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eastmaster
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the force is my ally

thats what jedi should be saying

instead they say, armor is my ally, because the force is useless.

i think the mod for saber block should be 2 thing, one, it should always be passive bonus that ramps up significantly ad jedi progresss even thru initiate(think the 5 year olds in EP II were doing it)

the block mod should also sort of act as a jedis "armor" in that it prevents damage etc.

there should also be a skill to modify your block mod for the better like center of being. a focused jedi is a tough opponent even for the most experienced and trained combatants.

01-21-2004 12:02 PM  

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Passive
 
If the Jedi class ever gets to the point where I can defend myself against one BH, I'll be happy to wear my title and robe anywhere I please.

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01-21-2004 12:22 PM  

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random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?


 
All they'd have to do is add a Hood up/Hood down Option to the radial menu of the item, and this would fix all of this concern. Hood up when you wanna look cool, hood down, when you wanna blend in.

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01-21-2004 12:28 PM  

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Saber Reflection.....

Passive or Active skill?

Passive.

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

No.

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

I'd say at initiate, no chance to reflect. And at master not even 100 %, It should be like 99% deflection, 66% reflection.

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

yes.

 

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01-21-2004 12:32 PM  

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Sekz God says,
 

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Is this not thought out properly? Melee would destroy us.


Well if they fix the saber block, then no you'd have melee covered too. I mean the saber is a sword, should be able to block melee attacks too

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01-21-2004 12:40 PM  

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Silent_Hero wrote:

Sekz God says,
 

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

Is this not thought out properly? Melee would destroy us.


Well if they fix the saber block, then no you'd have melee covered too. I mean the saber is a sword, should be able to block melee attacks too


As it is right now
Saber Block is for ranged attack
Lightsaber Toughness is for melee attacks
 
Saber block isn't broken.  You're just applying it wrong.
 
 
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ThePhilosopher wrote:

Yes, I would wear it, although maybe not at all times. One solution to this could be, Make the hood on it adjustable, so that you can pull it down in town to blend in with everyone else wearing a robe. You could put it back up for screenshots, or roleplaying purposes. Besides, this would be 100% optional, and 100% up to the player, whether to wear it or not. At least we should have the option to do so.



Really like this idea.
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I think saber blocking should be passive but activating a skill, the way you activate Center of Being for example, would best simulate the concentration needed to reflect a blaster bolt back at an enemy. By the time you reach Master you should have no trouble reflecting blots. I doubt Qui Gon even missed one if he didn't want to.

And personally, I would rarely wear Jedi robes in this era, although Obi Wan did wear his . . .

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Passive or Active skill?

passive block/active reflect to target

Would it be more fun if it was an active skill you used against a target?

see above

What if passively you only had a chance to DE-flect, but targeted on an enemy you had a chance to reflect?

see above

When should you be able to reflect?  A small chance even at initiate ramping up to 100% at Master?

1%-99% starting at initiate and ending in master

Could this sufficiently do away with the need for armor?

armor is a choice anyone should be able to make regardless of proff...it is the choices we make that define who we are   ( I think light jedi should be able to train in more deffensive skills and dark jedi in more offensive skills )

random question: If you had a Jedi robe, would you really wear it?  Wouldn't that be a bit dangerous?

as a jedi all my clothes would be "jedi clothes"... if i had a robe it would be my " jedi robe"

nobody needs to have a robe with JEDI embroidered on the lapel...at least not during this time period

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Saber reflection should be a passive skill that increases as the Jedi's skill increases. Imo best way to implement it would be that any shot the Jedi blocks has a % of a chance to be reflected back at who or whatever they have targeted. The exception being melee attacks which should be blockable. And I highly doubt it would out weigh the advantages of armor.

As for the robe that all depends on a lot of things. What's it made of and who makes it? Is this going to be another way to line the pockets of the non Jedi out there? Is this something we can wear over armor or is it worn in place of it. What advantages does it offer? If it offered greater or equal protection with some added bonuses then yes. Who If it doesn't then no. As much as I'd like my Jedi to look like how I feel a Jedi should look. A dead Jedi that looks like one doesn't do me a whole lot of good.

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passive saber reflection is good, and the idea of deflecting the blasts on the target you are currently on is very cool. like all other proffesions, the ability to block/deflect should get higher with skills learned.

the armor issue is pretty much a jedi doing what needs to be done for protection. all other profs get def mods, but jedi do not, so obviously we will use whatever we can to keep alive.

if i had a jedi robe i would wear it if i did not need the armor. like others have said the robes could be worn by everyone but if a jedi wears one it would give some bonuses, ie faster force regen, more damage to force powers.


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MarVsCap2Killer wrote:

passive saber reflection is good, and the idea of deflecting the blasts on the target you are currently on is very cool. like all other proffesions, the ability to block/deflect should get higher with skills learned.


what the hell are you talking about?
 
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reflect=back at them
deflect=deter from hitting you
 
Please make sure you understand what is being said before you comment.
01-21-2004 07:45 PM  

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Ohh and in case you didn't understand where I stood
 
Both skills should be passive.
 
Reflection should be an increasing percentage of the deflection skill. 
 
1st the deflection skill comes into play, the chance it's deflected
 
now from a successful deflection there is a percentage chance it is reflected.
 
So say deflect is 50% and reflection is 50%.
 
deflect works only 50% of the time and 50% of that is reflected, so in reality it's only a 25% chance of that occuring.

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01-22-2004 01:19 AM  

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i think they should both be passive, because in the movies (not that this game is in the continuity or anything) the jedi didnt have to work or anything to deflect or reflect blaster bolts.  my problem is that flamethrowers and llc's will be deflected too....which is kinda gay, but i guess they both count as ranged weapons, even though they are special heavy weaps or whatever.  i never understood how you could use overcharge shot on an llc or a flamethrower....then red bolts came out of the llc....kinda stupid, but its a ranged weapon...sorry ill stop ranting....passive!

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both passive

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