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TechnoCan
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Greetings fellow ID,
 
here is the Top 5 (or rather Top 14) I compiled from your input and suggestions. I wanted to see them before I send them to the powers that be


 
Image Designer – Top 5 & Wishlist Oct 2004
 
1.      Timer issues & XP progression
Although the ID community knows that there are plans to substantially lower the ID timers, they see it as their top issue until implemented. So please see this point as both, a reminder and emphasis of how important this issue is to the ID community.
 
The Timers have been reduced to 1 Minute for cosmetics, 2 Minutes for Bodyshaping and 4 Minutes for Statmigrations. Thanks Devs
 
2.      Alternatives for the Public ID Salons
Shortly after the minipublish, Runesabre told the ID community that he had "future plans of allowing the Image Designer tent to be placeable in player cities."  Now more than ever the wish for an alternative to the Public ID Salons is very strong in the community.
 
"I do have future plans of allowing the Image Designer tent be placeable in player cities but I do not have a timeframe for when to expect that feature."
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=image_designer&message.id=17012&highlight=#M17012
 
3.      Bug Fixes
The most important bugs seem to be these:
·         Clothing & armor changes of the client prior to the ID session often don’t show in the ID interface.
·         Hairstyle changes on yourself sometimes don’t show, when doing another ID session on yourself
The ID community will compile a more complete list of bugs soon.
 
 
4.      User Interface issues
·         Numbers on sliders/palettes
·         Color swatches too small
·         Names on hairstyles, hornstyles, lekku-styles
·         UI too big given that it is up all the time
·         No way to cancel the session when the customer goes LD after commiting the changes on the ID-side
·         A confirm-window when canceling the session (both sides)
·         A way for the client to see which cosmetic/body changes have been made (see thread about it here)
 
5.      New art content
·         New hairstyles
·         Wookiee fur styles
·         The ability to choose horns and hair for Zabrak seperately
·         Tattoos, Scars, piercings & earrings
·         Hip/rump sliders
·         Particle effects as originally planned (hair accessories, glitter, streaks, …)
·         Dual-colored hair (streaks, tips, highlights)
·         3D facial hair for males
·         Markings/Patterns for speacies like Mon Cals, Twi’lek, Zabrak, Ithorians & Sullustans)
·         New makeup choices (Blush, eyeliner, dramatic eyeshadow patterns, natural lip colors for males, …)
·         Ability to create logos for Armor, Vehicles, Spaceships, Clothing
 
6.      Ability to ID Merchant Vendors and Pets
 
7.      Self Stat Migration for Master ID
 
8.      Small craftables
·         Lipsticks
·         Disguise kits
 
9.      Something to Self-ID as a Wookiee or Mon Cal Novice Entertainer
Currently Mon Cal and Wookiee Entertainers that want to rise to ID are challenged with the fact, that they cannot ID anything on themselves. Currently members of these species have to rely on the help of others until they gain the ability to change their own eyecolor upon reaching ‘Image Design 2’. This causes many players to feel discouraged from even giving our nice profession a try.
 
10.  Some GCW-functionality
·         Disguise kits to either lower negative faction, reduce probability of being scanned by a stormie-squad, or reduce visibility in a limited way
·         Factional logos/Tattoos
 
11.  ID Missions/Quest
A nice idea to get the IDs out of their tents, would be to add some kind of mission or even a quest involving id-work. The ID community will gather ideas on this topic.
 
12.  Advertisement
·         The ability to register occupied Salons on the planetary map
·         Some way to put up a pricelist besides misusing the bio or bazaar
 
13.  More temporary abilities
·         Body paint
·         Elaborate makeup
 
14.  Last name changing
·         Weddings
·         Other roleplay purposes
 

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Message Edited by TechnoCan on 12-14-2004 08:14 PM

May the Force be with you all!


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3) As the hairstyle thing was described, it sounded muchly like a variation on the standard UI bug -- the toon in the UI just isn't updating. It's vague, but seems to me that's what the description is alluding to.

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Maybe you could still add "piercings and earrings" to the "new art content"? People ask me for it very often.
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Do wookiee fur styles mean wookiee hair styles like braids? If so, Yay!!!!!!! I forget how long I've been begging for these!

And for the makeup thing if it is at all possible to fix the eyeshadow slider so you can have different intensities? Right now it is either on or off. With some colors you end up looking very clown-like.

But I am not sure you are still taking suggestions lol.

This list looks awesome by the way. Do we have to pare it down to 5 or can we stick with the 14?

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I will start a bug-compilation-thread later today so we can sort out and identify bugs concerning us and our customers and feed them to the dev-team. Those bugs I listed are the ones that I got asked and notified about the most in the last few weeks. I'm sure there are more bugs out there.
 
And, yes, Vorpaks, I had braids, dreadies, shavings and alot of other stuff like that in mind when adding that point
 
I added piercings & earrings to the 'new art' content section.

May the Force be with you all!


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Looks great   Vendor ID'ing, Tattoos, and the original Particle Effects are wish list items that we have posts from Thunderheart about somewhere in our forum.  All are things they have publically said they would like to do one day (as well as public city tents of course)


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Yay!  Good to know you had the Wook shaving, braids, etc in mind.  I've been asking why those weren't possible ever since I got the game. 

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Braids would be cool but, I have my reservations about the shaved wookiees.
 
The list looks good to me
 
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SakeO wrote:
Braids would be cool but, I have my reservations about the shaved wookiees.
 
The list looks good to me
 
Chasing Amy - Bria


Definitely would be messy   While shaving is a way for furry species to get "tattoos", I guess we could maybe paint patterns on their fur instead?

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Kwee wrote:

SakeO wrote:
Braids would be cool but, I have my reservations about the shaved wookiees.
The list looks good to me
Chasing Amy - Bria


Definitely would be messy While shaving is a way for furry species to get "tattoos", I guess we could maybe paint patterns on their fur instead?

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt




I believe this has something to do with wookiees being able to wear hawt... er... those garments I cannot mention. I'm okay with it I guess... better than the bikini wax option people were requesting before...

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Vorpaks wrote:

Kwee wrote:

SakeO wrote:
Braids would be cool but, I have my reservations about the shaved wookiees.
The list looks good to me
Chasing Amy - Bria


Definitely would be messy While shaving is a way for furry species to get "tattoos", I guess we could maybe paint patterns on their fur instead?

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt




I believe this has something to do with wookiees being able to wear hawt... er... those garments I cannot mention. I'm okay with it I guess... better than the bikini wax option people were requesting before...

Message Edited by Vorpaks on 10-06-2004 06:26 PM


yeaouch! *shudder*

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Vorpaks wrote:
Do wookiee fur styles mean wookiee hair styles like braids? If so, Yay!!!!!!! I forget how long I've been begging for these!

(Pre 8.1) I have seen Wookiees with mohawks, and (while I know that this was due to a bug) I always thought that it should at least be on the list of things we should be able to do with them.

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I wasn't entirely sure where to put this suggestion, and am hoping this is the right place. (As I couldn't find any other topics that were related)
 
I think that Male Twi'lek's should have the option of eyebrows.
It would define their face a lot more, and make them look a little more older without using the age command. (Not too old, but not too young like they currently look without eyebrows... they look like very big boys lol)
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Can we add Bothan Facial Hair in the New Art content Area. Bothans are supposed to be hairy faced d00dz.
 
They even had all those screenshots of that Bothan with the sideburns beofre SWG officially launched and we have had countless Bothan Facial Hair threads in the past.
 
Power to the little people.
 

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Howdy TechnoCan and ID posters,
 
I have 5 items that are very much in relation or support of the Top Issues.
 
1.  Two additional slots added to our heads.  First slot is for more extensive Facial Hair like hair we can have on our heads.  Im tired of the peach fuzz on my face for a mustache that no one really sees.  If I want a Paint Brush covering my mouth then it could be had with a ID hair stylest.
 

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Howdy TechnoCan and ID posters,
 
I have 5 items that are very much in relation or support of the Top Issues.
 
1.  Two additional slots added to our heads.  First slot is for more extensive Facial Hair like hair we can have on our heads.  Im tired of the peach fuzz on my face for a mustache that no one really sees.  If I want a Paint Brush covering my mouth then it could be had with a ID hair stylest.
 

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Howdy TechnoCan and ID posters,
 
I have 5 items that are very much in relation or support of the Top Issues.
 
1.  Two additional slots added to our heads.  First slot is for more extensive Facial Hair like hair we can have on our heads.  Im tired of the peach fuzz on my face for a mustache that no one really sees.  If I want a Paint Brush covering my mouth then it could be had with a ID hair stylest.
       The Second Slot is for advance Hair styling(ex. Queens of Naboo) and HATS!  This is a tailor related issue also.
 
2.  Twi'lek options: Barbals and Goutals around the neck or face.  Take a short look at Bib Fortuna (the first Twi'lek we ever saw).  In addition, teeth should have some style options such as sharp and/or colored.  This might not be limited to Twi'leks as Darth Maul had blackend teeth.
 
3. Wookies will Have braids in Episode 3.  New Wookiee grooming styles should be supported.  If a player wants a Poodle cut Wookiee  then the Master ID better know how to fluff.  On a side note, most of the wookiees in Ep. 3 are variations of Brown in color, FYI.
 
4. Bothans are important to Star Wars lore but I have not seen One standard repesentation of thier race.  In every comic or Star Wars Art book they are different in style from our SWG species.  I would like to see variations as different as Pug dogs to German Shepards.  This of course would mean Muzzle adjustment.  I also support Facial hair changes as well.
 
and finally...
 
5.  Cybernetic Alterations.  Many soldiers would love to sport a Cybnetic eye for a unique look.  Many dark Jedi would love that too.  Some enhancements might have Mods or skills attached but what Im asking is simply offering a different look.  These items are in the Star Wars Movies if you look.
 
My interest in offering these ideas is to add to the Star Wars-yness of the game.  These are not big issues such as the Combat Upgrade or GCW revamp but would be fun to have in making our charaters more unique from our fellow players.  The extra Head lots is a big deal because that would call for a Image rebuild and the Developers are no where near doing something like that.
 
Just a few ideas I hope you might like.
 
edit: Im very sorry for the miss posts.  I didnt know that happen until I really posted

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There is nothing we Politicians would like better than for Master ID's to be able to place their beautiful tents in our towns. Except possibly something in our master box, but ID tents run a close second!

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Technocan:
I'm a new ID (only 3/4/2/0) but I do have a few observations:
 
1.) Hairstyles - for humans, many of the hairstyles are just aweful and i cant imagine anyone wearing them.  maybe some of them should be purged and new ones added.  the #1 most played race in the game is human.  im not saying look past the other races, but it doesnt take a genius to look at some of the hair styles and wonder if ANYONE in the entire game has that specific hairstyle
 
2.) You cant migrate your own stats.  im sure that someone has touched on this, but if you can do others, you should beable to do yourself. 
 
3.) Color Pallates are way too small.  even on a 22 inch monitor the color pallates are so small.  i would suggest that when you get to a specific attribute that you would like to change, and the associated color pallate comes up, that there is a button that you can toggle that would replaces the entire right hand interface with an enlarged color pallate.  this can be toggled back and forth of course.  this would probably supply a pallate that is roughly 600% larger than the current one.  the pallate is so small you can hardly tell what color the the very light "whites" are when it comes to say..twi'lek eyes.  it appears to the naked eye that theres like 3 lines of pure "whites".  but when you start clicking on them, you get very light shades of red, purple, blue etc. 
 
 

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Maybe its because i'm one of those old image designers who stat migrations pissed off, felt betrayed by the way the developers messed up the patch, and were generally unhappy, but the 2 biggest issues should be this:
 
1) Remove timers alltogether. While it allowed people to quickly level ID, most of the newbie master image designers weren't very good, and those that staid with the profession got the runoff business (making people feel happier!). While the new reduced timers certaintly help, they still make ID take an inordinate amount of time to master.  
2) Remove stat migrations: one of the main reasons so many IDs I know, as well as myself quit ID, was because of the fact we were forced to deal with ungrateful combatants. This was the biggest blow to the definition of an IMAGE designer! maybe we can have image designers acceccelerate this process?
 
Finally, on the minor issues: would someone care to explain why novice ID costs less exp than 4-0-0-0 entertainer which costs as much as a teir 1 skill?

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THE ABSOLUTE TOP 5 ISSUES TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY SHOULD BE THE FOLLOWING IMO
 
1.  Customer/ID availability (ID advertising)
2.  Salon ball and chain
3.  ID'ing vendors
4.  Numbers for styles and sliders
5.  Incorporating ID's into the player cities (either make cantinas - which ID's can place from what im told - duel function as a cantina/salon, give us an imaging terminal to place in structures, or introduce a new structure used as a salon). 


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Um you forgot to add Master IDs not having a Self ID timer. They say they already put it in the game but I aint seen it at all.
  I love the numbers idea.
  I want ID Terminal not droid and not tent
  IDing Vendors at least the player race ones...they already have the art content for those ones
  ID Advertsing. Maybe Make Holoemotes Craftables. I have tons of customers who just want refills on emotes. ITs somewhat of a pain to travel all that way just for something that could be made into a craftable.
 Some sort of GCW  Function. Many indications of disguise kits have been brought up
 

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First off, awesome job making that list, Techno, thank you for all your hard work!
I do have something I'd like to add, though I don't know if anyone else agrees with me.... the characters *FIDGET*, and it's Irritating. Now, when you are just changing skin tone or dying hair, that's not a problem. However, it can be for eye color changes, and it certainly is a problem when a customer wants a complete facial restructuring. Granted, most people are happy with the faces they chose at the start, but when you *do* have that person who says, I don't like any of it change it all, it becomes very difficult for the IDer to watch the changes they are making. The character keeps looking away or up or down, and if you are trying to watch exactly what you are doing with one feature... well, it's difficult to concentrate to say the least (and you don't want to hit the reset button if you've also changed five or six other things). Is there anyway to turn off the fidgeting in our UI screen ?

Another thing that occured to me today, I know they are *lekku* markings, but why don't any of them go across the top or back of the head? It leaves the top of the head sort of... bare? That's more of a design issue and terribly minor compaired to my other point, lol, but was one of those "eh?" moments.
 

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Myobi wrote:
First off, awesome job making that list, Techno, thank you for all your hard work!
I do have something I'd like to add, though I don't know if anyone else agrees with me.... the characters *FIDGET*, and it's Irritating. Now, when you are just changing skin tone or dying hair, that's not a problem. However, it can be for eye color changes, and it certainly is a problem when a customer wants a complete facial restructuring. Granted, most people are happy with the faces they chose at the start, but when you *do* have that person who says, I don't like any of it change it all, it becomes very difficult for the IDer to watch the changes they are making. The character keeps looking away or up or down, and if you are trying to watch exactly what you are doing with one feature... well, it's difficult to concentrate to say the least (and you don't want to hit the reset button if you've also changed five or six other things). Is there anyway to turn off the fidgeting in our UI screen ?

Another thing that occured to me today, I know they are *lekku* markings, but why don't any of them go across the top or back of the head? It leaves the top of the head sort of... bare? That's more of a design issue and terribly minor compaired to my other point, lol, but was one of those "eh?" moments.
 


/agree!

I don't know how many times that's happened to me, it's so incredibly annoying!

And as for the lekku markings....there was something that was bugging me about them, but I couldn't put my finger on it. But that is it, exactly. It just looks kinda strange...

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Bugs/function issues
- Fix the bug about clothing & armor showing other than what the person actually has on when the session is started.
- Stop the automatic rotation every time you make an adjustment. It's infuriating when working on chins and noses.
- The UI's total size needs to be used more efficiently. Details on the ID side are too small such as the color palette & there needs to be a scroll-in function for the face, especially on the client side - it's just too small.
- when muscle is added to a female, the shoulders should not increase in size
- when weight is added to a female, it needs to be different than a man with the hips and butt growing before the waist
- facial hair needs to be opaque at the least if not three dimensional with the full beard settings
 
Additions
- Masters should be able to self stat-migrate.
- Tattoos & other skin features
- Waist/Hip/Butt adjustment
- add number values back in, they shouldn't have been taken out
- 3D facial hair
 
Appearance Issues
- female bodies do not fit the pleasing to the eye proportions, waists are way too thick in comparison to the hips
- male Twi'lek faces have an unfinished look. Compared to females in any species, the men's faces are really unrefined, Especially the lips. Lips in general need to be fixed. Human females look like Lucille Ball in I Love Lucy.
- complete hands and feet - Especially the feet - right now they are some sort of gnarled stub as if the end of the foot was amputated

Message Edited by Moonkat on 01-27-2005 04:26 AM




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