Since these are just plain ol' bugs, they need to be elevated and fixed, regardless of priority. I'll give you the updates on all of these bugs and issues as I get them.
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Like the list, except for the slicing part; it isn't needed.
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A question about the slicing comment...is it being proposed to let Weaponsmiths slice their own stuff simply by being a smith, or would it be required to get the slicing line in smuggler just to get weaponsmith. If the former thats a decent idea...if the latter then I feel its crazy, I sell, and have only sold unsliced weapons and I do just fine as it is.
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JBushesq wrote: A question about the slicing comment...is it being proposed to let Weaponsmiths slice their own stuff simply by being a smith, or would it be required to get the slicing line in smuggler just to get weaponsmith. If the former thats a decent idea...if the latter then I feel its crazy, I sell, and have only sold unsliced weapons and I do just fine as it is.
Nothing of the sort has been proposed. The Weaponsmith community is simply stating that it is getting tougher and tougher to compete .. and without any intervention, it will only continue to get worse. The entry point to Weaponsmith requires not only top-notch resources, but in many cases, millions of credits worth of SEA tapes and a Slicer. How that intervention is going to be handled is really out of our hands for the time being, unfortunately.
As for your experience with selling unsliced guns, it is possible. But your experience and luck with selling unsliced guns doesn't mean everyone else is having the same experience. Servers are their own living, dynamic entities, they're all very, very different. Some servers simply have more "name-brand" long-term Weaponsmiths who slice all their weapons; others do not because all the top smiths have since retired. If you're on the former server, obviously, it's going to be tough as nails for you to compete. Others are stuck on older, more matured servers flooded with cutthroat competition -- this is where slicing really becomes crucial.
To sum up the answer to your question, no proposals are being decided. We're just simply getting the word out that this is an issue we feel needs to be acknowledged by the developing team.
Logix wrote: To sum up the answer to your question, no proposals are being decided. We're just simply getting the word out that this is an issue we feel needs to be acknowledged by the developing team.
Ahh...i would agree that this is an issue, just felt I needed to add my two cents
Message Edited by JBushesq on 11-07-200410:40 PM
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Byra
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i agree that something definetly needs to be done about the slicing of weapons
i deal with more enhanced weapons then i do standards, and i get everything sliced before i sell it because i know that customers do not want to pay for a 5 million cred acklay/krayt weapon only to get a speed slice, rendering the weapon almost completely useless.
with the bad slice, it becomes much much harder to sell the weapon to even make 50% of what you paid for the enhancement
i dunno exactly what should be done, but i definetly think something should be
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Byra wrote:
i agree that something definetly needs to be done about the slicing of weapons
i deal with more enhanced weapons then i do standards, and i get everything sliced before i sell it because i know that customers do not want to pay for a 5 million cred acklay/krayt weapon only to get a speed slice, rendering the weapon almost completely useless.
with the bad slice, it becomes much much harder to sell the weapon to even make 50% of what you paid for the enhancement
i dunno exactly what should be done, but i definetly think something should be
Give a bigger incentive to not slice weapons, maybe harsher penalties from contraband scans......if sliced weapons become the exception rather than the norm this will put things back in line. Problem is, it would hurt smugglers again, and they deserve some loving......so there is no real solution, thankfully unsliced weapons sell just fine on Valcyn.
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I agree with 1-4. I don't have an issue with #5, as I have never sold sliced weapons. I can see the argument though, and I think it's worth leaving on the list simply so the devs understand how much slicing affects the perception of how good (or bad) a weapon is.
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Hope these get some consideration.
As for the slicing issue I think that it is important because they need to make it so there is a need for both SPEED and DMG slices. From my experience the only major selling speed slice is a 3.4 Power hammer.
Saxamaphone
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I like the list, except I'm not sure about the slicing thing.
(The following is about smugglers, but it seems that WS and Smugglers share a symbiotic relationship)
Here's a thought....what if the slicers could choose the slice? Speed or Damage (same for armor slices). It could be done with the addition of a second weapon upgrade kit and a second armor upgrade kit.
I'm pretty sure both slices would be used (speed for the hammer as mentioned above....and VKs for up and coming TKMs for instance and other weapons used on the journey to master a profession...and damage slices for most other weapons that the masters are using). Personally, I'd have two sets of armor - one sliced each way - ubese for example, sliced for HAM and composite sliced for damage.
To offset the ability to choose the type of slice, the slice effectiveness could be weighted to be lower than it currently is, with highest slices (35% ??) becoming extremely rare, but 10%-15% being very very common.
I think this will accomplish a few things: The consumer will now buy unsliced weapons. Slicing stays with the smuggler (where it belongs). Smugglers get some love. WS professionals can remain focused on weaponsmithing.
Why have a quarterly report when the devs only throw us a bone every 8 months or so.
This time, they're actually rounding up the issues. I sent in my final spreadsheet and detailed descriptions of every issue to TH. So, the reason for this Report is more than just to have one; it was drafted because the team has asked us to turn them in.
However, based on general feedback from these forums and this thread, I opted to alter the Slicing thing. Instead, I changed it to a general issue with the Weaponsmith barrier to entry, encompassing all the issues like lack of Novice Market, having a Slicer, 12 points, etc. I think that even if some of us don't agree specifically on sliced weapons, most of us can agree that the barrier to entry is really a bit steep on the whole.
Before you fret, I didn't suggest that any nerfs should take place, nor that well-established Weaponsmiths shouldn't be rewarded for their hard efforts into their business. Instead, it's simply that Weaponsmith competition is far too fierce and demand only scales across a handful of items. If we had more specialization, customization, versatility and a wider range of good weapons to offer (even for the little guys, without taking away from the market of name-brand smiths), the market wouldn't be so cutthroat and the barrier to entry wouldn't be so much of an issue. I think we can all agree on that.
If we had more specialization, customization, versatility and a wider range of good weapons to offer (even for the little guys, without taking away from the market of name-brand smiths), the market wouldn't be so cutthroat and the barrier to entry wouldn't be so much of an issue. I think we can all agree on that.
I, for one, absolutely agree with this assessment.
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Hmm, everything's submitted, so I suppose it may be too late for my 2 credits worth, but here goes:
1. Under storage, could you include the WS toolkit? Having it take up the backpack slot while not having any storage itself makes it something to avoid using if at all possible.
2. As for slicing, if the scans would actually find things, then those items should simply be confiscated. Then the cheap stuff would get sliced, but not that multi-million-credit weapon. Although then the loot would have to be good enough to better a regular sliced weapon. Or perhaps the vendors themselves could be scanned and sliced weapons confiscated, that would cut down on the pre-slice market.
The one time a scan actually found something on me, it found that I was a Rebel. With a squad of Stormtroopers around and I not buffed, it amounted to me being summarily executed.
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Amana
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I have to agree about the WS toolset being in adequate being in the back pack slot. It makes it very difficult and almost un practical to use because of that. It should really be moved to a belt item and be able to equip it in that slot. As for the slicing part i'm un easy on it. Sometimes i'm able to sell tons of weapons and hardly any of them are sliced but yet I have been asked if my weapons are sliced and I probably loose deals because of it. The one thing that has got me interested is the new loot concept stuff were we can put filters in to make different colored blaster bolts and stuff.
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Logix wrote:
Polls are in, these are your Top 5 issues:
Redundant/Useless Weapons/Loot - 20 votes
Included in this:
Loot is unbalanced across the board, some items (Rancor Teeth) worthless and unused.
(should state that the balance of low end looted items needs to be looked at. I have some 150 max damage rancor teeth that made some awesome swords)
Weapon schematics (warhead, etc) not being used in any schematics.
Tangle, DL44 .. etc, never being bought/crafted.
( the majority of these only pertain to pistols. This is due to the addition of two many high end pistols and no balance of the lower ones)
Beam Rifle cert still broken (thus useless).
Lack of weapons/weapon variety (honestly, if all of these useless weapons/items worked, nobody would be complaining about variety.)
Beserker Rifle - 18 votes
Enough said.
Storage - 14 votes
Resources not stacking beyond 100k
Loot components not stacking
A myriad of other issues that force us to waste space
Looted Weapons Too Common - 13 votes
Most notably, polearms/DOT weapons.
Slicing 101: Prerequisite to Weaponsmith - 10 votes
Too difficult to sell anything unsliced nowadays.
(all i sell is unsliced weapons, and i am one of the top sellers on my server. The main complaint should be there are no slicers for customers. Smugglers are a rare bread now. So basically i disagree with this statement.)
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