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Holocron Grinding Commando: All you need to know about Mastering Commando
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someguyonline
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Your Holocron has told you to become a Master Commando First of all, you’re very lucky.  It could have been Image Designer.  You are also the envy of many commandos in SWG.  Second off all, this thread will tell you everything you need to know about grinding the Commando profession.

Since you're just marching through on your way to Jedi, here are the answers you’re looking for.  Please don't post questions/suggestions on our forum unless you discover you enjoy what you're doing and want to contribute meaningfully to the forum.

The standard rant Frankly, we don't care if you're unhappy during your stay in our profession, so skip boring us with posts saying you don’t understand why Commandos have to learn Unarmed IV and how you think the weapons for Commando need to be reworked.  Many of us have beeing setting things on fire before you knew what a Holocron was. 

What are the pre-requisites for Commando?

  • Master Marksman
  • Unarmed IV

Why do I need Unarmed IV?  I don’t do any unarmed fighting as a Commando. It’s very simple.  The Commando profession uses a ton of weapons that are not used by any other profession.  No modifiers can be found for Commando weapons except in the Commando tree (save the Launcher Pistol).

So what kind of a person picks up a flamethrower having never used a pistol, a rifle, or even thrown a punch in their life?  I don’t know, but I’d stay at least 50 meters away from them.  Commandos need to learn Pistols IV, Rifles IV, Carbines IV, and Unarmed IV so they can get ready to handle the biggest, baddest weapons in the game: Flamethrowers, Heavy Acid Rifles, Rocket Launchers, grenades, etc.

If you want to complain about Unarmed IV using the argument that Commandos don’t do any unarmed fighting, ask yourself why Commandos don’t use Carbines or Rifles either.

Also, the rest of the Master Commandos and I had a talk and we decided that you can't get your Flamethrower certification until you can take out a bocatt with your bare hands.

It has been this way since the summer.  Many Commandos have accepted it and/or like it.  It’s not going to change.  So don’t start complaining like Luke Skywalker on our message boards.

How do I get Unarmed IV? There are several tricks you’ll need to use throughout the Unarmed tree:

  • Get yourself a par of Vibroknucklers.  Even though you’re not qualified for them, they will cause you to hit faster than you would without them.  Find ones with a speed of 2.2 or less.
  • Get yourself a pet or a droid and group with it.  Have it sit in a city somewhere.  It will give you about 10-20% more xp per kill.  The difference adds up.  Killing a Gorg by myself, I get 76 Unarmed XP.  Killing a Gorg while being group with a pet that doesn't attack, I get 98 Unarmed XP.
  • Use spice.
  • Use food.  Flameout gives you about +1000 Health.
  • Use Doctor buffs.  A doctor can buff your Health and Action stats for about 1500-2800 points each.  They last for about two hours.

First step: Beat stuff up.  Start with small critters outside of Mos Espa or somewhere similar.

Once you hit Unarmed III, you can try some bigger creatures.  Getting Unarmed IV is a hard one, but can be done.

When fighting a creature, hit it with Unarmedblind1 and Unarmedstun1.  Once those stick, go Beserk and you’ll hit for twice as many points while the creature is stunned that it can’t see anything.

Here are some other tips:

  • Use healthsot1 with your pistol before going unarmed with a creature.  This will cause them to bleed while you’re punching the crap out of them.  If you only use healthshot1, you won’t get any pistol xp.
  • Have a high-level player stand behind you and help you if you get in trouble.  A squill will give about 2500 xp, but at Unarmed III, you’re not dealing that much damage.  So you’ll need a Doctor’s buff, food, and spice to keep you alive.  A high-level player can heal you as you fight and kill any other animals in the area.
  • Avoid creatures that deathblow.  It get's annoying.

How do I get combat xp? Kill stuff.  The more you kill, the more xp you get.  The bigger the animal, the more xp you get.

I’m Novice Commando.  Now what? Don’t run out and grab a Flamethrower.  Instead, get a Launcher Pistol (also know as the Lag Pistol).  Use it to acquire Heavy Weapons xp until you hit Flame III.  Then get a Flamethrower and use that.  Before Flame III, you’ll be very slow and very inaccurate.  The average speed on a Flamethrower is 4.5.  You can get a 33% speed slice to get it down to 3.0.

Flame specials stack.  So at Flame 4, you can hit a creature with flameSingle1, flameSingle2, and flameCone2.  It will burn down pretty quick.

The trees should be mastered in this order: Flamethrower Specialization, Heavy Weapons Support, and then Acid Rifle.  Field Tactics uses Combat xp and will come as you move up the other trees.

And what is the quickest way to get the xp?  Kill stuff.  Lot’s of stuff.  There are no tricks here other than what I’ve mentioned.  You just have to set things on fire as much as possible.  The bigger the animal, the bigger the xp.

Final thoughts That’s it.  There are more weapons other than the Flamethrower and Launcher Pistol, but if you’re here merely for an xp grind, you won’t care about those.

If you want to know about the Commando profession, check out Ivoni’s Commando Guide.  It’s the most extensive thing you’ll see.

01-02-2004 09:00 AM  

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Greetings!

I guess I qualify as a hologrinder (my holo told me to do this profession), but I've fought with lots of commandos and am enjoying the profession. I have a flamethrower, just hit the flame 4 box (been using the FT since flame 1) and am finishing up mastering ID (hehe, I figured I might as well, I had a few of the boxes, so I'll wrap it up, and no the holo didn't tell me to do ID).

Anyhow, I'm a 2040 and the creatures I like to kill are quenkers on Dantooine (5.1, 5.2K missions). They can be picked off individually fairly easily. I don't need buffs or armor to do it (less recovery time if you have them though), and in a single mission I can get 3K per kill and 15-21K for the entire mission (depends on how many babies spawn). 2 of these can be done in about 15 minutes (or less). While quenkers are 'reds' they do not DB, so even if you take a few hits and fall down you aren't out of it.

Anyhow, that's what I like to kill, seems like easy/quick XP to me. I've been reading lots of these posts and just wanted to contribute what I could.

Thanks!


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01-02-2004 10:34 AM  

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also remember that you guys have it easy.  back in the day, the launcher pistol used to give pistol xp, flamethrowers used to be 5.5 speed, 50-222 damage, and we had no certification for the heavy acid rifle (well, ok, that one was good ).  if you were to stick a burn on a snorbal, piket or whatever, first they'd laugh at you, then they'd run over and beat you up.  now its flamesingle2/flamesingle1/harvest resources.

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01-02-2004 11:42 AM  

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HMPH!  Heretic!  Betrayer!  Fiend!

Let the grinders bitch and moan!  Let them suffer in the holoprofession of their own non-choosing!  We lose enough of our bretheren Commandos to holos without making it easy on them. 

*sighs*  It used to be Master Commandos would only train people in non-flame trees to cut down on the dabblers...  Now, we must face the possibilty that the Novice Commando Academy is turning out people with the intention of not actually being Commandos. 

Ah, well... I still say we are so strong that one in ten Jedi obsessed fanboys will choose Commando when they 'grind' their way up. 

Lynch, Master Commando of Flurry

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Combat Xp can be gained using C12 grenades as well.

Use Health shot to stick a bleed on something. Throw a grenade at it, then peace and run away. Keep health shotting it until it dies of the bleed and you'll get pure combat xp for killing it.

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Why on earth would anyone want to get just combat xp? you will fill the combat xp tree before you fill the others. if you are cruising through the profession for a jedi slot like i am, you probably have combat xp built up from doing other professions. when i started commando, i was 3-0-0-0 before i even bought a launcher pistol and flame thrower.
 
the only reason i can see to get combat xp only would be to grind out ap for teaching ranged support 1. but if you are dropping and retraining rs1, you are not a commando.

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04-12-2004 12:59 PM  

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just wondering where does one find these holocrons that tell you your optimal path?
04-13-2004 09:22 AM  

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yes .. i am/was a holo grinder.. yes i did do profs that little red diamonds told me.. but no i am doing commando to compliment my teras kasi master skills.. and yes i will be staying commando.. the damage ure weps do when u hit npc spawns is awesome i love it.. i will be commando... live commando.. breathe commando.. and btw rebs beware i am coming for ure souls



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04-13-2004 08:25 PM  

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the easiest place is in naboo near the very southwestern part of map. dont know the coords but there is a imp structure near there. there r big imp guys(they look alot bigger and hit alot harder than reg. imps), only they carry the holos. you may have to loot for a while before u find one, i killed like 100 before i got 1, it may be easier or harder for u. get doc buffs and vasarian brandy, u can drink 2 brandys at once if filling is 50 or lower, but make sure u get a high quality brandy, at least 400 is what i prefer for mind buffing(muon gold fades too quick and can only increase mind by 500, but keep it handy for emegency). i hope u have composite armor and a at least lvl 3 or 4 flame(if u r commando).oh yeah, i wouldn't fight outside the structure, their is an at-st outside, and stay away from the imperial inquisitor or whoever he is(u will know him by his health, he has about 50k health)
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I am a TKM and I play the game trying to Master Professions to see what the perks the have while keeping TKM as best as I can.  I have used Holos to just randomly select the next profession for me to try, so what.  I recently achieved Master Armorsmith, next day I dropped it.  Now I am working on Commando. Oh what do you know, it's what my Holo said.

To all you guys who Complain about Hologrinders, quit crying!  If you think about it, the Hologrinders help out many players in the game.  Example: Let's say the Holo Crafters(since I just completed one), they go out buy resources like crazy spend alot of cash.  Medical side, they heal as much people as they can.

So to Good Luck to all you Hologrinders!
04-15-2004 11:51 AM  

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can anyone say necro?

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Well, I just started my holo grind today, and I must say I like what I see...Something about hulring a gigantic ball of flame impossible distances at enemies that only one box ago were yellow but now are blue...oh yeah, power trip
 
Anyway, I've decided that after I finish getting my Jedi (I have to...it's the only reason my brother helped me get this far), I'm definately visiting this profession again permenantly. 

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perhaps its time to update this thread seeing how you no longer get any exp from DOTs
In fact i get less exp per time spent using flamesingle1 instead of a standard attack due to the dot

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MrMud you do get xp for flame dots. Since the proffession was nerfed a few months ago, they do not inflict as much dot, but instead have a higher initial damage. How do I know this? Well I have been a commando twice so far, the first time-shock trooper(flame 4), the second time-mastered. I have been saved many a time from db's by the flame dot. It used to be: flame2 the enemy-go incapp'd-flame dot kills enemy-you live. Now since the nerf, you cannot count on it as much. I have a 4.6 speed 1092 max dam flamer, I seriously have hit lairs for 54k damage and npc's for 13k with one hit. I f I don't kill them in one hit I have the LP as my saving grace. Spend as much money on an elite LP as possible, this can mean life or death. I have an LP 2.1 speed 127-283 dam, I spent 200k on it, it was worth every penny. I believe I only died 3 times during my grind to master, unlike my first attempt at commando with inferior weapons. I am a rebel so Storm Trooper xp is roughly 2100-2800 xp per kill, you'll see that the flame dot does not hinder the final xp at all, the only way that you flame and don't get xp is through flame cone. I dunno why that is, but it just is. I have just mastered Pistoleer and fan shot hits multiple targets and you get all the xp for hitting those targets, either it's a bug or they just do it to "balance"(nerf) the class.
04-21-2004 06:31 AM  

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Your first comment is quite ironic. I was lucky that my second holo said Master Commando. Wahaay!!! My next one said Master Image Designer. lol. haven't bothered.
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