sirsamson
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Well here it is. I see alot of post asking questions about this so I am posting it. I am on the flurry server if you have any doubts I collect premiums for rebel jedi's.
The template I have is as follows
MSTR Swordsman/Brawler/Fencer and medic 2300
First you will need a full set of buffs including all the mind buffs
You can take brandee or anyother food you want though it isn't necessary
What you need is good all around 70 to 80% comp armor (Full Suit)
Meds of course b stims work just fine
A damage sliced power hammer (600 plus) to make it go faster
The Nightsister Stronghold is probly the best area to find them. Leave the Science outpost and head toward the ns stronghold. about 2200 out you are going to be in a valley. Stay in this valley and continue heading toward the ns stronghold. You will come accross one in this valley usually.
Pulling the elder.
This is pretty easy you just have to be carefull. If the elder is on the outside of the group just run around the group till you get on the side with the elder. Move close slowly taking a few steps each time. When the ? pops up over the elders head take a few steps closer and wait. It will usually agro on you and start moving back away from the group. This is called a "tactical retreat". While moving back away from the spawn group keep tossing intimidate on the elder. Try and get the elder a good ways away from any ns. Around other animals is okay except ns rancors. Any other animal will attack the elder as long as you don't do area attacks.
Once you have the elder by itself do a few mind hit 2's on the elder. this will put about a 500 dam mind bleed on it. Then you can start doing head hit 3. Be sure to keep the intimidate on the elder at all times. Also depending on the weapon the elder weilds is the main factor to how much dam it will do to you. A power hammer, any polearm, and a stun baton will do the most damage to you. The other weapons will do around 30-80 dam depending on your armor usually. Keep a mind bleed on the elder and intimidate and just sit back and enjoy your time. This is where the medic part comes in to play. A usual bout with and elder will have you sustain bleeding around 2 to 5 times. You must get rid of these as fast as possible. If the elder stacks a bleed on you, well just hope you cloned. It will usually take about 4 or 5 firstaids at at low lvl medic to heal the bleed. At 2300 I can do about 3 head hits inbetween each first aid. Heal yourself as needed. You want to have meds that have a high heal. You can try and knock her down then warcry but it usually works about 1 in 10 times. After fighting for a while her stats will start lowering. This is usually a little ways after halfway. 370k ham it will start lowering around 120k.
When any of her ham (mind) gets to around 40 to 30k she will take off walking then do the ns teleport. Easy way to stop it is when she turns clear your attack menu and taunt her she will stop in her tracks and she won't run anymore. Make sure you are between her and the ns. She will walk away from you. So if you are facing a group of ns with her between you and them, she will run toward them
u elder other ns
O O O O O
I > I I I I she will walk toward them
elder u other ns
O O O O O
I > I I I I she will walk the other way
After that it is all gravy. Just don't rush anything and make sure when you pull the elder out exam her while running back. This way you know what weapon is going to be beating you sinceless.
I hope this helps everyone out. Good Luck
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i solo'd an elder last night and i did not need mind buffs, all you need is canape on hand, i used 2 of them through the entire fight. keep in mind i'm a human, so my mind pool is 1100 with 950 in either mind substat.
if you get into a serious KD+dizzy cycle, it could be curtains because she dizzies very frequently. getting in a dizzy cycle while you are bleeding is also very bad, make sure your stims can heal about 1000 at 0 BF because you'll get about 300 BF fighting her.
the elder i solo'd was using a normal lance
of course all i got was a crappy lance
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sirsamson
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lol you don't need doc. you can use food if you want but a mind buff is better plus it gives you room for oh crap occasions. trust me a little bit of medic works just fine. i solo about 4 to 5 elders a buff set. i usually stop cause of bf getting to high. all honesty master swordsman and 2300 in medic is all you need
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TheBane
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Was curious if you think a
4004CM/Master Swordsman/ with 18 points left to spend somewhere (probably 3 in FS, 6 in novice doctor), which leaves 2 trees for doctor, could do this?
You could easily pull in elders with single poison. (pretty damn sure) You could easily stack poisons/mind bleeds. (maximizing the speed of stomping her) You can /stand;/clearstate. You can do one hell of a /firstaid. You heal for massive ammounts.
It seems pretty damn good to me. What do you think?
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sirsamson
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ya you could solo elders. just remember usually by the 3rd or 4th one your bf will be hampering your meds
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JRyall
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Even with a pvp type build they are
soloable..
I only have medic 0040 And the bleeds
are more of an inconvience then anything
Warcry is your friend
Plus I have only been kd'd by an elder once
and got up imediately from it.
Master Sword
Master Brawler
TK 4204
Fencer 4400
Medic 0040
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That being said, I have never been hit with
a mind bleed from an Elder, but I imagine
that would require a tactical retreat.
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sirsamson
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for everyone to read some more
Boil em Cut em Stick em in a Stew ....I am not talking about POTATOES either DeepFried Potatoe MSTR SWORDS 3000 BH AND 0044 PISTOLS.... SPEED CAPPED BH WITH A 1000 DAM NOGGIN NOCKER .... BETTER DUCK
Soloed one easily yesterday (took a long, long time though).. just had brandy for mind buffs 2400-2500 doc buffs, master swordsman/master brawler, pistol defences, feign death, some medic, 80% kinetic composite... Only had to heal myself a couple of times, and the NS barely put any states on me. Not speed capped so you can imagine how long it took. That particular elder was holding some sort of lance,Later though, I saw another, thought I'd go again, but this time the NS pulled a powerhammer out, and it was just creaming me, no chance my mind would have lasted with all that healing... I had to feign death, and then ran off as it came back with some friends.
Soloed one easily yesterday (took a long, long time though).. just had brandy for mind buffs 2400-2500 doc buffs, master swordsman/master brawler, pistol defences, feign death, some medic, 80% kinetic composite... Only had to heal myself a couple of times, and the NS barely put any states on me. Not speed capped so you can imagine how long it took. That particular elder was holding some sort of lance,Later though, I saw another, thought I'd go again, but this time the NS pulled a powerhammer out, and it was just creaming me, no chance my mind would have lasted with all that healing... I had to feign death, and then ran off as it came back with some friends.
For you non-smuggler types there is also the /warcry /peace /burstrun strategy to escape a losing battle. The trick is to recognize failure early, and make your escape as soon as you can. If your buffs are off, or you popped some muon 5 mins ago and forgot about it, just /waypoint, get the heck out of there ASAP and don't waste any more time & armor condition than you need to.
*note headhit 3 puts a minor bleed on sometimes, and that will break the warcy when it ticks. This is important to know because warcry2 is your time best friend if things start going awry.
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Galjoss
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Someone else allready said it, but warcry is you freind, I dont find the bleeds a problem and I only have novice medic KD/Dizzy is a bugger, but I am also 4004 TKA and just switch to a VK while I'm on the floor to minimise the damage, I dont see the point in getting more medic as even with all stats maxed on mind and full mind buffs it is only ever my mind that causes me any worry as it cant be healed, at least by using the extra points on defences I can minimize the impact on my mind. As a side note, I never use bleeds any more, it breaks warcry to often and get me attacked when I need to recover a little HAM
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If you're a melee stacker (or an aspiring one, like me Too lazy to grind), and you have the pistol defenses line, I'd recommend going prone at 60ish meters and putting a bleed on her then immediately peacing. Once the bleed ticks, she will run right to you without the agro of others in her group.
I used to do this with Rifleman, and it worked like a charm everytime. My fencer buddy would tank and I'd kneel a little bit away and headshot her, while my swordsman friend went and slowly worked the other spawns.
Its good to work in teams
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if you get into a serious KD+dizzy cycle, it could be curtains because she dizzies very frequently. getting in a dizzy cycle while you are bleeding is also very bad, make sure your stims can heal about 1000 at 0 BF because you'll get about 300 BF fighting her.
no you dont need doctor...
Master Swordsman, Master Bralwer (for time being as i need the +5 speed, need 1more attachment), TKA 0300, Pistoleer 0040, Medic 4040
you get something like +100 to both KD and Dizzy. along with +70 or so posture down. you dont get kd'd often...and if you do you got Combat Equilibrium from the TKA. once i can drop master brawler i can stack this even more with the few points i can free up.
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Eraint
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The only problem I have had with elders is when they pull a stun baton on you. I was down so fast I didn't know what hit me. After that if they pull the baton, I run away.
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sirsamson
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letting the people read some more
Boil em Cut em Stick em in a Stew ....I am not talking about POTATOES either DeepFried Potatoe MSTR SWORDS 3000 BH AND 0044 PISTOLS.... SPEED CAPPED BH WITH A 1000 DAM NOGGIN NOCKER .... BETTER DUCK
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I am master 2 hand speed capped
and I am a master Doctor
I have killed over 100 elders maybe 200
Some one mentioned a /stand;/clearstate macro or command BAH that does not work all slowly click stand and then /healstate dizzy
As far as pulling elders its very very easy to do if you have a bleed shot. Another thing if you have no bleed shot is to just get within 39m of them. Thats it but only get within 39m of the elder. Then just do little circles like hit the arrow keys so you spin around a little and she will agro you. Start running away and slap an intim on her. Remember the thing the main poster mentioned about the way you face. That is the way she will run at 30K hams. You need to taunt asap. You dont want her to run into the spawn be cause if the other Night sisters agro you that takes aways from the amount of elders that spawn from that area. Yes they respawn if you find the usuallly 1 elder 2 protectors 2 spell weavers and 1 sentinal or initiate. You can get 8-12 elders to spawn from that area. All you need to do is wait and not kill any other NS but elders. After you kill the elder another will respawn in about 5-7 minutes.
I have master Doc so the healstate skill helps. along with the high heals But I know it is not a nessecity just helpful
Another Thing I have noticed that helps me is top key map useful commands. For instance My clear combat queue is kepmapped to my cntl on the left. My intimidate macro is mapped to my tab button. My healstate is keymaped to the Numpad + key. I find it alot easier to use keymaps opposed to click the Hotkeys. For one I can do it very very fast. Also some other keymaps I have are taunt, healdamage,mount and burst run.
ok i just changed servers and i am starting over with my template will master swords/tkm and fencer and pistoleer defence stats be a good enough template to take NS? any help or template advice is appreciated
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er .. teamwork? would that be like ... non-solo groups?
Hehe...Thats nice sometimes, but on the last elder i killed...i was with 4 people..me (swordsman/tk/medic) a doc / swords, rifle/doc and a fencer/swords...they all got slaughtered so i had to kill the elder, 3 protectors, 4 spellweavers, and elder alone >_> and let me tell you that bleed for 1.3k hurt cuz i don't have first aid..*sigh*..I finally killed her and got 638 credits
grrr lol
so..anyway what i'm trying to say, is groups can make it more complicated sometimes...
Oh and great guide only 1 thing to add....RUN LIKE HELL IF SHE PULLS A BATON AND YOU DON'T HAVE STUN LAYER ARMOR AND A PSG!
Definitely do-able with master doc/master swords. took 1 on tonight with a mindbuff and 2400 buffs. got the sucker down to 20k mind before she managed to mind kill me
was pwning her ass up to then though, just use intimidate 1 (i have it modded to +20 which will only cost u about 20k to do) then mind hit her a few times, heal damage with 1000healing stims then mind hit again, then heal/intimidate as neccessary. took me about 10-15mins to get her down to 20k mind but she managed to mind incap me as i had no mind healing food/drink left to take - how i wished i had a muon on me
and as others have said it is vital that you taunt the elder when she starts to run, cause she has a nasty habit of finding protector/spellweaver spawns
i guess my point is you don't need to be a defense stacker to do elders, so its good news for all you master doc/swordsmen out there
ooh, and i forgot to mention as a doc you have to heal your states, especially dizzy, if the elder dizzy/kd's you its pretty much game over (unless you get lucky)
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Too lazy to grind), and you have the pistol defenses line, I'd recommend going prone at 60ish meters and putting a bleed on her then immediately peacing. Once the bleed ticks, she will run right to you without the agro of others in her group.
