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pnjpenguin
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First off allow me to introduce myself. My name is Ovin Lightheart of the Valcyn galaxy. I have been a pistoleer throughout my entire Star Wars Galaxies experience which has been since July. As an avid PvPer I have learned a lot about how to fight in small and large scale encounters. I have tried out many different combinations to compliment pistoleer, everything in this guide has been tested thoroughly by me.

At this point in time pistoleer definitely isn’t a powerful class, but with the right equipment, some good planning, and knowledge of the profession we can easily rival any other combat profession. If you want to be a successful PvPer as a pistoleer you will have to spend good amounts of money.


Templates

Master Pistoleer/Master TKA/Master Smuggler
This is one of my favorite templates as a pistoleer, it has it all. With this template you’ll have killer defense and some great offense. With this template it will be very hard for someone to use a KD on you successfully, so don’t be afraid to stand up to another TKA who thinks they can use KD2 on you. Smuggler will give you access to the best pistol specials out there. The combination of Low Blow and Last Ditch is great against any opponent. Some added perks of this template you get a very well rounded character that can easily participate in RPing as well as PvP and PvE and Triple Threat sounds really cool. Alternatively you can drop The Spice and Slicing trees in smuggler and go for novice medic which can be a lifesaver.

Master Pistoleer/Fencing Stances/Novice Commando/Novice Medic/Dirty Fighting
A pure pistol template. With this not only will you get the added speed and accuracy mods from master marksman, but you will also get the Launcher Pistol. The launcher pistol can be incredibly useful during PvP, not against actual PC’s, but against turrets and AT-STs. These two have no defense against blast damage making them very vulnerable to a master pistoleer with a Launcher Pistol spamming Last Ditch. Commando can also help you out during base destructions since it is needed to destroy a base. Dabbling in Fencer gives you a better chance of an enemy missing you since it will give you a large number of ranged and melee defense.

Master Pistoleer/BH Pistol
One of the best PvP templates in my opinion. This will give you the ability to target mind, burn and hit the speed cap. This template can be extraordinarily helpful against defense stackers since you get a great amount of accuracy to the point where you hardly miss anyone, except maybe a fencer with COB. Right now targeting mind is a big deal, and with this template you’ll be able to eyeshot people to oblivion. The two variations of this template are either doing Desperado and getting investigation 3 or getting Pistol 3 and novice medic. With investigation 3 you’ll be able to hunt jedi on the other hand with novice medic you’ll be able to heal you and your buddies. I wouldn't worry about the defense with this template either. Obviously it is low, but you have a high damage output, and your dodge from pistoleer will pick up the slack of not having a high ranged defense. Don't underestimate the value in terrain negotiation either, it is a valuable skill that can help you catch target who like to run away.

Other Template Strategies
Many people prefer having novice brawler over medic. Personally I use novice medic as it makes me nearly invulnerable to being incapped through the Health or Action pools. Brawler could come in very though, intimidate decreases the defense of a target and it makes them do only half the damage. Both will serve you well, but the choice is up to you. Getting some terrain negotiation from scout is also a good way to go, it is helpful if you need to kite a melee target and to catch running opponents.


Weapons


Geonosian Sonic Blaster
This gun is currently the King of the pistoleer’s PvP arsenal. It does stun damage so it’ll cut through most composite like butter. A krayt version of this weapon is obviously preferred , but these are very decent even without the tissue. I know many pistoleers limit themselves to only this weapon while PvPing. Bad idea, these can be easily defended against by PSG’s and stun layered armor

Modified Republic Blaster
My favorite weapon to use against melee weapons. These have a high range between minimum and maximum damage, but their mitigation won’t protect them against that. Krayted versions of these weapons can get up to 500 max damage with a powerup, and I’m sure they can go beyond.

DX2 or Scatter Pistol
If you’re a pistoleer use a DX2, if you’re a bounty hunter use a scatter. These have a good minimum damage which makes them good to use against ranged targets if you’re sonic blaster fails you.

DE-10
I don’t recommend this pistol to everyone. If you can afford attachments or are a BH/Pistoleer hybrid this can be your best friend. It’s not worth it to not krayt this weapon, if you can find the components for it get it krayted. Hitting the speed cap on a damage sliced gun is great. These can get to over 600 damage so one last ditch can easily kill an unbuffed opponent in one shot.


Other Equipment

Armor
I personally prefer armor with a high base and around 4% stun resist. This can block out other pistoleers and fencers with stun batons. This armor has some good HAM costs for what you’re getting as for resists, and it can usually be sliced up to 90%. Some people prefer to use armor with a higher stun resistance, but I feel that the HAM cost doesn’t justify the resists. I’m sorry to say that we’re still going to pretty defenseless against a rifleman carrying a Jawa Ion Rifle.

PSGs
There’s no doubt that the Imperial Personal Shield Generator is the best you can get. Stun resistance on them can be sliced over 50%. Plus they have better durability than any other PSG. Don’t rely on these for armor though, their durability is still very low and they do not always work.

Vasarian Brandy
I’m sure everyone has this by now, but I thought I’d add it anyway. You’re going to want the BE’d version of this as it can give you around 400 to all mind stats, and you can take it twice. Take two of these things and you’ll have an instant mind buff.

Vagnerian Canape
This is only useful if you don’t have a musician buff as every special will get to a pretty low mind cost with that combined with brandy. If you can’t get a mind buff you’ll need this stuff or else specials cost may get out of hand. These should give you at least 700 to your mind stats. I recommend only taking one at a time to keep your stomach free for the next dose.

Vercupti (Double-Buff)
If you don’t need any Canape this is the stuff to take. You can pop two of these at a time and get plus 2000 to all your primary stats. Once you eat some of this and get fully buffed you’ll be a walking tank and incredibly hard to take down.

Muon Gold
This is to be used only in emergency. In case you get into trouble with your mind pop one of these and your mind pool will be replenished. Be careful of the downer though..

Attachments
These are only for the very rich. You’ll want pistol speed and accuracy attachments, and maybe even some dodge. With these you may be able to hit the cap with a DE-10 which can be VERY dangerous.

Synthsteak
Personally I don't like this food item, but many people do. I would only use this if vercupti is not available as this fills up a large portion of your stomach capacity. With this food a percentage of damage will be reduced when being attacked. This could be useful if you get KDed.


Air Cake
I would reccomend this to a BH/Pistoleer hybrid who has relativly low defense. This food has low filling and makes your dodge modifier more effective.


General PvP Strategies

Run!- Don’t just stand still and shoot, we have the best accuracy while moving modifier, use it to your advantage!

DOT Weapons- Make sure you have at least one of these, spamming fanshot into a large group of enemies can be lethal for them. If you can get ahold of a mind poison or better yet, fire sonic blaster you’ll be toasting large waves of enemies in no time. If not get a modified republic blaster, don’t underestimate the bleed on these bad boys.

Know your specials- If you have Last Ditch, forget about Stopping Shot! Start off any encounter with a low blow to your opponent if you have it, it can give you the extra jump start you need to survive. If you’re a BH, don’t let people tell you Eyeshot is cheap! Eyeshot is one of the best PvP moves a pistoleer can obtain. Many people are armored and buffed so well they are nearly invulnerable to Health and Action. This is where you can use eyeshot to put your enemy down.

Don't stray far from your group- In large scale PvP encounters I wouldn't reccomend straying too far from your group. Walking around alone will make you an easy target and people will focus their fire on the straggler. If you stay close to your group though even if you get poisoned by a combat medic a doctor will be there to heal you.



Well that’s the guide, I hope you enjoyed it and it works well for you. I may add more to it later on as I discover new things. Don’t let people get away with making fun of pistoleer guys! Let’s get out there and show em all who’s the best!

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this helped me out alot. but you didnt enclude synthesteak, and if that is usefull. i pretty much do this stratigy. i am a BH/pistoleer and eyeshot can really hurt most people. infact i dont see how you can beat anyone without it. i have beat people that ignore there mind pretty fast. i enjoy pistoleer and am going to master it. when BH is fixed im going all the way for that. thanks for this guid it helped me out

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Eye shots over rated.  Last ditch, low blow are pretty good specials, pistoleer specials lack except for fanshot which is decent.  Last ditch for the win though. 

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Oh my god I can't tell you how helpfull this was!  Thanks Bro!  And you're on Valcyn?!?  Would you consider an apprentice... hehe
 
Here's the info I have on color codes. 
 
\#ffff00\hello\#ffffff\  (This color was done with the following code)
 
/#ffff00/hello/#ffffff/   (Accept replace the forward slashes with back slashes)
 
Also here's a link to all the color codes. 
 
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/color_codes/
 
I believe they are the standard HTML color codes.  BTW this also works in game for email, structure signs, etc..  I just haven't been sucessful with it in the bazaar.
 
Hope this helps.  Thanks Again.
 
\#ffff00\Decio of Valcyn\#ffffff\

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Oh my god I can't tell you how helpfull this was!  Thanks Bro!  And you're on Valcyn?!?  Would you consider an apprentice... hehe
 
Here's the info I have on color codes. 
 
\#ffff00\hello\#ffffff\  (This color was done with the following code)
 
/#ffff00/hello/#ffffff/   (Accept replace the forward slashes with back slashes)
 
Also here's a link to all the color codes. 
 
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/color_codes/
 
I believe they are the standard HTML color codes.  BTW this also works in game for email, structure signs, etc..  I just haven't been sucessful with it in the bazaar.
 
Hope this helps.  Thanks Again.
 
\#ffff00\Decio of Valcyn

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Well that didn't friggin work!!!! hehehe I've got to go to work. I'll try to get it figured out when I return. hehe \#ffff00\test\#ffffff\ I know it works in game

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Yay, working on last box of pistoleer again. (I hate PvE and combat xp is just abore to get ) I've pretty much done all the stuff I want to do with my TKM. Working on my collection of pistols at the minute and I have some nice ones but I still need fire or diesease DOT (I'm a little upset at the money I've paid for them when DOTs will be nerfed in the up coming months but not the fact that they are getting nerfed). Check out my triple threat guide in my sig and feel free to steal anything from it you might think is useful. I'm afriad I favour TKM over pistoleer but some of the information is relavent. Valcyn Rules!

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pnjpenguin wrote:


Templates


Master Pistoleer/BH Pistol
One of the best PvP templates in my opinion. This will give you the ability to target mind, burn and hit the speed cap. This template can be extraordinarily helpful against defense stackers since you get a great amount of accuracy to the point where you hardly miss anyone, except maybe a fencer with COB. Right now targeting mind is a big deal, and with this template you’ll be able to eyeshot people to oblivion. The two variations of this template are either doing Desperado and getting investigation 3 or getting Pistol 3 and novice medic. With investigation 3 you’ll be able to hunt jedi on the other hand with novice medic you’ll be able to heal you and your buddies.


Weapons


Geonosian Sonic Blaster
This gun is currently the King of the pistoleer’s PvP arsenal. It does stun damage so it’ll cut through most composite like butter. A krayt version of this weapon is obviously preferred , but these are very decent even without the tissue. I know many pistoleers limit themselves to only this weapon while PvPing. Bad idea, these can be easily defended against by PSG’s and stun layered armor

DX2/Scatter Pistol
If you’re a pistoleer use a DX2, if you’re a bounty hunter use a scatter. These have a good minimum damage which makes them good to use against ranged targets if you’re sonic blaster fails you.


Pretty nice and positive analysis.   However, the expection needs to be set properly.  BH pistols simply wastes too many skill points and lacks too many defenses.  You will last much longer on the other 2 templates in pvp.  BH pistols is effective at dealing damage only in a larger group with any decent pvpers.  This is because you will wind up on your back most of the time with posture change dizzies or kd dizzy.  Thak only works with kd dizzy.   You wind up with a whopping 22 ranged defense and 40 something melee.  I was very dissapointed with BH pistols. 

Also, My suggestion is to not waste the money on a geo pistol unless it has a good dot.  On Bria it seems pvpers have matured some because everyone seems to have stun shields and stun armor.  The best damage dealer seems to be my dx2.  Even my 440 scatter barely scratched ham.  It did however wreck armor, which was cool.

Also, I am almost of the opinion that hiting health and action are becoming more and more important.  Everyone has focused on the mind so much that now it is hard to scratch on good pvpers.  I say last ditch them at the speed cap and annoy them with hs2.  Let the riflemen in your group hit the mind.  That way you have a balanced attack that Zabrak equilibrium cannot help as much.  Also, I wouldn't worry about novice medic.  If they wasted the skill points on that then that means they are lacking in firepower or defenses.  I would never trade intimidate for novice medic.

 

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Updated with a few more strategies and color! I addressed everyones comments in the updated guide

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great guide.. thank you!
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Hell I may go back to mpistol again if its that good.  I was doing mtk and mrifle but im not sure now.
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you forgot air cake (10% filling, a MUST for any pistoleer pvper) and ahrisa
 
canape is good but eventually it'll fill up your stomach..... for long-time pvping, grab some ahrisa; the buff's not as high, but it lasts a lot longer
 
also vercupti has a filling of 66% (about)..... unless it's enhanced to lower filling (which is very hard to make since it requires domestic meat, wild meat, and berries for the additive), it's only useful as a quick buff to save you in emergency since it only lasts about 10 minutes
 
and synthsteak is a MUST...... enhanced you can get around 40% lowered damage for 40 attacks, only 20% filling
 
citrus snow cake (i think ti's called) raises your accuracy.... i haven't tried it yet but i don't have much trouble hitting in pvp /shrug


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edited again, I guess I missed some thing haha.

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My template is sort of like the second one that you listed, Master Pistoleer/Dirty Fighting/Novice Commando/TK 0004/Fencer 4/0/1/0. This caps me in all Ranged Deffence/Melee Deffence/Dodge, and with air cake you end up with over 150 dodge in fights... Novice medic is pointless imo, if anything will kill you it's through mind damage and novice medic wouldn't help you there...

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