Quadork:  Jedi Registry.  Is this one of the stickies, or are you pointing to an outside source?

Prances,

I think your observations of "fullfilling of metrics" of other people who have unlocked is merely the probabilities of randomness, nothing more.

I also started with a very metric based theory, but I have observed almost every FS Unlock post and marked them and there HAS been some that were only in 1 or 2 metrics, those are the theory breakers right there.  The only way to explain things like "opened with only combat professions" or "opened with only basic professions" is randomness.

Its a sad thing, but it seems all too easy to believe that the devs made it something without logic or continuuity, just a roll of the dice.

Not that this means much, but before my I found my first holocron I dabbled in alot of different professions.

Dabbled in, artisan,entertainer, medic, marksmen., Mastered scout, mastered CH, and curently 2 boxes from mastering pistoleer.

Now i recently used my first and only holo and guess what it said.. to master Pikeman, a brawler class wich is the only type of class i have no Exp in..

just coincedence maybe, but it does go along with the hypothisis in this post..

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Quadork wrote:

Although I'd love to believe in this theory, I simply cannot.

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Me too...but really, it's all just speculation and won't change how I play the game.  I'm just a dabbler in this Jedi stuff right now, and know, as such, I'll probably never make it.  But, I've learned that I'm an 'Achiever' and need to try out new stuff to continually be engaged in the game.  So yes, right now I'm near MCH, and have started work on BH....later I'd like to try Ranger and Doctor.  Heck, I might learn to play an instrument one day.  But, whatever, I digress...

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Quadork wrote:

Reasons:  Thunderheart told us that "When Raph told me the FS requirements, I couldn't believe that it was so simple."  Now correct me if I'm wrong, but explaining how each profession falls into a certain metric and that each metric has a different xp monitor on it and that if a character was able to attain the exp in all five specific metrics then they would unlock.... That doesn't seem all that "simple" to me.  HOWEVER, "All a player has to do is master 5 professions that were randomly chosen for them when they created their character" seems VERY simple to me.

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Well, I must respectively disagree that this is too complicated.  The point that Prances was making about the *.uis file in our directories (which IS just a log of recent occurences) is that each skilltree is ALREADY divided up into one of those 5 categories.  So, whether it's just that you have to master one of each, or do so much in each of these 5 aspects of the game or whatever, those subdivisions are part of the game's code.  Maybe it's just master a random prof in each category and nothing to do with some random XP requirement for each.  Who knows...but I'd like to look at the paths of the Jedi we know exist so far and see.  (Hopefully I'll have a bit more time to do so after tomorrow.  Maybe you or someone else already has.)  Um, I think you said you saw some paths that weren't divided up at all as far as these 5 categories?  Would you mind posting whose those were, I'd be very interested in looking at them.

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Quadork wrote:

 Monika got hers killing a picket.  Now, the act of killing the picket didn't do it, it was the fact that the system credited her xp points for whatever skill she used to kill the picket, WHICH CAUSED the system to look at her professions and thereby open her slot (all five were mastered).  If you think about it, this happens every time you go back to using accumulated experience from another class.  If I give up marksman and have 10,000 extra xp left, the first thing that happens when I train marksman again is the notice that "You now qualify for blah blah blah"  THAT is the point where the server makes the checks, verifies the lists and so forth.  From a programming standpoint this makes TOTAL sense because you wouldn't want the server to CONTINUALLY be checking gained xp versus "necessary" xp.  The bandwidth usage would be through the roof!

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I agree about the first check in the morning thing.    Question though:  What had she just done the day before?  Did she master a profession?  I looked at her initial post and didn't see it mentioned.  I'm just curious to find out...

Anyways, this is fun and I hope to be able to do more legwork myself over this Christmas break.  Will it change how I play?  Nope, probably not.  Even if it is based solely on XP gathered, mastering a profession seems to be the best way to get that XP.  Even if it is as bland as the 4+1 theory, then mastering is the way to go.  Either way, I enjoy the game and just hope that I get to enjoy the other aspects of it some day.

--Djibutyyl

Oh, FWIW, if I were to get lucky and loot a holo tomorrow, I must admit that I would change how I play--I'd finish CH and do as it said   (bleh, unless it was ID or Dancer...who's ever heard of a dancing wookiee?!?)That's the only 'certainty' we have right now as I see it...

i like this thoery but

i think there was a person who unlocked a few days ago with a second acount who just did profs, and all it took was like 7 masteries in which 2 were basic.

If thats not true then how bout this:

scout master

BE master

CH master

marksman master

BH 3-4-4-4

commando 0-0-4-3

that was before holos

tailor holo1  master

sword holo2  master

pistoleer holo3 master

pikeman holo4 msater

then i did

brawler master

artisan master

medic master

entertainer msater

commando master

ID master

now i am working on doc currently 3-4-4-0

where does that put me in this metric what havent i done enough of, and before the game ive been to alot of places,pois,did a theme park, both dark/light jedi missions

I am not so sure about the metric just yet, however this is an interesting thread so i will post as well.

I started as a Human Brawler 3 days after launch.

Mastered Brawler and moved on to Teras Kasi Artist. Upon completion of TKA, I got Novice Fencer/Novice Swordsman and Novice Pikeman.

To continue building my Melee Tank, I then Mastered Fencer.

I was MasterBrawler/TKA/Fencer and novice in Sword and Pike. I stayed this way for a long time. So long in fact that I maxed unarmed xp as well as One-Hand Xp.

If this theory is correct, is it not safe to say that I had more than enough Combat XP?

So here comes the Holocron Craze. My first Holocron told me to Master Squad Leader wich is also combat is it not?

So here is what I have done in order and tell me what I should do next. Because as much as I love to think logically. The DEVs have proven to me that logic does not exist in this game.

Brawler

TKA

Fencer

1rst Holo SquadLeader

2nd Holo (looted but not mastered at this time, MERCHANT!!)

Scout

after 4 weeks Mastered Merchant (wich was 2nd holo )

3rd holo (Silent =( )

Medic

Artisan

Combat Medic (to prove number pattern theory FALSE =(  )

So now I am working on Marksman so that I can go Commando and prove another Theory wrong.

Brawler to SquadLeader is 6 counts backwards in professions list. From Squad Leader to Merchant is 7 counts backwards. From Merchant to Combat Medic is 8 counts. (did this in hopes that number pattern would unlock)

Currently working on the 115 skill boxes theory, less Holocron profession to get a better shot at what the silent should be.  Based on this theory my only to options for Silent profession are Combat Medic wich I just completed. And Commando wich I am currently trying to grind.

you can find the 115 skill box theory in this thread:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=178559

I will keep you guys posted.

Actually Squad Leader is considered "Outdoors".

Going with this theory I would work on science(medic) and socials(entertainer).

Good luck!

Tarac Haldon
Master Musician/Master Entertainer
Bloodfin Entertainers Guild (BEG), near Bestine, Tatooine, aka BEGtine

Howdy Eso,

Well, if this theory IS true, then it looks like you would need a social profession/XP (unless I missed where you had one of those).  Looks like you've had 2 of everything else. 

Please note--This is just a theory, and a circumstantial one at that!  Also consider that I have not even so much as ever looted a holo   I don't know exactly how your specced right now, but in your position I would be willing to give it a try.  ID is supposed to be easy to macro (being a wookiee, I'd have to go into hiding and not show myself while doing that though!)

Anyway, take any advice with a grain of salt and Good luck!  Please do keep us posted! (and if you have any spare holos on know a wookiee on SS that would take it off your hands! )

-Djibutyyl

Hey again Eso,

I checked out the other theory you linked to.  Very interesting as well, though it looks wide open as to what you'd need next.  By my math, you either need an 18 box (leaving either marksman or entertainer) or a 23-box (which covers most of the professions :-/).  So, who knows.  if it's some sort of combo of the 2 theories, then ID or entertainer could be it.  those could also be the most painful to get for you since you haven't had any social professions yet...

Anyways, just what I got out of that other link...

--Djibutyyl

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Onyxz wrote:
I'd like to see a DEv come in here and try to figure these ideas out (i love you devs) =)

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*clap *clap Bohunter

this is the way it is done folks sry but thats it..the only way to open you slot is to master the 5 profession given your char at creation..holos will give you 4

thats it ..all there is to it..you guys are thinkin to much..if you would grind as much as you think about these theories you would have a jedi by now...

Well, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and, by my own analysis, I'm working the Socials... so let's see what happens.

If you re-read the original post, you'll see that there ARE allowances made for people who have unlocked with only certain class-specific profs... very low metrics in the other areas.

But, as I said from the beginning, this whole thing is an hypothesis, not even a theory, but I do find some rather interesting things being tracked in that .ois file, and if it's JUST profs, I wonder why they'd bother to track the stuff I'm seeing...

/shrug

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Prances wrote:

Well, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and, by my own analysis, I'm working the Socials... so let's see what happens.

If you re-read the original post, you'll see that there ARE allowances made for people who have unlocked with only certain class-specific profs... very low metrics in the other areas.

But, as I said from the beginning, this whole thing is an hypothesis, not even a theory, but I do find some rather interesting things being tracked in that .ois file, and if it's JUST profs, I wonder why they'd bother to track the stuff I'm seeing...

/shrug

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