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lol my saber condition is 519/546 pray for me....

My mission to kill the sexiest man alive failed as i am not suicidal.......

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03-10-2004 02:17 AM  

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oh wow, did you guys just hear that???
its the sound of crying people who would no longer sell pearls for 5 mil a pop b/c our sabers will last longer!
good job Mr. fan


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03-10-2004 02:36 AM  

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Just a thought, might have been discussed already but I didn't wanna read the whole thread, but if you can't fail on the saber during repair then your saber will last almost forever, the repair has a % based decrease on condition, so as long as you don't let it go to 0 condition then you pretty much will have a saber that will last for months...
 
 if anyone wants to test this once it's live come to me and I'll hook you up with a full crate of repair kits so you can repair the heck out of a training saber....

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03-10-2004 02:43 AM  

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We keep getting these "nice things" and I can't help but think that we're using up "Dev Cards."

All professions seem to have a certain limited number of "please fix this now" "cards" before the Devs stop listening, and I think Jedi is quickly using up their allotment.

Personally I think the no-loot-loss change is great (but won't do anything to the cost of pearls except perhaps RAISE their price on the loot market due to no-risk assemblies), but I think weaponsmiths and armorsmiths (screw CMs and their venomed poisons, though) should have the same ability.

Now with this change we get the ability to repair our sabers with no failures? Wow - talk about fostering even MORE hate by non-FSers. First we never lose loot components, which pisses off the crafters...now we never fail at repairing our primary weapons? That'll piss off both crafters AND fighters.

I can already see an exploit - they're probably going to jack up a "Weapon Repair +X" stat into the stratosphere - Jedi will be *the* people to go to for guaranteed no-fail repairs on weapons. The only way they could make this benefit lightsaber-specific would be to change the weapon-type from 1/2-Handed Melee Weapon.

Slowly but surely we're going to become the most hated profession in the game...as it stands we're pretty much running neck-and-neck with CM atm since we seem to be the Dev's Darlings.

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03-10-2004 02:47 AM  

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Gee this only took how long??
 
It's good news..
 
but soooo much of this should've been thought of BEFORE hand.  Some of the things wrong with Jedi are beyond moronic.

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03-10-2004 03:02 AM  

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Risc wrote:
This should have the effect of lowering the price on pearls and crystals as well.

Less sabers requiring crafting means less demand for crystals and pearls. Good stuff.




No it won't. Now that there's no risk involved and crystals and pearls will last longer people will feel justified in charging MORE since you'll get more use out of it.

Using a statement like this is like saying "diamonds should become cheaper, since they last forever." This change combined with the "no loot loss" benefit will make Jedi make MORE sabers, thus inflating the cost further.

I have two pearls (it would be three had it not been for a goddamned crit fail on my first 2nd gen attempt). And I'll be damned if any of them go into an Initate-level saber. I'm not a loot baron or credit magnate.

The only way to lower the costs of Pearls would be to unnerf Krayts down to pre-patch levels or further and increase their spawnings. The only way to lower the costs of crystals would be to make them foragable or a LOT more common loot drops. Inflation of supply the desired good counters inflation of the price/skewed demand of said good.

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03-10-2004 03:06 AM  

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ArjunThakur wrote:


Gwhat wrote:
well this should only be temporary since in the JEDI FAQ it says jedi will be able to prevent such decay meaning jedi can stop a saber from decaying....


5% max condition lost on the best repair is pretty darn close. 

There is still a need for sabers to eventually cycle out of the economy, so don't think we are ever going to have indestructible sabers (as far as I've been told).



Who told you that?

Sabers should not even "BE" part of the economic, How can they be part of it?
 
You can't trade them, You can't sell them, You can't slice them...
 
Maybe you mean Pearls & Crystals but as you know they are out of control, 20 millions for one pearl, 3 mil for one crystal..
 
If the devs have that in mind then they did an excellent job on ruining the economy on the servers.
 
There are so many ways to "Keep things Rare" Why does everything have to be loot based?
 
My guess is that that is just the easiest way to code things in.
 
 
Anyways back to the topic :-)
 
 
The faq clearly says
 
"We will have item decay in the game, and this will affect lightsabers as well. However, a Jedi has the knowledge necessary to maintain a lightsaber, preventing such decay."
 
If they lose even 5% of the condition it still counts as "Decay" , yet the Faq says they can prevent a saber from decaying.
 
If they don't lose any condition on repairing then the faq is right.
 
After all these are just minor changes, who knows what the revamp does.
 

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03-10-2004 03:07 AM  

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That's a pretty bleak outlook.  Basically it comes down to this.  Any profession, when it is working properly, is hated by the rest of the professions that are broken.  People hate TKA, rifleman, CM, because these professions all have abilities that work, which give them the edge over professions that are broken/useless.  People who don't like jedi are saying "Don't fix the jedi because our profession sucked first!!!" 
 
Do Pikemen have a point when they say they have no chance of standing up to any of the other 3 melee classes?  Of course they do.  Does that mean that TKA or fencer need to be nerfed into the stone age?  Hell no.  It's the same thing with jedi. 
 
3 master rifleman, using proper strategy, should be able to take down a jedi master.  Unfortunetly, what we are going to hear soon enough, as people start to be brave enough to PVP more, is "WAAAAAAA!! MY TKM CAN'T SOLO A JEDI MASTER!!!??? I'M SPOSTA BE UB3R L33T!"  NERF JEDI INTO THE STONE AGE!!! 
 
What people need to keep in mind when they get killed by a jedi is that they can run right out of that cloning center, declare and shoot the jedi again, but once that jedi dies and is deathblown, he has lost a life, which takes 1 week to decay.  Stack up 4-8 deaths and you lose a skill box, and that is a huge loss.  Jedi have it easy now? Gimme a break people.
 
 
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KaylBreinhar wrote:


Risc wrote:
This should have the effect of lowering the price on pearls and crystals as well.

Less sabers requiring crafting means less demand for crystals and pearls. Good stuff.


The only way to lower the costs of Pearls would be to unnerf Krayts down to pre-patch levels or further and increase their spawnings. The only way to lower the costs of crystals would be to make them foragable or a LOT more common loot drops. Inflation of supply the desired good counters inflation of the price/skewed demand of said good.

No sir, There are more way to lower the price of pearls.

What if jedi can extract 1 pearl every day from the ground near the krayt graveyard..

What if 1 out of the 50 crystals foraged will be a pearl..

What if you can run quest once a day which gives you a pearl as reward.

 

There are so many ways to lower the cost on pearls and crystals..

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03-10-2004 03:12 AM  

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Djferio wrote:


KaylBreinhar wrote:


Risc wrote:
This should have the effect of lowering the price on pearls and crystals as well.

Less sabers requiring crafting means less demand for crystals and pearls. Good stuff.


The only way to lower the costs of Pearls would be to unnerf Krayts down to pre-patch levels or further and increase their spawnings. The only way to lower the costs of crystals would be to make them foragable or a LOT more common loot drops. Inflation of supply the desired good counters inflation of the price/skewed demand of said good.

No sir, There are more way to lower the price of pearls.

What if jedi can extract 1 pearl every day from the ground near the krayt graveyard..

What if 1 out of the 50 crystals foraged will be a pearl..

What if you can run quest once a day which gives you a pearl as reward.

There are so many ways to lower the cost on pearls and crystals..






Because then Jedi would become the loot barons. The only way this could ever work is if crystals and pearls were made non-tradable. Additionally, if the only place you could forage/harvest a pearl would be in the Krayt Graveyard - where do you think every single online BH on the server would be 24/7/365?

Most servers have cities right near the Graveyard. On Eclipse, Arjun's guild's city (DOOM) has "Fort Krayt" which is less than 900m from the Graveyard center with BH terminals within the city. Your idea has merit, it just doesn't have a sensible implementation. Technically a Krayt can be found anywhere on Tat, so perhaps that'd work...who knows. All I'd like is some indication that something's being done to counter this since some of us don't have the time to raise 200+ million to fund a Jedi from start to finish.

And BTW, Pearls are now selling for 75 dollars apiece on Eclipse in eBay auctions. Look for it to be 100+ soon.

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KaylBreinhar wrote:

Djferio wrote:


KaylBreinhar wrote:


Risc wrote:
This should have the effect of lowering the price on pearls and crystals as well.

Less sabers requiring crafting means less demand for crystals and pearls. Good stuff.


The only way to lower the costs of Pearls would be to unnerf Krayts down to pre-patch levels or further and increase their spawnings. The only way to lower the costs of crystals would be to make them foragable or a LOT more common loot drops. Inflation of supply the desired good counters inflation of the price/skewed demand of said good.

No sir, There are more way to lower the price of pearls.

What if jedi can extract 1 pearl every day from the ground near the krayt graveyard..

What if 1 out of the 50 crystals foraged will be a pearl..

What if you can run quest once a day which gives you a pearl as reward.

There are so many ways to lower the cost on pearls and crystals..






Because then Jedi would become the loot barons. The only way this could ever work is if crystals and pearls were made non-tradable. Additionally, if the only place you could forage/harvest a pearl would be in the Krayt Graveyard - where do you think every single online BH on the server would be 24/7/365?

Most servers have cities right near the Graveyard. On Eclipse, Arjun's guild's city (DOOM) has "Fort Krayt" which is less than 900m from the Graveyard center with BH terminals within the city. Your idea has merit, it just doesn't have a sensible implementation. Technically a Krayt can be found anywhere on Tat, so perhaps that'd work...who knows. All I'd like is some indication that something's being done to counter this since some of us don't have the time to raise 200+ million to fund a Jedi from start to finish.

And BTW, Pearls are now selling for 75 dollars apiece on Eclipse in eBay auctions. Look for it to be 100+ soon.

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75 dollar? Damn.... OMG..

Well maybe the krayt thing may not work but what about the quest i mentioned?

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Woohoo!  Another fix for jedi and yet there are countless problems with other problems that have been around longer.  Maybe we just need to whine more, you guys seem to get just about everything you want.

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03-10-2004 04:28 AM  

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countless professions with other problems*
 
Doh

I'm not here to impress anyone, i'm not here to hold your hand. When it boils down to it I more than likely hate you.
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