In my UIS. file I noticed that my holocron professions had a Question mark in front of them.... I thought that was odd....

My path....

*Warrant 2 Rebel

*Rebel Theme Park

Master marksman

Master Creature Handler

Holo 1: Medic

Holo 2: Pistoleer

Holo 3: Droid Engineer

Holo 4: Doctor

Now,,,, According to this theory are you saying I should master Combat medic?

Now I know very little about all these theorys (other than the 4+1) but this theory actually makes sense.  Think of all the "hints" the dev's gave us and think of all the things the game actually says.

As I understand it, the holocrons say "You must gain experience in the XXX tree" - they dont say "Master Bounty Hunter" or "Master Scout" - they merely tell you IMO which metric you are lacking in the most.

Off you go mastering the profession and by that time (possibly) you will have enough XP in that metric for it not to be the lowest anymore (not to say that you have enough to actually trigger completion of the metric) if you understand what I am saying.?  this would explain why people get holo's that tell them to master 2 combat trees in concurrance!!

For example using easy figures.  lets say at char creation the computer decides you need:

100 combat

100 social

100 science

100 outdoors

100 crafting

You master marksman which gives you 10 combat xp say  - you master entertainer (25 social xp), master medic (20 science XP), master CH (75 outdoors XP).

1st holo says master merchant (as you have 0 crafting xp) - 30 crafting xp

2nd holo will say master pistoleer - say for whatever reason that gave you 5 combat xp

3rd holo SHOULD still suggest a combat metric based skill going on the above, however each time you enter combat you will get XP so it probably wouldnt as by that time you would probably be over the limit required for the combat metric.

I do think this could be the correct theory - it certainly makes attaining FSCS much more fun than grinding away !!

the original crop of jedi all got their slots the 1st time they got xp because jedi was not turned on until that friday...

it is the same way that we all qualified for novice politician the 1st time we got xp after that patch

they claimed that ppl were close to jedi and that jedi were implemented in the game... they never said that that implementation had been turned on though...

funny how the 1st jedi coincided with the euro-launch huh? especially after all the delays and angry customers over there...

As I understand it, the holocrons say "You must gain experience in the XXX tree" - they dont say "Master Bounty Hunter" or "Master Scout" - they merely tell you IMO which metric you are lacking in the most.

From my experience my first Holo said that I must 'Master Teras Kasi' specifically.

I like the theory for the concept.  Yet as a master fencer turned master swordsman being asked to master TKA by a Holocron I have to wonder.  I have also mastered Scout, Medic, Doctor and came close to mastering SL.  Doctoring has some crafting but I have not done much artisan work.  I have never been any kind of entertainer.

So, given this theory I am heavy in combat, well versed in outdoors and the sciences.  If anything I would now expect to see Holos point me towards entertainment at some point.  Clearly I am lacking in this area.  Crafting is next on the list and I am expecting something like armour or weaponsmithing to come my way (which wont bother me as I have plenty of cash and heavy harvesters).  As for social, I did MUCH grouping as an SL and have tipped, chatted and done bunches of fun stuff with other people.  I am also a major in the Alliance (although not done rebel stuff for months now) and have done a number of the theme parks.

I will wait and see what the next holo gives me, but so far for as much as I like the theory, it is not working quite right.  I have always been combat oriented and I got a holo telling to master TK.  I have just mastered TK after only a week or so of effort and will be looking for new holos.  I wont be dropping TKM EVER!  In fact, I will drop Doctor before I do that.  IMHO TKM is without a doubt the best brawling profession in the game (Yes, I am happy to give up the double mind bleeds for Force of Will, Power Boost, KD/Dizzy and wound healing in meditation - I was never able to get 4-5k mind with food, PB and without spice before).

Thanks for the time spent thinking on this hypothesis.  When I get the silent holo I will bear it in mind and enjoy the chance to go through some entertaining.  I suspect there is a whole side of the game I am missing anyway. 

As a final note, I agree with earlier advice.  Getting stressed by a game is not fun.  Focusing on the grind, while a sign of exceptional dedication to a dream, is unlikely to increase your enjoyment of the game.  Through the holos I discovered TKA.  I got lucky; I now have a combat profession that I will never drop.  However, I accept that getting holos is going to be a long journey.  Some day I will unlock that slot.  I accept that it may take a year or two; it may take less.  But no matter what happens, the hunt for holos comes second to my enjoyment.  Yes, when I see a FS NPC on Dantooine, my heart races.  When he doesnt drop a holo I sigh.  However, I smile as my character takes them out solo without pets.  I smile as I gain my experience in how to handle those skills and hotkeys I have at my disposal.  I grin as the tactic I drempt up the previous night comes off sweetly.  In all, I smile.  While you are hunting for that ever elusive FS slot, remember that the end of that journey ends with a new one where permadeath is your ultimate reality.  You might grind like a madman to be killed by a BH who happened to stumble across you while you had a TEF on.  If you couldn't smile through the grind and got stressed, how are you going to handle "permadarth"?

And if 'leave the game' is your only answer, then I really have failed to communicate my point clearly enough.  Enjoy the hunt and may the force be with you!

Cheerz,

Cayne

Gnipper, excellent question on the Silent Holo.  What does it mean exactly?

I can tell you it does not mean you have satisfied the metrics identified by prior holos.  A number of jedi would get one in a crafting profession, say Artisan, and their next holo would be something in another metric, but the slot unlock was in the artisan tree.

I had hoped to find that the holos were telling you you needed a certain metric and evaluated your progress 4 times against the metrics you needed.  For example, Holo 1 "looks" at your toon and says, ok, needs Crafting, so do Architect.  Holo 2 reevaluates and says, ok, enough crafting, now do Medic.  Holo 3 follows, etc.  and the silence after Holo 4 means that you have exhausted all of the metrics evaluated by the 4 holos.

Unfortunately, it does not work that way.

Thus, the way the holos work tends to support the 4+1 theory more than the metric one since they just move from one profession to another and simply stop at the 4th.

Uninformed, you make my point exactly, that the holo's will tell you (or not in the case of the silent holo) the metric that you are lowest in - be that what it may.

You may have a crafting profession for your 3rd holo and then the silent one may still be a crafting one cos that is the metric you still havent completed yet (all the others having hit their target)

Of course, all this is only a theory but it looks good to me!

more likely the reason they didn't assign retro badges is because they were not tracking ALL professions, you mastered, just the ones that pertained to your FSCS. 

If I had mastered, lets say with no Holo direction, all 6 (original) base professions, and suddenly badges showed up for say, 2 of them, and 2 only, then I could probably safely assume that those 2 would have been holo professions. 

it makes no sense to track what all you have mastered/accomplished UNLESS it pertains to something they ARE tracking.  do they have any idea how many voritor hunters i've killed? not unless killing a certain number is a requisite...there's just no reason for them to hold data that doesn't matter.

THAT is my best theory as to why they didn't assign retro badges...it would give away professions to those who had mastered things along the line...everyone see what I'm getting at?

a'cer

Precisely.  THAT is the real question, isn't it?  But it is hard to figure out what to do when your Holo goes silent nonetheless.

For example, mine in order were ID, Merchant and Medic, with Marksman and Commando mastered prior to use of all holos.  I mastered Scout afterwards.  One could extrapolate on a metric theory that I had completed all Combat, Social and Crafting exp.

So here is the X Factor:  do I need to move up the Science tree and master CM and Doc?  Or focus on Outdoors?  Or is it entirely irrelevant and there is still Combat to do?

So for me the metrics approach doesnt really help.