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FennerDustwalker
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Alright, this is my first post ever, although I've been playing for, oh, a bit over a month and a half.
 
 
 
Now, my impressions, based on what I have experienced in the game and the test.
 
Classes: From what I have seen, these are almost just like classes in most other games.  There are 4 Tiers to the class, and what would seem like 4 skills per Tier, much like before.  You are just locked in.  Also note that it is not Force Sensitive, it IS Jedi as a class, and rather than Farmer Skywalker we see Return Skywalker, when he is in all black.  However, note that you will still use a gun, and from what I've seen in the skills, you only get a lightsaber close to the start of Tier 4.  (And no, I didn't pick Jedi to be some noob fanboy.  I am an RPer, and was getting ready to start the basics of Jedi training, becoming initially Force Sensitive, when the NGE was announced.)
 
Movement: This is rather ackward in the NGE, there is no walk key from what I have found, and the movements all all very instant.  In many respects this can be both better or worse, although I do not think that vehicle riding will be much easier with this, assuming it effects that too.
 
Combat: The big question from everyone.  Combat.  Well....it's confusing to be honest.  You have to click an object to select it, if you can attack you have to keep clicking it.  It does not seem that you can actually miss, and the few enemies (Boxes and Stormtroopers) I have fought did not display any real tactics.  They just stood still.  Overall, this is almost exactly the same as before, we still click, except now we click the target instead of a bar.  I have not found any form of self-heal yet.  There seem to be no fighting tactics as of yet, no kneeling in combat, prone, jumping, it's literally just aiming and maybe running if you want.  I do not know if the enemy missles still "home" in while running, but it seems like it.
 
UI: The new UI is very basic, and very different.  It is also fairly ineffective, and would have been better to be unchanged.  This is one of the worst things I have seen yet in this new....improvement, so it's called.  I have also noticed no way to chat, and in general the new UI is overall confusing, and I'd imagine newer players might have a problem with this.  It is, however, notable that you cannot use the Combat and UI modes at the same time, you have to switch like in space with alt.  I've also noticed an exp. bar, which to me means that there is in fact a standard MMORPG form of leveling rather than leveling based on skills bought as in pre-NGE.
 
Selections: This is difficult...I find opening boxes and such, equiping, looting, etc. to seem to "lag" between when you click and when it opens, and from what I've seen may require double clicking and then waiting.  I have not really noticed right clicking in almost any way yet, but maybe I just didn't try...
 
Play: Play...well, what can I say.  I get a few instructions from a bronze droid and a smuggler.  I could not get aboard the Millenium Falcon, and in logged out.  But as of now all I can say....it's a bunch of running, and clicking.
 
 
Overall I'm going to say the the main improvement was in Player Creation, which is simplified, but just the same lacks things such as the Bio and whatnot.  From what I have seen, the current game is generally better than what the NGE promises to bring, but that is just my opinion.
 
It will definately need to be fleshed out, and would surely need either multiple characters per server per person, and it would also need to allow for hybrid classes.  It would probably be better in the World of Warcraft system, where you have a Combat Class at all times, and can have two Crafting Classes, in this case we would have the various forms.  Merchant, Musician, Dancer, Weaponsmith, etc, rather than those be actual classes to themselves.

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So far, I have to say, I'm loving it. I'm having a blast!
If only I could get past the ramp of the Mellanium Falcon.
 
And by the way, the voices are great! I can only hope there's many more.

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I would like to have the option of getting my old controls back I do not like fps style game play.  I really enjoy the complexity of the old SWG style

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The good
Voice overs are a nice touch.

The Bad
Only Star Wars Galaxies keymap.
Can't get on to the Falcon.
Snappy movement.
Chat window will not open.

The ugly.
UI is drab at best.
Skills windows are absolutlely terrible. They look like a colouring book circa 1980.

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I'd like to know how to kneel or go prone or something like that when i am fighting the stormtroopers.  Oh and like everyone says, getting on the falcon would be nice
 

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I am not impressed as of yet, the single click interface is very newbesque. Windows still has a double click feature, why cant SWG? The movement is far from smooth and makes your eyes hurt if you move too much (my eyes at least). The layout of the keyboard is far from the norm, the “combat / gui” have been given the primary keys and chat?. Well lets just say I lost connection before I could get that far. The “over the shoulder” camera is very frustrating, thank god u can zoom out, the cursor has no “lock on” feature, (I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong), so you can’t seem to target and hold that target. The actual HUD looks tiny, and I can barely read them, with no option to resize, does this mean ill have to change my resolution down from 1280x1024?.. All in all first impressions, I am NOT impressed!

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Um... Would make a good console game?  Hmmmmmm.


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AudioOrgana wrote:
1) Of course, stuck on the Falcon, like everyone else (I can get in but no one is there, but I heard the second Han voice-over.).

2) Going from pressing buttons to clicking the mouse...same repetative action to me, just putting it on the mouse instead of the keyboard.

3) The keymap is the deal breaker. It was all I could do to get around the hangar. I do not play FPS on PC's because I can't stand having to move using a keyboard constantly and this horrible forced-WSAD movement just isn't going to work for me. It's not something I need to "get used to", I've tried for many years and it just doesn't work for me. If there is no option (say, a toggle key) to use the mouse for movement, I won't be able to play. Period.

Although I am excited for new Star Warsy content, #3 is going to gate myself and others from it.

AO


/agree  It also felt extremely twitchy and moved so that I got the start of a headache and semi-naseous.  Would know more but the lovely crash was inevitable. 
 
The star-warsy-ness of it was great but it does seem to force one to go rebel.

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So far Han sums it up "This place is gonna blow!"
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my honest first impressions...

first off, let me preface this by saying i am a huge proponant of making some sweeping changes.

with this said, there is zero doubt that this is a totally new game. i dont mind that, i figure at least i didnt have to go out and purchase swg2 for$50.

a few big issues....

1) its very jerky. i feel like i need a joystick to play. sensitivity needs to be toned wayyyy down

2)movement sucks. period. it would be ok if you can make your char spin and then move forward, but as it stands now you have to turn with one hand ont he mouse, and walk with your keyboard. fix this asap. this WILL be an issue for people ..... and yes. i am sure this was designed for ps3 or whatever. i also dont mind this, but i think soe needs to come clean on this one.

3)change the color of the targeting cursor thing or somehow make it more visible (maybe give people the option to change the color). it gets lost in the shuffle a bit

on the positive side:

1) much more action based. i HOPE you intend on adding a chat bar thing. as i see it now, there is no chat capability. but maybe that is post tutorial

2)the combat is definately more action packed. i like the click and shoot thing, but maybe allow for an auto rate of fire of some sort as an option

3)i like the new interface, but it needs to be cleaned up. its still a little overly simplistic

all in all its decent. no major complaints except movement and the lack of abilty to spin in place and being forced to use both the keyboard and mouse to move. too clumsy.
 
make no mistake about it though, this is swg2. this is NOT the same game. i appreciate getting a new game for free. for those who complain that they didnt pay for this game, i will say "you paid for and used swg1", you have an option to play swg2 and not have to buy the $50 box
 
devs/marketing go ahead and send out emails to past subscribers and invite them back (even offer them a free trial or a discount for a month to try it out). i think youll get more than a few back, but do yourselves a favor and be very clear that this is NOT the same game as swg1. its very similar and seems funner, but its NOT the same game. the interface and game play style is 180 degrees different, and thats ok by me. swg1 was getting boring anyhow

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My first impression was it seems pretty good. not to thrilled bout the tutoral though couldnt even get by it. The graphics see pretty good and the voices sound just like the actors. But Tons of bugs though in the tutoral. like the health bars not going down when shooting the boxs, or the stormtroppers which take forever to kill. and of course the Falcon issue.  If u can get by the Tutoral i bet this game can be very good.
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The grahpics are set for a console now. The way you change directions and what not ... hmm. Anywho I would love to know how to board the Falcon....

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my 1st impression is that theres an incredible amount of bugs.

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I like it so far..if I could get on the Falcon....but the point and shoot interface is nice...I like the fact that their are voices...no more having to read the bubbles....all in all so far nice change and I look forward to seeing the rest of the changes

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