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Re: So if decay isnt coming back what happens to traders?
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It's hard to comment on this subject without first seeing what the DEV's have planned for the revamp. Prehaps they have found a way to make crafted items useful without decay. The problem is that almost every other MMO with crafting uses decay as a means to keep crafting viable. For these DEV's to have solved the problem without the use of decay would mean that they have come up with a completely new crafting system never before implemented in an MMO. I'm not sure that I'm willing to give them that much credit based on prior publishes.

In the end, I think crafters will end up becoming repair-bots or a re-engineering profession. I say "profession" because re-engineering is not crafting, it is simply converting an item.

11-16-2006 10:31 PM  

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As a player with a Structural and Engineering Trader I can see an easy solution to the decay issue.  After all how many times can you fire a blaster before there is no more power? Or a slug thrower with no more slugs? Was it not mentioned that Armor Break is being put back into the game? Well better start making them armor repair kits!

Building do not need the decay if maintenance would just work the way it was intended too. Thus condemned structures auto delete upon server reset.

These aren't the droids your looking for. No kidding! I wouldn't want a droid that has a combat level 30 cap on it. But hopefully this will be fixed.

11-17-2006 12:35 AM  

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/bump from last night
11-17-2006 09:23 PM  

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Helios has also said that crafted items will not be better than quested or looted items so you've asked the question no one can answer.   Until we see more details of what the development team is considering then we're left throwing darts at the board and regurgitating the same decay/anti-decay/greedy crafter/moronic FPSer conversations.

I don't think we have to have decay to have a successful crafting system.  I'm also not opposed to having a system of decay either.   What I am opposed to is having the crafting experience reduced to supplying bullets or shoelaces.  I know that I for one enjoy being a tailor.  I like crafting an outfit the patron enjoys and wants to wear.  What will the RE system offer me exactly?  What sort of consumable items are being pictured for my tailor?    Will crafting some sort of stat attachment make me feel like I'm actually a tailor?  Will people still want to purchase clothes?   Will I ever be able to craft stat clothing so that people don't have to look like they dressed in the dark?

As a combat character I want to go to a crafter and purchase a weapon and matching armor.  I want those items to be as good as, if not better than, the crap I loot off dead animals or get for some quest.

I know what I want.  I just don't know if the developers want that too.

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11-17-2006 10:08 PM  

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Dont see why the system has to involve so much looting, there wasnt this much in the pre CU or CU and everything went along well.

Traders and ents are going to lose the small foothold they have in the game and its gonna become a completely mindless hack and slash on line game.

 

Shame I had hopes that the devs and game designers might have actually stopped taking the drugs they were on and done something.

Instead they gave us holopets.

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11-18-2006 01:16 AM  

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pest7822 wrote:
Sorry I'll take the second rate crafted wep over the wepon that came out of a rancor god knows were it was inside him!
 
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I had hope once, but it was removed from the game since it wasn't a popular profession. It was replaced by pessimism since more people were into that. I don't expect expertise to be released for it and it will probably be nerfed soon.
11-18-2006 06:14 AM  

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DaRkEe-ILbOnA wrote:
They get new stuff and new ways like Attachments to steal money ! ,Decay blows there is plenty of other resolutions.


Decay only blows if done incorrectly ...it can be a very immersive addition to the content if done correctly.

It should be added in as a part of a new system not as the basis behind one. All you no decay folks and the devs are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here IMO

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11-18-2006 06:28 AM  

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Make 30k kits loot drop items.

We can all make the best and we wouldent have to harvest so much.

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11-18-2006 06:47 AM  

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I saw that...
 
Aww... I was hoping for an insightful red update

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11-18-2006 07:26 AM  

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Here is one possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "experimental type 6 jawa ion disruptor"
  2. Someone reverse engineers the weapon.  The attempt goes poorly and all that was recovered were 500 rounds of "ionized particle ammunition:
  3. Someone else can then "load" the ammunition into a weapon they already have to give it +20% electric damage

Here's another possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "advanced non-biological symphonoid membrane malfunction contraborator" on a droid
  2. Someone happens to have spent several expertise points to gain advanced reverse engineering abilities
  3. Someone reverse engineers the contraborator, gets an amazing reverse engineering success and manages to extract the uncommon "rocket booster" component
  4. Someone uses the rocket booster component to craft an "advanced propulsion kit"
  5. Someone uses the advanced propulstion kit to increase the travel speed on their swoop bike for a couple of hours (which happens to run the swoop down a little faster due to the stress on the components caused by the propulsion kit)

There are many ways to create an economy for crafters without decay and without making everything crafted better than everything looted.  Crafters want useful and wanted goods, adventurers want useful loot drops.  Both can be had.

11-18-2006 07:41 AM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:

Here is one possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "experimental type 6 jawa ion disruptor"
  2. Someone reverse engineers the weapon.  The attempt goes poorly and all that was recovered were 500 rounds of "ionized particle ammunition:
  3. Someone else can then "load" the ammunition into a weapon they already have to give it +20% electric damage

Here's another possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "advanced non-biological symphonoid membrane malfunction contraborator" on a droid
  2. Someone happens to have spent several expertise points to gain advanced reverse engineering abilities
  3. Someone reverse engineers the contraborator, gets an amazing reverse engineering success and manages to extract the uncommon "rocket booster" component
  4. Someone uses the rocket booster component to craft an "advanced propulsion kit"
  5. Someone uses the advanced propulstion kit to increase the travel speed on their swoop bike for a couple of hours (which happens to run the swoop down a little faster due to the stress on the components caused by the propulsion kit)

There are many ways to create an economy for crafters without decay and without making everything crafted better than everything looted.  Crafters want useful and wanted goods, adventurers want useful loot drops.  Both can be had.




Thank you for clearing this up now at least I know crafters will stay pointless and my alt account can stay cancelled, good job.

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Leaving due to Helio's response on decay, and the selfish attitude of the current player base (and no my main isnt a crafter just fed up of these guys taking it in the ass).
11-18-2006 07:45 AM  

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So if decay isnt coming back what happens to traders?
 


They move on to another game and leave behind only the alts of combatants to make their ammo.  Everyone is happy then. 
11-18-2006 07:48 AM  

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Decay sucks I am so glad they are not introducing it back in.

I like the ideas of RE stuff and modifying loot but what will shipwrites get as they already have this ability?

While tailors wont like this idea I think every diffrent type of crafter should be able to RE a diffrent stat bonus item a lot like how mando armour is made so it doesn't over power armoursmiths and tailors.

11-18-2006 07:48 AM  

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Helios_SOE wrote:

Here is one possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "experimental type 6 jawa ion disruptor"
  2. Someone reverse engineers the weapon.  The attempt goes poorly and all that was recovered were 500 rounds of "ionized particle ammunition:
  3. Someone else can then "load" the ammunition into a weapon they already have to give it +20% electric damage

Here's another possible scenario:

  1. Someone finds an "advanced non-biological symphonoid membrane malfunction contraborator" on a droid
  2. Someone happens to have spent several expertise points to gain advanced reverse engineering abilities
  3. Someone reverse engineers the contraborator, gets an amazing reverse engineering success and manages to extract the uncommon "rocket booster" component
  4. Someone uses the rocket booster component to craft an "advanced propulsion kit"
  5. Someone uses the advanced propulstion kit to increase the travel speed on their swoop bike for a couple of hours (which happens to run the swoop down a little faster due to the stress on the components caused by the propulsion kit)

There are many ways to create an economy for crafters without decay and without making everything crafted better than everything looted.  Crafters want useful and wanted goods, adventurers want useful loot drops.  Both can be had.




Without decay and Crafted better than looted,i'm leaving.

Run some pool on decay already!

Let the players choose what they want.

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11-18-2006 07:49 AM  

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that sounds really cool helios

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