Thunderheart i've read all the posts in this topic and the one question that really stands out is - WILL CRYSTALS AND PEARLS BE AQUIRED IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY ARE NOW?
TH: No, but the design on how they will be dropping is happening as we speak, so I have no hints.
On the Second Slot:
On the slot thing: 1. You do a quest (no skill changing involved at all!) you can unlock force sensitivity AND a new character slot. Skill changing WILL NOT be required.
2. You can choose to Proceed with Force Sensitivity progression by unlocking 24 blocks of associated Force Sensitive skills on your CURRENT character to attain Padawan via the padawan trials. BUT, it is not set is stone. There have been discussions to make the acquisition of the skills to happen during the quests to unlock Force Sensitivity. If we went that way then players could be able to go directly into the Jedi Padawan quests if they wanted to.
3. -OR- you can re-do the force sensitive quests on the new character and then unlock those 24 boxes on that NEW character preserving your primary character. You will have to go through the whole series of quests again if you want to be able to advance as a Jedi with the second character.
Keldarin wrote:
Current Jedi will not be considered either Light or Dark until they complete the Jedi Knight trials and decide which way to go.
Jedi are also not forced into PvP until they have completed the Jedi Knight trials. Before then they have the same PvP options as every other player. They can be Imperial or Rebel, Overt or Covert. Upon completing the Dark Jedi Knight trials they will be required to be Overt Imperial and upon completing the Light Jedi Knight trials they will be required to be Overt Rebel.
Message Edited by ArjunThakur on 05-07-200404:40 PM
Message Edited by ArjunThakur on 05-07-200407:43 PM
please press them hard to NOT keep kinetic damage! NONE of us want this! unique or moderately to low resisted damage with AP3 would be alot more inline
Message Edited by Beast9156 on 05-07-200407:45 PM
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Arjun, do you have any more information? I am desperately trying to figure out what is to like in this "revamp" and why you would be happy about ONE single thing coming at us. THere is NO good here. NONE of our top five issues have been addressed. My 4444 guardian is not even gonna be at Knight level - instead he is gonna be a damn padawan. **edit** are these damn jedi trials? I AM A JEDI KNIGHT. I HAVE @#$%-ing earned it grinding through a borked ass system.
Where is the smiley face?
When are we gonna here something that we like? I have to "break" my lightsaber? The same saber that I have had since i was an initiate? Are you kidding me? They are nerfing sabers and pearls but we are supposed to trust some opaque back end system to properly handle damage? When these people cant even figure out how to explain a deathcount system they coded?
They proudly announce "no more saber decay", but the next sentence they tell us that the crystal and pearls will still decay - are they that damn stupid and ignorant of the game? Cant they smell what they are shoveling?
Where is the good? Light jedi have to be f'ing politicians? ANd our skills will depend on this? Are you kidding me? Yeah, I bet that voting will be f'ing fair. What the hell is this, SURVIVOR?
Please tell me this train wreck wasnt what you were happy about.
Dyvim Storm - Eclipse PrePatch9 4444 Guardian Force Master
I'm really confused as to why you were so excited about these changes.
You posted a smiley and hinted that good things were on the way, but everything listed in the Jedi Archives is extremly dissappointing.
From what I gather...
Crystals and Pearls will still be dropped... and will decay, and no word on damage type...our number one issue still unresolved
Overt Jedi? yeah good luck on that idea... once again the PvP mentality ruins SWG.
Robes instead of armour... hidden def modes on robes? Why hide them? Because they will suck compared to 90% comp that's why.
Players voting on who advances?! This is the worst idea ever implemented in any mmorg EVER. As if player favoritism isn't bad enough in mmorgs now your very character's advancement soley depends on the biased nepotism of others? You must be kidding, this can't be for real it's GOTTA BE A JOKE.
It's as if the devs read all of the suggestions from Philosopher and other's on the Jedi boards, said to themselves "these are great ideas, but we can do better because WE'RE the DEVS!" and then went about the process of trying to come up with new and different ideas just so they would seem original.
I hope the Space Expansion turns out better than this, because now there's nothing else to really look forward to in SWG, unless you find PvP, the most boring and assanine aspect of online gaming, in any way shape or form enjoyable.
1) You misunderstand the conversion from 4444 Guardian to Jedi Knight in the new system. There is no comparison, the skills trees are completely new.
4444 Guardians now have completed 100% of the PvE and xp necessary. In the new system they will also automatically have completed 100% of the PvE necessary. If you are a 4444 Guardian, you'll be able to grant yourself the MAXIMUM number of skill boxes possible in the new system, you will have achieved the highest level possible through XP. Just like it is now.
However.
A NEW TREE is being added, which will require PvP to advance through.
If you are trying to imply that Jedi Guardians in the current system should be fully maxed in the new system then you are missing this key element.
TY for responding, but please respond to what i asked. Where is the good? I am not missing a thing. Here is what I was promised.
Under the new system will we be less than an hour away from Jedi Master. If it is not AP points, then we want to know if it is something similar and the same no risk one hour or so leveling time to accomplish Master.
We consider "Guardian-4-4-4-4 Jedi" to essentially be Master Jedi. They will be considered to have completed their advancement and will be allowed to advance to maximum amount of the Jedi skill boxes.
So what I expect is TO BE A MASTER. I dont care WTH they have added or how many damn skill trees there are. I EXPECT to have COMPLETED MY ADVACNEMENT, because I HAVE. Now woth this CRAP I won't even be a JEDI KNIGHT?????????????????????????????????????????
You have to be OVERT? What Doc is going to buff an OVERT and get tef'd?????? Are they insane? They DIDN'T LISTEN TO A DAMN THING WE ASKED for. As a customer that makes me VERY VERY angry.
And what about our top five issues? AGAIN I ask where is the good? How hard is it to figure out that sabers should be AP3 and NOT DO KINETIC?
Message Edited by KyleKnox on 05-07-200405:27 PM
Dyvim Storm - Eclipse PrePatch9 4444 Guardian Force Master
I'm really confused as to why you were so excited about these changes.
You posted a smiley and hinted that good things were on the way, but everything listed in the Jedi Archives is extremly dissappointing.
From what I gather...
Crystals and Pearls will still be dropped... and will decay, and no word on damage type...our number one issue still unresolved
Overt Jedi? yeah good luck on that idea... once again the PvP mentality ruins SWG.
Robes instead of armour... hidden def modes on robes? Why hide them? Because they will suck compared to 90% comp that's why.
Players voting on who advances?! This is the worst idea ever implemented in any mmorg EVER. As if player favoritism isn't bad enough in mmorgs now your very character's advancement soley depends on the biased nepotism of others? You must be kidding, this can't be for real it's GOTTA BE A JOKE.
It's as if the devs read all of the suggestions from Philosopher and other's on the Jedi boards, said to themselves "these are great ideas, but we can do better because WE'RE the DEVS!" and then went about the process of trying to come up with new and different ideas just so they would seem original.
I hope the Space Expansion turns out better than this, because now there's nothing else to really look forward to in SWG, unless you find PvP, the most boring and assanine aspect of online gaming, in any way shape or form enjoyable.
I'm starting to believe that Jedi Master was never allowed to be trained because it would be A LOT harder to explian how a Jedi Master is now BEGINNING their work in the Jedi Knight trials and needs to go out and get more crystals and pearls because they are not done leveling.
I'm really confused as to why you were so excited about these changes.
You posted a smiley and hinted that good things were on the way, but everything listed in the Jedi Archives is extremly dissappointing.
From what I gather...
Crystals and Pearls will still be dropped... and will decay, and no word on damage type...our number one issue still unresolved
Overt Jedi? yeah good luck on that idea... once again the PvP mentality ruins SWG.
Robes instead of armour... hidden def modes on robes? Why hide them? Because they will suck compared to 90% comp that's why.
Players voting on who advances?! This is the worst idea ever implemented in any mmorg EVER. As if player favoritism isn't bad enough in mmorgs now your very character's advancement soley depends on the biased nepotism of others? You must be kidding, this can't be for real it's GOTTA BE A JOKE.
It's as if the devs read all of the suggestions from Philosopher and other's on the Jedi boards, said to themselves "these are great ideas, but we can do better because WE'RE the DEVS!" and then went about the process of trying to come up with new and different ideas just so they would seem original.
I hope the Space Expansion turns out better than this, because now there's nothing else to really look forward to in SWG, unless you find PvP, the most boring and assanine aspect of online gaming, in any way shape or form enjoyable.
I 100% agree. I would love for Arjun to address these issues too. I am equally frustrated.
TY for responding, but please respond to what i asked. Where is the good? I am not missing a thing. Here is what I was promised.
Under the new system will we be less than an hour away from Jedi Master. If it is not AP points, then we want to know if it is something similar and the same no risk one hour or so leveling time to accomplish Master.
We consider "Guardian-4-4-4-4 Jedi" to essentially be Master Jedi. They will be considered to have completed their advancement and will be allowed to advance to maximum amount of the Jedi skill boxes.
So what I expect is TO BE A MASTER. I dont care WTH they have added or how many damn skill trees there are. I EXPECT to have COMPLETED MY ADVACNEMENT, because I HAVE. Now woth this CRAP I won't even be a JEDI KNIGHT?????????????????????????????????????????
Message Edited by KyleKnox on 05-07-200405:27 PM
You should realize that initial designs are not etched in stone. They are constantly changing and evolving. Try to keep up with it. You have completed advancement in the current system, not so in the new system. So get on with the program. You are one of the few who will be immediately able to traverse up the PvP tree and are still acting like a spoilt child.
Where are you in jedi advancement? What have you earned? I am talking about having something stripped from me that i have earned I AM A JEDI KNIGHT. Stop calling me a child you moron. I am a very unhappy paying customer. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Arjun - where is the good?
Message Edited by KyleKnox on 05-07-200405:51 PM
Dyvim Storm - Eclipse PrePatch9 4444 Guardian Force Master
KyleKnox wrote:
Where are you in jedi advancement? What have you earned? I am talking about having something stripped from me that i have earned I AM A JEDI KNIGHT. Stop calling me a child you moron. I am a very unhappy paying customer. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Arjun - where is the good?
Message Edited by KyleKnox on 05-07-200405:51 PM
You not being stripped of anything... you are simply getting a whole new area to advnace into.
You're gettin' stuck on a "title". A Title....just a title. It's nothing. Your going to wake up among the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy just like you are today....and have a whole new tree to explore.
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To me, the Jedi Revamp looks pretty solid, altough the following things currently still leave a sour taste in my Star Wars-fanboy mouth.
1. Light Jedi having to KILL dark Jedi instead of just incapacitating them to advance in the PVP rank system. Light Jedi shouldn't be forced to kill, unless there is absolutely no alternative, it is not the Jedi way!
2. Dark Jedi still being limited to being imperial whereas light Jedi have to be Rebel. This goes against continuity, as the Empire hunts down all Jedi, no matter if dark or light and there is no reason for light Jedi neccessarily joining the Rebel Alliance. There should be an option for Jedi to be neutral (For example, in the Classic Star Wars Movie Trilogy, Yoda was neither a member of the Rebel Alliance, nor a member of the Empire)
3. I'm not completely clear on this one, but it looks to me that crystals and pearls will still be only obtainable by powergamers with combat templates and/or huge amounts of credits (Unless droprate and availability will inrease dramatically). A quest system to let only Jedi themselves find their crystals or a foraging/crafting system would be much more in-line with Star Wars continuity.
