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The Game vs. the Boards
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ChrisCao
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Roughly 80% of the people who play SWG never read these boards.  We know this from our own internal metrics and it poses an interesting question.  Are we talking to people who play the game or posters who play the boards? 

 

I don't mean to imply that the people who post here don't play the game.  Far from it.  There are thousands of well-constructed, thoughtful, and insightful posts from people who obviously know the game very well.  Just read a few lines of these gems and you'll realize that, first and foremost, these people care about the game.  Their focus is the game.  I think the lion's share of the profession feedback in the last couple publishes is a fantastic example of these players who post.

 

But, at the same time, these boards are constantly cluttered by the reverse.  Posters who play.  They use these forums to lash out at others, criticize wantonly, and generally feed their own egos.  They regularly attack devs and moderators, clinging to past wrongs and imagined slights.  They focus on themselves instead of the game.  To them, the boards are the real game. 

 

As devs, we aren’t here to play the board game.  We’re here to play, and to make, SWG.

 

The upcoming chapters will see the remainder of the profession expertise systems implemented.  We have a lot of work to do and the feedback from players who post is going to be invaluable.  You aren’t going to like every decision we make and we understand that.  We have a limited resources and time to accomplish all that needs to be done.  But, as I’ve said before, we will be here (on the boards) and we will be listening.  If you’re up for a focused discussion of ideas, we welcome you and you can bet you’ll have our attention.

 

If, however, you feel the need to throw another stone, indulge a rant, whine, pick apart another poster, argue a dead point, rules lawyer, quote ancient history, or engage in any of the other classic board game moves, don’t expect us to pay attention.  We have better things to do.

 

We have some SWG to make.

10-05-2006 10:30 AM  

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Edit: first
(yes I violated against what you're saying.. I know )


But thanks for putting this into straight words. Sometimes (most of the times) I am playing on the boards, yet sometimes I got the spirit of a good idea which sometimes just drowns in tons of stupid posts..

anyways.. go back to your work

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10-05-2006 10:31 AM  

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Katal
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Awesome.

Awesome to the max.


Added:

ChrisCao wrote:
They regularly attack devs and moderators, clinging to past wrongs and imagined slights.
(Won't let me quote directly for some reason)

This admission means a lot to us veterans, and is a definate step in the right direction.

Message Edited by Katal on 10-05-2006 10:42 AM


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ChrisCao wrote:

 



Into what, exactly?

BTW, I was one of those slient types, until the NGE. I'm all ears on what you think you would like what I'm paying for, to  become.

While we are at it, I'm from Missouri. So, show me.

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10-05-2006 10:33 AM  

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/applaud

Message Edited by alexcullROCKS on 10-05-2006 01:34 PM




I dont care what others say, but weather it be NGE, CU, or PRE-CU, in Star Wars Galaxies I will always remember the slogan that got me in...
"The Greatest Saga ever told... YOURS!"
Let's come together, and open our minds and shut our mouths!
10-05-2006 10:34 AM  

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well said
10-05-2006 10:35 AM  

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NIce.

Now I pose a counter question.

Are you here to make the best SWG you can make, or are you here to try justify the egos of certain DEVs that refuse to listen to players who post, and continue to try to find new ways to make failed concepts somehow work?

I'm a very long time player.  I care way more about this game than anyone should care about a game.  SWG i literally my dream come as close to true as possible.  But I have a hard time stomaching what's going on.

I realise that you guys are doing your best, but have you concidered that perhaps your best isn't what SWG needs?

You guys have an AWSOME team.  Members of your team have made some of the absolute best games in the industry.  So what's going wrong with SWG?

I'm not bashing he NGE.  I think tha at it's core it's a good idea but what's stopping you guys from really taking it to the level it needs to be at?




(yes I realise I've been posting more than I've been playing lately.  That is simply because I have a job and children to attend, and I don't feel the need to spend my valuable time relearning to polay a system that's just going to change again in a few months.)




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Now THAT is the dev attitude I'v always wanted to see

(Quote button ate half the damned text... ah well)

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Nuff said!

Here! Here!

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I'm wondering in which department he works

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10-05-2006 10:37 AM  

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I use to be a player who posts, now I'm a poster who plays because frankly I find these forums far more entertaining then your game. Possibly because the forums have more people on it them my usually sparcely populated server.

Go head and make your game, if I become a player who posts again, I'll let you know, but it's the 11th month since the NGE and I find the game less enjoyable then I did then.

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ChrisCao wrote:

 Their focus is the game.  I think the lion's share of the profession feedback in the last couple publishes is a fantastic example of these players who post.

Posters who play.  They use these forums to lash out at others, criticize wantonly, and generally feed their own egos.  They regularly attack devs and moderators, clinging to past wrongs and imagined slights.  They focus on themselves instead of the game.  To them, the boards are the real game. 

 

 We’re here to play, and to make, SWG.

 

 We have a lot of work to do and the feedback from players who post is going to be invaluable.  You aren’t going to like every decision we make and we understand that.  We have a limited resources and time to accomplish all that needs to be done.  But, as I’ve said before, we will be here (on the boards) and we will be listening.  If you’re up for a focused discussion of ideas, we welcome you and you can bet you’ll have our attention.

 

 We have better things to do.

 

We have some SWG to make.



Then make it good...that is all we ask.

The board players are however a direct result of decisions made my SOE past and present.

I guess if really 80% of the players do not come here...why don't you utilize some ingame or launchpad method of getting the feeback you require?

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10-05-2006 10:37 AM  

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No offense, but I used to play the game, durning lunch breaks, and well into the wee morning hours, but in the last several months, I spend far more time on the boards, more than 3 hrs to 1 hr in game dreaming of what I wish the game could be

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Way to go Chris. Way to go.

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I play and post. I mostly play but I do post too. So... listen to me! I know what we need!

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