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SonGouki
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After much contemplation I've decided that this issue needs to be announced to the Jedi community.
 
 
Currently there is a bug in the Jedi Bounty Mission system that allows a Bounty Hunter to use the "/duel" command to gain an exclusive one-way TEF on a Jedi that they have a mission on. This means that the BH will be able to attack the Jedi, but the Jedi will not be able to attack back.
 
The Jedi will see the duel message on their screen when the BH uses the command, but it is easy to miss during the heat of combat. In order to be allowed to attack back, the Jedi must use the "/duel" command to accept the duel!
 
Also, I haven't tested it, but it's possible if killed in this situation that the Jedi will not be removed from the BH Terminals. I don't have a confirmation on that, though it would explain the numerous reports I've been hearing of Jedi not be cleared off the terms.
 
 
The bug has been reported to the devs... no comments from them on a fix yet though.
 
 
In the mean time, please be aware of the issue and be prepared if you recognize it happening to you. Either just run away (if you have the ability) or be prepared to use "/duel" if you suspect a BH is using this exploit on you. I suggest creating a macro for it and putting it on your toolbar or hotkeying it, so you can instantly use it if needed.
 
Also, you may want to "/report" a Bounty Hunter if you're sure that they're using this exploit (ie. you can't attack back).
 
 
I was hesitant to announce this due to the fact that it will also make the exploit known to the BH community and could possibly worsen the situation. However, the situation is apparently already getting out of hand from the reports I've been receiving, so I decided that it would be best to inform the Jedi community of it. Since not all Jedi read the forums, please spread this information around to all Jedi that you know so that they can be aware and prepared for the situation if subjected to it.
 
 

Message Edited by SonGouki on 02-25-2005 11:53 PM

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sorry to see BH's exploiting and giving the honest ones a bad name. will link to this on naritus forum if you'd like.

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would that also mean that you cannot force run and heal? it happened to me just yesterday.

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As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...
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SonGouki
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Magnitude wrote:
would that also mean that you cannot force run and heal? it happened to me just yesterday.


You can still Heal and Force Run, just not attack the Bounty Hunter back.
 
I'm not sure if this puts you in a "lock down" situation though, meaning that others could not heal you...
 
 

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IMPOSSIBLE!  BH's don't exploit!
 
(thanks for the heads up SonG)

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BH's and exploit NO NO my 500 dmg only did 5 on the tkm/bh, they dont exploit its just our sabers

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Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.





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Wow thats messed up if the BH has to use an exploit... but wouldn't the csr/devs reimburse you for lost exp for a death by a bh that used an exploit?

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DocSavage70 wrote:


Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.


Ahem. Looking at someone you know you are about to attack anyway, who is red to you already, and typing /duel is not a glitch.
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thank you Epono that is my thinking BH do not need the Duel to attack a jedi that means they are activally using an exploit and they should be ousted for it
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Already sent an e-mail to my guild outlining this exploit and how to fix it.


As they say, wait for the curb it will all be better then, yea right.
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SonGouki wrote:


Magnitude wrote:
would that also mean that you cannot force run and heal? it happened to me just yesterday.


You can still Heal and Force Run, just not attack the Bounty Hunter back.
I'm not sure if this puts you in a "lock down" situation though, meaning that others could not heal you...






I got hit with this bug from a BH earlier today. I was not able to heal or force run. No matter how many times I spammed the Keys.

I reported this in a ticket as well and got a cookie cutter answer about how the system is working as intended.

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ah crap it figures something like this would happen...


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memnochenkil wrote:

I got hit with this bug from a BH earlier today. I was not able to heal or force run. No matter how many times I spammed the Keys.

I reported this in a ticket as well and got a cookie cutter answer about how the system is working as intended.


Is it possible that you were being hit by Warcry? When I tested this on TC-Gorath the Jedi were still able to heal themselves and function normally, just not attack the BH back.
 
This is the real problem in identifying if you are being subjected to this exploit, as there are several other tactics/bugs that can make it seem like it's being used, when in fact it's not. The best way to recognize a BH attempting to utilize this is to catch the "xxx has challenged you to a duel" system message, but like I said earlier, it's very easy to miss this unfortunately...
 
 

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Epono wrote:


DocSavage70 wrote:


Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.


Ahem. Looking at someone you know you are about to attack anyway, who is red to you already, and typing /duel is not a glitch.


If the same bug that was on test went live it is not neccesary for the BH to /duel in order for the jedi to not be able to attack, /duel must give the same result except consistently.  I recall a time when certain people were asking for the heads of all jedi that apeared "offline". Maybe some of them were exploiting and maybe some weren't, we can't know, this bug seems similar in that repect.

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SonGouki wrote:


memnochenkil wrote:

I got hit with this bug from a BH earlier today. I was not able to heal or force run. No matter how many times I spammed the Keys.

I reported this in a ticket as well and got a cookie cutter answer about how the system is working as intended.


Is it possible that you were being hit by Warcry? When I tested this on TC-Gorath the Jedi were still able to heal themselves and function normally, just not attack the BH back.
This is the real problem in identifying if you are being subjected to this exploit, as there are several other tactics/bugs that can make it seem like it's being used, when in fact it's not. The best way to recognize a BH attempting to utilize this is to catch the "xxx has challenged you to a duel" system message, but like I said earlier, it's very easy to miss this unfortunately...





Might Have been But I didn't see any messages of You have been delayed for ten seconds or anything like that. Though i could be wrong in this.

Yeah the message is especially easy to miss when the BH wait for you to aggro you Mob your attacking and then run up and start the /duel and such from there as the Mob's start to die.

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DocSavage70 wrote:


Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.

This is an exploit you poon, SOE does ban for exploits

This exploit opens Jedi up for a lot of grief, and griefing = bad

Of course though, only a BH would say that...

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Epono wrote:


DocSavage70 wrote:


Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.


Ahem. Looking at someone you know you are about to attack anyway, who is red to you already, and typing /duel is not a glitch.

No crap it isnt a glitch...this is an exploit pure and simple and they should ban the @sstards using it.

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Any bh using this should be banned. End of story.

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BenkeiHami wrote:


Epono wrote:


DocSavage70 wrote:


Catseye_Yellow wrote:
As a BH I hope they ban/delete everyone using this...



I disagree. People shouldn't be banned because of a glitch. However the devs should put in some overtime this weekend and get this problem fixed.


Ahem. Looking at someone you know you are about to attack anyway, who is red to you already, and typing /duel is not a glitch.


If the same bug that was on test went live it is not neccesary for the BH to /duel in order for the jedi to not be able to attack, /duel must give the same result except consistently.  I recall a time when certain people were asking for the heads of all jedi that apeared "offline". Maybe some of them were exploiting and maybe some weren't, we can't know, this bug seems similar in that repect.


That's true, I am aware that there is a unrelated bug with similiar effect, I'm just saying that if it is done purposefully it is not a "glitch"
 
Furthermore, it seems that if you were to type /duel and then be able to attack back wouldn't that be a good way to differentiate?
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Epono wrote:


BenkeiHami wrote:


If the same bug that was on test went live it is not neccesary for the BH to /duel in order for the jedi to not be able to attack, /duel must give the same result except consistently.  I recall a time when certain people were asking for the heads of all jedi that apeared "offline". Maybe some of them were exploiting and maybe some weren't, we can't know, this bug seems similar in that repect.


That's true, I am aware that there is a unrelated bug with similiar effect, I'm just saying that if it is done purposefully it is not a "glitch"
Furthermore, it seems that if you were to type /duel and then be able to attack back wouldn't that be a good way to differentiate?


yes, as long as people take care of that detail.  People asking for mass bannings with no proof of an exploit would be wrong though.

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are we going to be nerf anymore i just waiting tell jedi will lose to a master dancer
 
 
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Is it adviable to loop a /duel and /endduel macro once we met a bh?
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