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Joker9125
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Whats the fastest way to master CH?
There is no quick and easy way to do it in my opinion CH is probably the second hardest grind in the game next to Jedi.  You recive CH xp based on the difference in the CL of the creature/NPC your fighting and the CL of your pet.  To get CH xp your pet only has to hit the mob once to recive full xp and remember that if you use a pet with too low a CL your xp gain will be reduced but if you use a pet with to high a CL your xp will be reduced as well so each mob has a "sweet spot" of pet CL that will maximize your xp gain.  For instance against blacksuns on endor I was getting around 500 xp with a CL 10 pet but when I used a CL 34 pet I got 1.1k xp per blacksun.  Also using two pets at a time will only divide the xp between the pets and will often times give you less overall XP.
 
 
I have X ammount of skillpoints where should I put them?
CH is not a profession to dabble in so dont expect to see any real increase in "power" till you hit master.  Also you will recive the same max CL bonus no matter which of the 4 branches you decided to get +2 max cl for the first two boxes, +3 max cl for the third, and +5 for the fourth.  So to help answer your question heres a breakdown of the CH skill tree.
 
4/0/0/0
Gives you the ability to tame higher level agressive creatures (the ones that turn red on radar and autoattack you).
 
0/4/0/0
Gives you more pet storage which is always a good thing.
 
0/0/4/0
Gives you several good commands such as Enrage (puts your pets in a berserk state for a short time) and Embolen (gives pets a 15% boost in HAM for a short time) and the ability to train the trick commands which heal your pets mind.
 
0/0/0/4
Gives you the ability to train the group command, train mounts, and have two pets out at the same time provided there combined CL dosent exceed your max CL.
 
 
So if I master CH can I tame a Krayt?  I swear know a guy that has one.  He showed it to me!
Ok first off you need to spit out the worm cause someone is feeding you a line.  What you saw was a BioEngineered Kimogila which are much weaker than the wild kimogilas.  A MCH can only tame creatures up to CL 70 and krayts have a minimum CL of 128 so taming a Krayt is impossible.  So anyone who says they have a pet thats higher than CL 70 is either trying to sell you something or dosent know what hes talking about.
 
 
Can a pet have 100% resist to kinetic, energy, or lightsaber?
The cap for kinetic and energy resists are 60% with the exception of a few rares and no pet can currently have LS resists.  However a pet can have 100% resists to any resist other than those 3.  If you have further questions about what resists are possible on a BioEnginerred pet please take them to the BE fourms and if you want information on wild pets please reffer to swgcreatures.com's advanced search function.
 
 
Which pet is best at X/X/X/X level?
The answer is almost always a BE (BioEngineered) pet.  With the exception of a few rares BE pets will always have much better resists, HAM, specials, and a much lower CL than anything in the wild of comparable power.  Also unlike other combat profession where the type of gun you use can make a huge difference in combat.  The pet skin has little to do with how strong a BE pet can be.  They can make Durni that will pwn a Rancor.
 
 
Ok I get it BioEngineered pets are best, but what pets can I tame at X/X/X/X level?
www.swgcreatures.com has all the information you seek.
 
 
When I try to tame a creature that I know is at or below my max CL it says you can not tame that creature.  Am I bugged?
There is always the SLIGHT possibility that there is something wrong with your character, but more than likely its because the creature is agressive and your taming vicious creatures skill isnt high enough.  Try buying some BE clothes with a +25 taming vicious creature bonus or getting more of the 4/0/0/0 line.
 
 
I got a pet that is above my max CL so I bought some +25 taming clothes which put my taming bonus well above the CL of the creature.  Why caint I tame it?
The clothes only affect your chance of taming the creature.  To tame it your max CL must be at or above its CL without any clothing.
 
 
If I have a MCH tame a pet for me that I caint will I be able to call it when its full grown?
No.  If you cant tame the creature yourself you will not be able to call it once it outgrows you untill you advance far enough in the CH skill tree.
 
 
I have novice CH which grants a +12 to max CL and I have a pet that is at or below CL 22.  Why caint I tame it?
The mod description is a little confusing but as a novice you can only control CL 12 creatures.
 
 
Is there any way to command pets and not spam spatial?
Yes its called the tellpet command.  To use this type /tellpet (petcommand).  For instance if your pet is trained to attack when you say kill you would type /tellpet kill.  There are 3 main advantages to using this instead of just pressing somethign like A.  1 it dosent spam spatial, 2 it has a longer range (150m I think), 3 its faster.  I would reccomend making a macro for your most used pet commands like attack, follow me, and the specials.  To do this press ctrl + A and click the macro tab, now click new macro and give it whatever name and symbol you want.  Now in the macro text type in /tellpet (pettcommand); and ALWAYS remember to put a ; at the end of every command.  Also remember that tellpet will not work with single letter commands so use full words when doing this.
 
 
How do I name pets?
First you have to be able to train 4 different commands.  Now to actually name the pet you have to bring up the radial menu, select a command to train, then say the pets name then the command like "Kitty s" without the " " marks.  Also when using the /tellpet command to name pets the first letter of the name has to be lowercase.  /tellpet Kitty s will not work, but /tellpet kitty s will.
 
 
Is there any way to make money as a CH?
CH is not a money making profession on its own but here are some ways to make some cash.  Grouping with pets to raise your mission levels like a solo group is becomming pretty popular and is fairly effective, with CL70 in pets and a CL 18 droid grouped to me I can pull 20k Jantha missions on dantooine.  You could also train CL10 mounts for people but dont expect a huge payout from this because people generally dont pay more than a few K and some have even gotten offended when I have asked for an ammount like 10k.  Another good way to make cash is to harvest organics for docs.  Depending on your server you can get upwards of 150 CPU for good avian meat.
 
 
How does CH do as a combat class?
CH has the lowest DPS (Damage Per Second) of any combat class in the game.  The highest damage a pet can have under the new BE crafting system is 600ish I belive.  This is max damage, gets no multipliers from specials, and is AP0 kinetic damage.  Pick up novice marksman and you will double your damage output.
 
 
Which profession should I use with CH?
Only you can answer this question.  I personally preffer to use a ranged class such as Rifleman so I can send pets in to tank while I stand back from a safe distance and blast whatever critter/NPC is begging to feel my wrath.  While others like to be in the thick of things fighting with their pets as a TKM, Swordsman, or other meele class.
 
 
Whats the best way to fight with pets?
The best way to fight with pets is to send them in to attack the lair and draw aggro this way while you kill off whatever mob is attacking your pet we call this "tanking".  I would advise against using this tactic when trying to tame a baby because you can not tame a baby while it is in combat and this tactic greatly increases the chances that you or your pet will wind up killing the baby.
 
 
Can I use pets to solo high end content such as Krayts, NS, Acklay, Gorax, or Rancors?
Yes but it takes alot of skill/luck and a power full compliment profession such as Rifleman or Swordsman.  Your best bet for Krayts is two BE CL 35 pets with intimidate, stunning strike, AR1 and 60% kinetic.  Get them doc buffed for regen and primary stats and have alot of stims handy.  For NPCs such as NS your best bet is a 100% Blast/Stun BE pet and hope that the NS elder you just aggroed will pull a Power Hammer or Stun Baton, because if it pulls anything else your pet is as good as dead.
 
 
Ok I get it CH is gimped in combat, but is there any way to make CH viable in PvP?
I personally use pets successfully in PvP.  The key is to use pets to land state effects like dizzy, intimidate, posture down, and stun while you focus on doing damage to your opponent.  Keep in mind that this is only in one on one duels and small scale group encounters where I can focus on one opponent and put all my energies and efforts on him/her.  In large scale PvP your better off leaving the pets at home.
 

Why does my pet disapear sometimes?
This is a known issue,  it is theorised that they warp to 0,0 on the planet you are on but no one has been able to prove it.  Because the occurance of this bug is random it is hard to fix and has existed since the games release.


Why do my pets seem to run away?
They are trying to get to the Optimum strikeing range for their creature type.  When the creature they are fighting moves closer they have to keep moveing to obtain this range.  It gives the appearance of your pet running.


What is a pre-nerf pet?
This is a misnomer.  Some people seem to think that because they tamed pets before the creature rebalance of Dec 2003 that the pets will have the stats from prior to this.  This is false, all pets were balanced so no legacy pets would exist


What is a CL 0(1) pet?
These are pets that are the result of a bug durring the first part of the revamp of the Bio-engineer profession.  They were able to create pets with a CL of 1.  They exist in various forms and HAMs.  It is debatable whether they are an exploit or not and may be removed from game eventually.

Message Edited by Joker9125 on 03-03-2005 05:03 PM

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Very informative thread, Joker.  A great asset to folks in search of information.

-Vertexon.

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Joker you should add known bugs to the thread.


Tellpet only works with commands longer than 3 letters in length


Why does my pet disapear sometimes?
This is a known issue,  it is theorised that they warp to 0,0 on the planet you are on but no one has been able to prove it.  Because the occurance of this bug is random it is hard to fix and has existed since the games release.


Why do my pets seem to run away?
They are trying to get to the Optimum strikeing range for their creature type.  When the creature they are fighting moves closer they have to keep moveing to obtain this range.  It gives the appearance of your pet running.


What is a pre-nerf pet?
This is a misnomer.  Some people seem to think that because they tamed pets before the creature rebalance of Dec 2003 that the pets will have the stats from prior to this.  This is false, all pets were balanced so no legacy pets would exist


What is a CL 0(1) pet?
These are pets that are the result of a bug durring the first part of the revamp of the Bio-engineer profession.  They were able to create pets with a CL of 1.  They exist in various forms and HAMs.  It is debatable whether they are an exploit or not and may be removed from game eventually.


 

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So There Are No Such Thing As Pre-Nurf Pets? Someone Told Me Not To Use Some Of My Pets Cause I Would Get Baned!!!... And If You Know Of Any 100% Res Pets Let Me Know I'm On Bloodfin All The Time.
 
Also I Need Someone To Look At A Pet I Have. Its Control Device Is The Same Thing As A StormTroopers, But Its A Mutan Baz Nitch.... Whats Up With That?!?!?!

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Nice Joker, kinda liked the old name though for this hehe
 
congrats on the sticky
 
and I recommend this to all ch new and old for information.
 
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Charlie330 wrote:
So There Are No Such Thing As Pre-Nurf Pets? Someone Told Me Not To Use Some Of My Pets Cause I Would Get Baned!!!... And If You Know Of Any 100% Res Pets Let Me Know I'm On Bloodfin All The Time.
 
Also I Need Someone To Look At A Pet I Have. Its Control Device Is The Same Thing As A StormTroopers, But Its A Mutan Baz Nitch.... Whats Up With That?!?!?!



It seems to depend on the CSR you run into if your CL 1 uberpets get taken away or not.  I recently spotted three of these abominations on Ahazi, and was told flat out by a CSR that they were NOT exploit pets, contrary to everything I've heard before about them, and all common sense, for that matter.

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umm vert and loker this is informative but as pre nerf pet they do exist such as those withfrenzied grauls as you know vert noones tamed one since the ch nerf. and i have a normal rancor that has previous stats and is better than the ones you can tame now withthe exeption of a bull rancor but these pre nerf pet are rare to come by and most of us old time mch's wont give them up easly.

pets can save your life when needed. supoort your master critter handlers i'm also rare pet collector

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hobieone wrote:
umm vert and loker this is informative but as pre nerf pet they do exist such as those withfrenzied grauls as you know vert noones tamed one since the ch nerf. and i have a normal rancor that has previous stats and is better than the ones you can tame now withthe exeption of a bull rancor but these pre nerf pet are rare to come by and most of us old time mch's wont give them up easly.


With regard to "extincts" like the frenzied graul, I believe Joker is referring to when all wild animals (including current extincts) had their stats adjusted as part of what is sometimes referred to as the creature rebalance ("nerf") of over a year ago.  In this case "pre-nerf" would mean having unchanged stats, not unchanged availability.

With regard to really old BE deeds from before the BE revamp, I think some of those are generally considered by the community to be of questionable legitimacy in terms of stats per CL.

-Vertexon.

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what he said

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Joker9125 wrote:
0/0/4/0
Gives you several good commands such as Enrage (puts your pets in a berserk state for a short time) and Embolen (gives pets a 15% boost in HAM for a short time) and the ability to train the group command.






actually you only get the trick commands to teach your pets for the mindhealing, the group command is in the management-branch.
i wouldn't really call enrage a "good command" as it hardly increases the damage, pretty ridiculous for a 4th tier skill-command if you ask me.

a lot of information about ch packed into one post, prolly a nice thing for beginners, good job.

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Tristello wrote:


Joker9125 wrote:
0/0/4/0
Gives you several good commands such as Enrage (puts your pets in a berserk state for a short time) and Embolen (gives pets a 15% boost in HAM for a short time) and the ability to train the group command.






actually you only get the trick commands to teach your pets for the mindhealing, the group command is in the management-branch.
i wouldn't really call enrage a "good command" as it hardly increases the damage, pretty ridiculous for a 4th tier skill-command if you ask me.

a lot of information about ch packed into one post, prolly a nice thing for beginners, good job.


Thanks for catching that.  I need to edit it

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my two cents after dabbling in CH
 
I use /tellpet (petname) (command less than 3 letters) ie; "/tellpet kitty a" and it works for me(and my attack command is just "a" not "kitty a") , problem is i need a macro per pet, but maybe it coudl prove useful when being able to call 2 pets at the same time.
 
also using a level 9 BEd pet i can get more xp in less time when killing low level critters near cities,   that could be useful if you are not a combat prof (BE-Ranger),  70-90 CH xp per kill  and you can oneshot many of those creatures, killing bigger mobs does give more xp per kill but unless you are a  combat proffesion it will take too long.(remember if you kill creatures of half the level of your creature or less you only get 1 CH xp)
 
/forage is a must to heal pet wounds if you are not a medic.
 
anyone else agrees?
 
 
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On the subject of "pre nerf" pets:
 
There was a time when the devs nerfed pets in the wild, but the pets on the datapad retained their stats.  So you could speak of natural tames as "pre nerf" pets, because they retained the old set of stats, and creatures tamed after the nerf had the new set of stats.
 
The Great Nerf changed all that.  All critters, be they living somwhere on Endor or on a datapad of a CH browsing the bazaar in Coronet got nerfed.   Every last one of them.  New stats were imposed.  "Extinct" pets on datapads had their stats changed to match those of their now untamable counterparts in the wild.
 
This move is certainly understandable from a database point of view..simplying what has to be tracked.

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