The reason why we got this change, instead of a smuggler revamp is that this was easy for the devs to do.
BH Missions were already in place. Nothing in bounty hunter changed. They slightly modified that if a NPC mission is taken, then there is a % to be a high level mob. If it's a high level mob, this is the loot you can get.
Thats a jedi for you cry nerf on every skill that can kill them yet they dont mind being able to hit for 2k dam every 3 secs, i say we nerf Jedi lightsabers and bring the dam back down some. I mean come on 2k dam in one hit? heck with lastditch you have to be almost dead for it to do anything and thats if it dont miss. So any jedi that think last ditch needs to be nerf can well you know *gulp gulp* me,
Message Edited by Vanin-Trf on 07-23-200509:43 AM
You are an idiot. I dont even know where to begin debunking this tripe that you are spewing in the forum.
Who got Feign Death Nerfed? ill give you a hint it wasnt The Jedi. Jedi were using it in battle and the Bounty Hunters Cried and got it nerfed. Jedi got this nerfed because they were using to avoid death... much like cloaking now. It was stated by the devs that no one should be invincible and that is why they were nerfing FD.
Now some bounty hunters are using other parts of smuggler i.e. advanced concussion shot, and Last Ditch. Advanced concussion was said to be broken awhile back. The Change was not due to Jedi it is due to it not working as intended.
Jedi do not hit for 2k every 3 seconds. I dont know where you get your information from but it is very, very wrong. Pre-CU sure back when LS did LS damage then they hit for alot more. Sabers are maxed at 800 damage. With the modifiers in place you may get close to 2k but not every 3 seconds. Tell this to the Jedi who are overloading their LS's and doing 1.7k+ damage every second with Force speed and not having to even use Armor Break.
More like 300-600 every 3-4 seconds if you have Force Speed, and or Master Lightsabers. Pffft... you don't know much about your own profession or the exploits your profession is using... who's the idiot now?
Last ditch is not being used as it was meant to be used. IT was meant to be a "Last Ditch" attack. Slapping a ST to get your health down then using it as a first strike is not in the intention.
If it was it would be called something like "SlappyStormtrooperInstaJediKill" and im sure the description would state that it is a first round attack.
Those of you that think the Developers are out to get you really need to seek some professional help.
Most of you probably dont remember Bounty Hunter when you had to have MasterScout/MAsterMarksman. Had less defense than a Dancer, and couldnt suppliment the profession with much of anything since you used so many skill points. I was there. I have been a BH since August '03 and a Master since November '03. But this is a moot point and I don't understand where you are going with this.
Bounty Hunter has come along way, and has had far more given than taken away. Do not forget your past. Heck the Developers even had a special publish that dropped most of the requirements to get MBH so you could dabble more. A special publish? I don't recall an actual BH revamp or a Smuggler revamp either. But I do recall 2 Jedi revamps.
Quit the incessant whining and learn to play your toon, and enjoy the game. If you cannot do either of those the /cancell. The game would be better off without your crying to drag things down. Wow... coming from a profession that uses the most exploits in the game, vastly overpowered for their numbers, ruined the GCW and made it to where you need to be a Jedi to compete and likes to try to be the superior voice on the forums...
Let's see....
Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on
Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now
Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission.
Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked.
Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH.
Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH.
Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat.
Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action.
Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.
Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH.
Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH.
I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-200503:27 PM
Why are we getting a mission revamp and the smugglers are getting squat?
because smugglers have last ditch and are unwilling to give it up.
the BH's are a little different, when the subject of the changes to the missions came up, several reasonable voices chimed in after recognizing the need for change....those that were countering the arguement, for the most part, ended up being proof that the system needed to change.
when smugglers are willing to give up 1hit incaps (which should be pretty soon) they'll get the code that is already in development
That's BS! Smugglers have been nerfed, crapped-on, over looked and ignored the entire history of this game! Before the slicing changes they could at least make a buck, now thats out the window! They deserve a QUALITY revamp asap, last ditch or not. It sickens me that SOE would sh!te on a profession for this long! As a MBH I like the attention or profession gets, but our smuggler friends have been very patient...they deserve some dev love....not prison love like they have had so far!
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Thats a jedi for you cry nerf on every skill that can kill them yet they dont mind being able to hit for 2k dam every 3 secs, i say we nerf Jedi lightsabers and bring the dam back down some. I mean come on 2k dam in one hit? heck with lastditch you have to be almost dead for it to do anything and thats if it dont miss. So any jedi that think last ditch needs to be nerf can well you know *gulp gulp* me,
Message Edited by Vanin-Trf on 07-23-200509:43 AM
I agree! I hate to say "nerf Jedi", but in reality, the only way to get this MMORG back on track is to nerf jedi down to the level of the other porfessions. In MMORG's you cannot have one profession that is more powerful than others. The player base will naturally gravitate to that direction. Thats why jedi outnumber smugglers by like 10 to1. Eventually , the only ones who won't be jedi are noobs and those grinding jedi. At the rate things are going, I bet the devs will start eliminating profession due to lack of interest.
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"That's BS! Smugglers have been nerfed, crapped-on, over looked and ignored the entire history of this game! Before the slicing changes they could at least make a buck, now thats out the window! They deserve a QUALITY revamp asap, last ditch or not. It sickens me that SOE would sh!te on a profession for this long! As a MBH I like the attention or profession gets, but our smuggler friends have been very patient...they deserve some dev love....not prison love like they have had so far!"
I'm about to give up smuggler myself, the slicing bit is very agonizing, I have had ppl come to me asking for advanced slices and I keep telling them to go find the loots and bring them to me but I at least make a buck doing tier 2 slices but past that it gives me no benefit unless I loot the item myself and sell the weapon or armor for 1+ mil credit. Smuggler has and still is getting hurt by the game system and the abuse of abilities being used by other professions as stated above (lastditch and feign), guess I'll do mass factory runs of booster blue before I dump the profession.
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Why are we getting a mission revamp and the smugglers are getting squat?
because smugglers have last ditch and are unwilling to give it up.
the BH's are a little different, when the subject of the changes to the missions came up, several reasonable voices chimed in after recognizing the need for change....those that were countering the arguement, for the most part, ended up being proof that the system needed to change.
when smugglers are willing to give up 1hit incaps (which should be pretty soon) they'll get the code that is already in development
i say make smugglers UBER ... they've shown enough patience.. give them something to actually smuggle ...and tons of NPC content ... in fact i say make smugglers uber in space combat the way jedi are uber in ground combat .. and only allow the master smuggler to benefit from this .. it would help keep jedi numbers low too .. in that many wont want to give up superiorty as a pilot .. to be a jedi
Who got Feign Death Nerfed? ill give you a hint it wasnt The Jedi. Jedi were using it in battle and the Bounty Hunters Cried and got it nerfed
Funny thing is FD was in game for about a year without it getting nerfed. It was not until JEDI used it to escape BH death that it got nerfed.
The funny thing to me it that this thread was about a BH saying that SMUGGLER should have gotten love before our newest love but yet a JEDI stuck his nose in here and started a flame war. You guys can't stand when other people get stuff, or even when other people think some one else should have gotten something.
on my server ive heard of entire PVP fleets being formed ... imperiel VS rebel to duke it out in space ... might give renewed interest too if smugglers got some original content for space ..
Who got Feign Death Nerfed? ill give you a hint it wasnt The Jedi. Jedi were using it in battle and the Bounty Hunters Cried and got it nerfed
Funny thing is FD was in game for about a year without it getting nerfed. It was not until JEDI used it to escape BH death that it got nerfed.
The funny thing to me it that this thread was about a BH saying that SMUGGLER should have gotten love before our newest love but yet a JEDI stuck his nose in here and started a flame war. You guys can't stand when other people get stuff, or even when other people think some one else should have gotten something.
a bit like the combat medics, they were uber until they found they could take down a full temp jedi and then they were nerfed.
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Funny thing is FD was in game for about a year without it getting nerfed. It was not until JEDI used it to escape BH death that it got nerfed.
The funny thing to me it that this thread was about a BH saying that SMUGGLER should have gotten love before our newest love but yet a JEDI stuck his nose in here and started a flame war. You guys can't stand when other people get stuff, or even when other people think some one else should have gotten something.
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This isn't even one of our top 5 issues and its been addressed. This stinks. Smugglers were promised missions about 6 months ago and all they got from there "revamp" was a slicing systems that was changed 3 days before going live.
Jedi are the most hated profession ingame by the majority of professions, because of there constant attention, but recently I noticed alot of hostility towards bounty hunter because of the "attention" we are recieving.
I am beginning to wonder if this is the start of a master plan by SOE to takeaway player hatred from the jedi and place it on the BH's.
If we continue to get things we don't ask for while glaring exploits, bugged ridden professions and broken promises of revamps, many more professions will turn on us.
What really is bugging me though is if the development wants to show us love, why not combat one of our top issues like
Offline missions showing up in huge numbers on mission terms
Droids on Kashyyyk not tracking or giving names
None of our states stick on a regular basis in PvP
All that will happen after this patch is ALL jedi alts and None PvP players will respec to MBH in the hope of looting some pearls or a cash cow, seeing a massive increase in our profession, again making smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, entertainers, etc hate us.
Why must it always be a conspiracy theory? It is as simple as I was working on BH/Jedi missions and ran a few NPC missions and went "Wow, these are lame, Why would anyone want to do these?" So I came into work over a weekend and made some new challenging Marks, created some new loot, and re-itemized.
It was as simple as something was lame, I thought I could make it better, and fixed it up in my freetime.
Not everyone is about the PvP game, and even those that are like a bit of respite from it every now and then. Plus with nice new loot on there, who wouldn't want to kill some Marks?
This isn't even one of our top 5 issues and its been addressed. This stinks. Smugglers were promised missions about 6 months ago and all they got from there "revamp" was a slicing systems that was changed 3 days before going live.
Jedi are the most hated profession ingame by the majority of professions, because of there constant attention, but recently I noticed alot of hostility towards bounty hunter because of the "attention" we are recieving.
I am beginning to wonder if this is the start of a master plan by SOE to takeaway player hatred from the jedi and place it on the BH's.
If we continue to get things we don't ask for while glaring exploits, bugged ridden professions and broken promises of revamps, many more professions will turn on us.
What really is bugging me though is if the development wants to show us love, why not combat one of our top issues like
Offline missions showing up in huge numbers on mission terms
Droids on Kashyyyk not tracking or giving names
None of our states stick on a regular basis in PvP
All that will happen after this patch is ALL jedi alts and None PvP players will respec to MBH in the hope of looting some pearls or a cash cow, seeing a massive increase in our profession, again making smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, entertainers, etc hate us.
Why must it always be a conspiracy theory? It is as simple as I was working on BH/Jedi missions and ran a few NPC missions and went "Wow, these are lame, Why would anyone want to do these?" So I came into work over a weekend and made some new challenging Marks, created some new loot, and re-itemized.
It was as simple as something was lame, I thought I could make it better, and fixed it up in my freetime.
Not everyone is about the PvP game, and even those that are like a bit of respite from it every now and then. Plus with nice new loot on there, who wouldn't want to kill some Marks?
This isn't even one of our top 5 issues and its been addressed. This stinks. Smugglers were promised missions about 6 months ago and all they got from there "revamp" was a slicing systems that was changed 3 days before going live.
Jedi are the most hated profession ingame by the majority of professions, because of there constant attention, but recently I noticed alot of hostility towards bounty hunter because of the "attention" we are recieving.
I am beginning to wonder if this is the start of a master plan by SOE to takeaway player hatred from the jedi and place it on the BH's.
If we continue to get things we don't ask for while glaring exploits, bugged ridden professions and broken promises of revamps, many more professions will turn on us.
What really is bugging me though is if the development wants to show us love, why not combat one of our top issues like
Offline missions showing up in huge numbers on mission terms
Droids on Kashyyyk not tracking or giving names
None of our states stick on a regular basis in PvP
All that will happen after this patch is ALL jedi alts and None PvP players will respec to MBH in the hope of looting some pearls or a cash cow, seeing a massive increase in our profession, again making smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, entertainers, etc hate us.
Why must it always be a conspiracy theory? It is as simple as I was working on BH/Jedi missions and ran a few NPC missions and went "Wow, these are lame, Why would anyone want to do these?" So I came into work over a weekend and made some new challenging Marks, created some new loot, and re-itemized.
It was as simple as something was lame, I thought I could make it better, and fixed it up in my freetime.
Not everyone is about the PvP game, and even those that are like a bit of respite from it every now and then. Plus with nice new loot on there, who wouldn't want to kill some Marks?
youve done a good thing mate but by posting here youre going to get mass flames generally asking why all the other promised good things havent happend, anyway good work on the npc marks, i for one look forward to trying them out
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