your ship toward them. Remember, in the X Wing (depending on the engines) you might have to pitch, yaw and roll (to keep target in diagonal direction) to achieve it, all 3D turning is not to be used for defensive moves only. Be very careful and take the other ships inertia into account, so if it starts to move you towards it's crosshairs, modify course accodingly. Cutting slightly further back more excessive rolling towards their forthcoming vector so setting collision course at 2 seconds with their higher speeds often helps. Remember to chose direction to stay "under" while doing that. T/As are way harder to hit and you might safely forget target aids. I recommend to practice on Tier5 scintilla droid fighters in Endor. Another tactic is using IR2s from the edge of range. However, remember that a T/A might be at your back in a fraction of a second, so 1in1 it is more useful on disrupting it's hit-and-fade tactic when it tries to flee. And remember, with 2 blaster shots and WO4 an X Wing might easily be shot to pieces in 1 or 2 rapid blasts by the T/A.

Tie Opressors:
The key is not to get over-confident against the Opressors. They have more similarities with the X wings in terms of turning characteristics. It is essential that you observe not just where they are abut where they heading to in any moment. With boosters, speed and turning prior the Oppressor you can "get around" the problem and the ship, that provides a generous combat window too.
Have your SDL loaded as well. (Even if my one fails 50% of launches without any explanation).

POB ships:
Use boosters and slight changes of vector when charging and do a sweep on the ship.

 

Remilliod: Tie Oppressors: First of all, Its best to know if your opponent is packing 3 IR2s or has gone for the big guns. The only way to know this is if you have fought them before and know their loadout. (Of course they might change but thats what makes PvP exciting)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

psikobunny: The norm in JtL is that these ships are the plague, and abandoned for "better" chassis ASAP.  A clever (and mildly unscrupulous) PvP pilot can take avantage of this. Figure out ways to look like a lower tier ship, and a greedy foe will often fall for it. I heard rumors of some Imperials who liked to hover at Naboo Station and challenge Rebel rookies. I mocked up a Z95, with "a bit extra" under the hood, and full overloads, and puttered around at noob speed. With 883 actual unboosted speed, small profile, and great handling, I had a winning record before I took her offline.

 

 

 

 

 

S-1-l2-H-C: A-Wing: The a-wing is pretty well matched to the t/i and t/a as far as manuverability, so most of the time you will be flying in circles and taking pot shots that are pretty much head-on due to slipping, with both of you having a shot at the same time. trying to hit an awing like this is VERY hard. with the randomness of an online game's netcode, its really a matter of luck as much as it is skill. one thing i like to do is when turning hard to bring my guns to bear, i will pass up my shot and keep turning as hard as i can, overshooting the target. if your enemy holds their turn, then you will come in right behind and a bit to the outside when you line up agian, giving you a perfect shot right up their tailpipe. not only do you have a much better chance at scoring a hit shooting from behind, but most awing pilots focus on putting the protection up front, flying without rear armor and sometimes using shield adjust front leaving them with a weak rear-end begging to be shot off.

 

 

 

Alyxian:  A-Wing: Keep your nose to the target, conserve capacitor by laying off the Blasters and hoping they might get cocky thinking you do not see them, wait for tone, unload 3 IR's. Use roll to keep the blaster fire from hitting as often, and be on the CtSS. Once the first volley of IR is loose, keep the nose on the target if you can for second tone and dump another 3 at them. Expensive, 6 IR's for an A-Wing, but if it saves my a$$, the cost is worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

S-1-l2-H-C: one thing i have not seen mentioned yet is the freelance epulse skill. /epulse3 is VERY dangerous. if you close to withen around 200m or so and your opponent hits the button, your dead; end of story. its the space "i win" button. the only tactic i know of to beat this with is to go agianst what everyone else says and try for a head on shot. thankfuly, the freelance ships are very easy to hit. its really simple and easy to do, just throttle back to almost nothing, and let the target come to you. by sitting still, you halve the closure rate so you get a few extra shots to land a hit. go for the reactor; if you take out their reactor, they cant pulse anymore. hitting the engine will still leave the cap and shields powered, so if they drift into range they might hit the button and take you out with them. i would suggest using shield adjust front heavy or extreme to give you a little extra protection in case your target lands some blaster hits, but usualy they are much more concered about making it to you alive to use the pulse and will be jinking instead of gunning for you.

 

 

 

 

 

Salco: The Kihraxz (correct spelling!) is a beautiful little ship. At 40k mass, it won't be winning any weight-lifting competitions, but it can fly circles around just about anything else. The maneuverability of this ship will be key, due to the fact that the equipment on the ship will be suffering. You'll want the fastest, highest YPR engine you can reasonably put into it. Have a hotkey set up to adjust your throttle to the proper speed to get maximum maneuverability. While in combat, MOVE! Make the ship dance like a Mexican jumping bean. The only way that ship will survive is through mobility. If someone gets on your tail, hit that speed-adjust hotkey and get out of the way; the thing about the Kihraxz is that, because it has such high maneuverability, it's not so unconcievable for it to actually be able to maneuver out of the way. It is, in fact, more maneuverable than an A-Wing or a TIE Interceptor/TIE Advanced. Straight-lining will not work with this ship; squeeze off a few shots, and then get moving. That's all there is to it.

 

 

 

 

 

Votiva: PvP for the Krayt, just some things that I've picked up flying mine on Ahazi. First of all you have alot of space to work with, so use it. Don't be afraid to use the biggest shields you can find (and drop the armor, you won't need it) and put in a cap with alot of spare energy for C2S. Keep in mind at all times that 90% of the ships you'll be flying against can and will be more manuverable/have better acceleration than you, so getting into a turning battle isn't the best of idea's, but is possible with a good engine. But this brings me to the biggest advantage you have (and this also works for Y's and Aggressors).

Turret, turret, turret.

Thanks to this little gem you give an opponent even fewer area's they can try to attack you from without risking an attack, so feel free to put your biggest, nastiest gun there (I know I do) and focus not on getting an enemy in your crosshairs, instead focus more on not exposing your belly and giving your gunner a clean shot. This is where turning battles come into your favor, because you have more of a chance to hit your enemy. The key to this though is having a co-pilot who works well with you, and is able to anticipate how you fly, so practice makes perfect (pve can help here alot)

Also remember that epulse can be usefull at times, so don't forget it. And also never forget another little trick that you have, the often overlooked and scorned pirate trap. Remember this isn't bstrike and should be never used as such, it's not something to be used to attack with ever. Instead use it as a smoke screan. Having so many targets show up at once and start attacking can throw off some pilots (and yes this is a bit of a dirty trick) even cause a second or two of lag for those who are on lower end systems, and as anyone can tell you one or two seconds can save your life. Use pirate trap (and bstrike for you imps out there) to throw off your opponents, and use the momentary confusion to either sneek up on them or to slip away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Halyn: Well, teamwork's always good. Teamwork + ambushes = better. Simply put, if you can, get a couple of enemy fighter pilots to trail you. Keep them back about 600 meters so they can't quite hti you, but you're tantalizing close. Then get a declared friend to do a head-to-head with you. More than likely your trailers won't see the new pilot coming until at least of them is vaped.

 

 

Kitten

Every day I learn something new, and forget two old things.

Use all 3 axis when performing evasive maneuvres/jinking.

Major Rapax Victis - Commando
Time wasted playing MMO's:
Meridian59, Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call 1 & 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, Earth & Beyond, Eve Online, Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies
"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession

Ha ha!  Excellent thread.  Nice that being a contrarian does some good now and then if in unintended ways.

Mandash Grim
Captain of The Ikopi Stag

"If tyranny's cold grasp should tighten, what is left to endure? One man or one woman, a grain of sand in that clammy clot, a fellowship of wet misery. But if some strange fire should fuse that sad company into glass, then what newborn edges might bloodily cut and win release?"

 

Thats an awesome tip, Ducimus... I usually tried to  go into maneuver speed earlier and use the booster to get close at full speed so i automatically fall back into maneuver speed when i end the boost.

 

But this has a few disadvantages. Sometimes you only see the pilots very late as they are in your visible area when they are only 1-2k away so you only have seconds to find the right throttle setting. Also with missiles you don't want to get close too fast or they manage to get them out at close proximity. And finally by using the booster you tend to overshoot if you dont pay attention

 

Kitten

Hmmm...

 

What's it? not interested? not up to share your tactics? nu use anyways?

Now, as a test, start a thread about the best places to grind for good REable parts.  Bet that one will rock long. 

Mandash Grim
Captain of The Ikopi Stag

"If tyranny's cold grasp should tighten, what is left to endure? One man or one woman, a grain of sand in that clammy clot, a fellowship of wet misery. But if some strange fire should fuse that sad company into glass, then what newborn edges might bloodily cut and win release?"

Well, teamwork's always good. Teamwork + ambushes = better. Simply put, if you can, get a couple of enemy fighter pilots to trail you. Keep them back about 600 meters so they can't quite hti you, but you're tantalizing close. Then get a declared friend to do a head-to-head with you. More than likely your trailers won't see the new pilot coming until at least of them is vaped.

Halyn Lance -- Rara Avis Flight School
Common sense is highly uncommon.
...has mastered the Pilot profession.
"I'll type this slowly so even Imperials can understand..."--Michael Stackpole, RS IRC

The large asteroid field about 8 km "above" the Tatooine space station on the Z axis, with the axis going in the same direction as the top of the station (hope that's understandable).  I park my decimator in there and shoot the commerce raider tier 1 Z95s for an hour, and get 50 or so parts, and usually a few of them are pretty good for REing.

Olmaal Ackiv - Naritus' first Mon Calamari Jedi Knight

Only if you go up against noobs. Anyone else is usually scanning for enemy players reflexively. When you pulled this on us we suspected a trap, and we got Vyrm on scope before she got close.

 

TIE Interceptor vs. B-Wing: Try to get close, and then turn behind the B-Wing as it passes you, and stick close. Watch your speed so as not to overshoot. Getting close in the initial pass can be tricky, so jinx, and chaff and pray to avoid that hail of blasterfire and missiles you will get, and avoid a direct head-on.

 

TIE Interceptor vs. X-Wing: The 3 blasters of the X-Wing can turn you to space dust with one volley, and the spread of them makes them likelier to hit, so getting close and into a turning battle works often best, unless you are up against a good pilot in a well-fitted X-Wing, who may be able to outturn you with the use of s-foils.

 

TIE Interceptor vs. A-Wing: Nail the evil little thing with a missile or 5, hope you outturn it, or get off a lucky shot. Keeping your distance may be a good solution, anmd the spread of a squints blaster offers a slightly better to hit chance.

Ramona Garcia
Dancer
Neutron Pixies


A couple of stories

shhhh... whatcha doing down on the second page?

 

Come on? Where are the X-Wing cultists? and imperial Oppressor pilots?

 

Kitten

Halyn Lance -- Rara Avis Flight School
Common sense is highly uncommon.
...has mastered the Pilot profession.
"I'll type this slowly so even Imperials can understand..."--Michael Stackpole, RS IRC

Just popped in to check PM's and this thread caught my eye.

 

Thanks for linking those threads, and this thread should probably make it to the Academy.

 

As for missiles:

 

Fact: Missiles in JtL cannot be avoided by outmaneuvering.  Period.  Get that idea out of your head...

However... missiles are stupid, no matter what kind they are.  They take the shortest path to your trajectory... even to overflying and turning around.
They also travel a static 1000 to 1200 speed... for a total time of (I believe) 30 seconds.  So they can be outrun.

A-Wing vs Oppressor launching 3 IR2's... Booster hard, fly spiral DIRECTLY across your opponent and blow him up with his own missiles.

I had done the above successfully (interceptor vs xwing) and had assumed it was possible all the time.
I've since tried it again and no, it seems either they adjusted settings on the server or it was a bug/glitch in the first place.
You can't be blown up by your own ordinance ^.  However any valid target (for your enemy, not you) or static object (asteroid, npc ship, et cetera) will indeed interupt and detonate your incoming.
Missiles can be outrun... Not sure about IR2's since I have no idea which missiles were being used on me... but flight in a straight line will cause the missile to "booster" into you.
Make sure not to fly straight!

Otherwise use some other object/ship in the vicinity.

 

P.S.:

You can also force an "unclean hit", where the missiles will detonate themselves *where you were* rather than *where you are*... which in effect seems like dodging, but is in fact a latency issue.... combined with some skilled flying

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