I agree with the first part, disagree strongly with the second part. A very small percentage of players role play in this game...the second suggestion would force them to change their communication style to conform to a role-play vision. This would be the wrong thing to do.
Role players should not have their game spoiled by leeters, but nor should role-players dictate any game or it's mechanics. The first item suggested is the best option IMHO.
Kinda funny how you bash roleplayers and accuse them of wanting to change the game mechanics (which his suggestion will not do), but yet you sound like you endorse the fact that the leet-mongers have all along been running roughshod over the devs and forcing them to turn the game into something it's not. Sounds like you say it's fine that the combat system is so screwed up because of the exploiters. More power to you then, just don't blame me when that 500k hammed womp rat sends you to the clone clinic.
What kills me about the whole thing is that the game is called a MMORPG = massive(ly) multiplayer online role-playing game. Yet, the majority are not roleplayers. *sigh*
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Part of me wants to say #1 is a good idea. If a player wants to filter the spatial chat around them then that should be their choice right? I can understand it lessening the experience when people use various forms of slang and leet etc. But what about when people go on about the basketball game last night or the latest terrorist threat? No filter can properly turn regular, natural conversation into Star Wars specific lingo.
I think the best bet is to enjoy role-playing with the people you role-play with and to tolerate people around you who refuse.. frustrating as it can be sometimes.
As for #2, I'm all for enforcement of rules that would be enforced in the Star Wars world, like spitting on Imperials (worth every credit ) but to penalize leet-speak also acknowledges its existence in an official way. That I don't like. I think it really should just be ignored.
Just my 2 creds... and I don't mean to be critical. Nice to see people thinking of ways to improve the experience.
Part of me wants to say #1 is a good idea. If a player wants to filter the spatial chat around them then that should be their choice right? I can understand it lessening the experience when people use various forms of slang and leet etc. But what about when people go on about the basketball game last night or the latest terrorist threat? No filter can properly turn regular, natural conversation into Star Wars specific lingo.
You could replace basketball with smashball (a sport in the Expanded Universe), Talking about terrorists may be interpreted as talking about rebels as well, so it's no biggie.
Of course, there is no way to filter out everything, but at least we could filter out much of the annoying stuff. Plus, you could change swearwords to curses common in Star Wars like 'Sithspawn' as well
I think the best bet is to enjoy role-playing with the people you role-play with and to tolerate people around you who refuse.. frustrating as it can be sometimes.
I try. I have tried since launch. But lately it has been getting more and more annoying. Most of my RP friends have deserted me in favor of WOW (it has special RP servers and it is said there are far less "leet-speakers" there). Also, it seems that more and more non-roleplayers and "leet-speakers" are entering the frey. I know that many of my RP friends would have stayed if there was such a word filter, in fact we have pitched the idea around several times in the past. If it would bring them back, I do not know, probably the most Star Wars loyal of them.
There really is no reason to not implement a word filter, as it does nobody any harm and improves the experience for the ones that choose to use it.
As for #2, I'm all for enforcement of rules that would be enforced in the Star Wars world, like spitting on Imperials (worth every credit ) but to penalize leet-speak also acknowledges its existence in an official way. That I don't like. I think it really should just be ignored.
It could be seen as the NPCs not understanding what the players say and talking gibberish, thus concluding they are annoying and crazy and knock them out.
But I am seriously considering to remove the second point in the main post anyway. It just seems a little too much to want to improve people's language
Just my 2 creds... and I don't mean to be critical. Nice to see people thinking of ways to improve the experience.
+ It may even make the ideas in section 2. obsolete
2. Optionally, using so-called “leet-speak” in spatial chat next to any NPCs like police, stormtroopers and rebels and will cause them to incapacitate and fine you just like a stromtrooper currently does when you insult him. A system message only you yourself can see will then appear on your screen and tell you "You have used the word , it is outlawed in this galaxy".
Perhaps even a faction scan could check your spatial chat logs for “leet-speak” and attack and fine you for it. No factional rank or other means to avoid a scan should allow “leet-speakers” to be spared.
+ This will discourage players from using "leet-speak" in cities and other populated areas
+ It will encourage proper language in Star Wars Galaxies + It will teach players to use more mature language + Simple to implement, code from Stormtroopers can be reused
I agree with the first part, disagree strongly with the second part. A very small percentage of players role play in this game...the second suggestion would force them to change their communication style to conform to a role-play vision. This would be the wrong thing to do.
Role players should not have their game spoiled by leeters, but nor should role-players dictate any game or it's mechanics. The first item suggested is the best option IMHO.
Kinda funny how you bash roleplayers and accuse them of wanting to change the game mechanics (which his suggestion will not do), but yet you sound like you endorse the fact that the leet-mongers have all along been running roughshod over the devs and forcing them to turn the game into something it's not. Sounds like you say it's fine that the combat system is so screwed up because of the exploiters. More power to you then, just don't blame me when that 500k hammed womp rat sends you to the clone clinic.
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How is my post bashing role players? Sounds to me like it supported the role player's desire to avoid leet speak. I just dont think that a minority should dictate gameplay to the majority, so the first option is good, second is bad? Why do role players have to force the issue? Isnt a chat block enough?
damsel wrote: What kills me about the whole thing is that the game is called a MMORPG = massive(ly) multiplayer online role-playing game. Yet, the majority are not roleplayers. *sigh*
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I know, and your right, it is silly. Unfortunately it is the nature of things.
Part of me wants to say #1 is a good idea. If a player wants to filter the spatial chat around them then that should be their choice right? I can understand it lessening the experience when people use various forms of slang and leet etc. But what about when people go on about the basketball game last night or the latest terrorist threat? No filter can properly turn regular, natural conversation into Star Wars specific lingo.
You could replace basketball with smashball (a sport in the Expanded Universe), Talking about terrorists may be interpreted as talking about rebels as well, so it's no biggie.
Of course, there is no way to filter out everything, but at least we could filter out much of the annoying stuff. Plus, you could change swearwords to curses common in Star Wars like 'Sithspawn' as well
I think the best bet is to enjoy role-playing with the people you role-play with and to tolerate people around you who refuse.. frustrating as it can be sometimes.
I try. I have tried since launch. But lately it has been getting more and more annoying. Most of my RP friends have deserted me in favor of WOW (it has special RP servers and it is said there are far less "leet-speakers" there). Also, it seems that more and more non-roleplayers and "leet-speakers" are entering the frey. I know that many of my RP friends would have stayed if there was such a word filter, in fact we have pitched the idea around several times in the past. If it would bring them back, I do not know, probably the most Star Wars loyal of them.
There really is no reason to not implement a word filter, as it does nobody any harm and improves the experience for the ones that choose to use it.
As for #2, I'm all for enforcement of rules that would be enforced in the Star Wars world, like spitting on Imperials (worth every credit ) but to penalize leet-speak also acknowledges its existence in an official way. That I don't like. I think it really should just be ignored.
It could be seen as the NPCs not understanding what the players say and talking gibberish, thus concluding they are annoying and crazy and knock them out.
But I am seriously considering to remove the second point in the main post anyway. It just seems a little too much to want to improve people's language
Just my 2 creds... and I don't mean to be critical. Nice to see people thinking of ways to improve the experience.
Thank you for your input
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Well, bravo to you Gizmo. 5 Stars. If you are willing to tone down the second part of your suggestion, I would be all for this. Role-players need to be recognized and deserve the right to play the game as it was intended. A block would do just that.
I can see where leet-speak might bother some people but to be honest i'm not sure that what you are even looking at here is all leet-speak per se.
for example, most often when people are using pwned or uber thats the leet speak thing in action.
but u for you and thx for thanks is really more of a form of laziness, using an abbreviation rather than typing everything out. the same could even be said for lol or rofl. having any sort of negative reaction from npc's based on things like this could include pretty much any abbreviation, even new ones that may be added as the online language continues to evolve. so removing that idea is a fabulous thing
basically, what you are almost calling for is a client-side filter to correct grammatical and spelling errors rather than removing what does or does not fit with a roleplaying concept.
since this is a client side filter, you could probably get someone to write this for you as a 3rd party add-on for any game, not just swg
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I do not use l33t-speak. However, I must most strongly protest your vision, based on the simple notion that it infringes on our most basic inalienable rights as human beings. Here in the United States of America, the First Amendment of our Constitution protects us from censorship and people with notions of hindering our ability to express ourselves.
As it applies to Star Wars, I think we can all associate ourselves with the Rebel Alliance, as they stood for a set of ideals not unlike those we Americans have fought hard for the last two and a half centuries.
I am personally offended that anyone would suggest the vision you have suggested here, and suggest you keep these types of views to yourself.
damsel wrote: What kills me about the whole thing is that the game is called a MMORPG = massive(ly) multiplayer online role-playing game. Yet, the majority are not roleplayers. *sigh*
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Actually, SWG has been classified formally by the game industry as an MMOG, not an MMORPG. The notion of role-playing in SWG is optional. Case in point, the fact that there is a "Role Player" flag that one can set in their personal profile.
actually, it isn't censorship the way he has it written...its a client side filter which means there is no imposing rules on what you type, only what the person using it reads.
it is the same as me not having a subscription to the playboy channel on my cable...i don't need it and i don't want it. but me not having it is not censoring its existence, its me not being exposed to it. or perhaps a better analogy is if it turns the playbody channel into the bravo channel.
censorship is what his initial idea was, to include the responses of npc's to be decidedly negative in response to players using any leet-speak or abbreviations in their presence. this is unfairly impinging on others gameplay and removing that idea is a good thing.
many nonnative english speakers are prone to abbreviated phrases and incorrect grammar such as using u and thx which is why i call it a grammar filter....1 star me if you want but brb, bbiab, lol, rofl, afaik, and other such things are not leet-speak. they are simply time saving chat devices people use routinely and have since the first chat rooms started many years ago. more will likely be added over time
TGiamai Oewai (Elder Jedi without a clue)T
T Giaman Srawhe, 12 pt MWS [GS] Weapons, near Theed -3955, 3322T
actually, it isn't censorship the way he has it written...its a client side filter which means there is no imposing rules on what you type, only what the person using it reads.
it is the same as me not having a subscription to the playboy channel on my cable...i don't need it and i don't want it. but me not having it is not censoring its existence, its me not being exposed to it. or perhaps a better analogy is if it turns the playbody channel into the bravo channel.
censorship is what his initial idea was, to include the responses of npc's to be decidedly negative in response to players using any leet-speak or abbreviations in their presence. this is unfairly impinging on others gameplay and removing that idea is a good thing.
many nonnative english speakers are prone to abbreviated phrases and incorrect grammar such as using u and thx which is why i call it a grammar filter....1 star me if you want but brb, bbiab, lol, rofl, afaik, and other such things are not leet-speak. they are simply time saving chat devices people use routinely and have since the first chat rooms started many years ago. more will likely be added over time
I disagree with your analogy. Your analogy applies better to the ability to filter obscene language. l33t-speak is not an obscene language, but a legitimate means of expressing oneself. Just because the use of this "language" is currently prevelant with a single generation doesn't make it any less legitimate. l33t-speak represents an evolution of written language that has come about from an Internet culture. This can be likened to the evolution of spoken language over time, primarily driven by each new generation that graces our society. Do you want to stop this evolution as well?
And where does this type of censorship (and it is censorship) stop? Do you want a filter for bad spelling, poor grammar, abbreviations and acronyms?
My advice is simple. Lighten up and learn to adapt. The world is a broad base of many flavors of everything you can think of. Putting one flavor or another down is nothing less than prejudice and there is no room for these notions in any community, including online and gaming communities.
I do not use l33t-speak. However, I must most strongly protest your vision, based on the simple notion that it infringes on our most basic inalienable rights as human beings. Here in the United States of America, the First Amendment of our Constitution protects us from censorship and people with notions of hindering our ability to express ourselves.
As it applies to Star Wars, I think we can all associate ourselves with the Rebel Alliance, as they stood for a set of ideals not unlike those we Americans have fought hard for the last two and a half centuries.
I am personally offended that anyone would suggest the vision you have suggested here, and suggest you keep these types of views to yourself.
One star! If that's the way you feel, move to China or Syria, I'm sure they'd love your ideas.
) but to penalize leet-speak also acknowledges its existence in an official way. That I don't like. I think it really should just be ignored.
