This is to help all the good people who want to know which is the best Master Swordsman PvE template.
For all Swordsman veterans, I apologize for repeating here what you already know, but someone should put all this together and let us hope that we will see less 'PvE template-need advice' threads from now on. If you have time read this and add your knowledge to this thread, the community really need it. Please add only useful things directly related to this thread.
Well, you'll be dissapointed to hear from the beginning that there is no best PvE template (and I'm including any jedi template here) but there are best templates for different situations. There is also much to discuss about templates if you are looking for 'a little PvP' or 'not to die quickly in PvP' or 'I plan to go jedi' or 'is this good for FS grinding?'. If you have some of these questions in mind, this post is not for you. You can read it but you'll not find the best answers here.
This post is for people who:
1)Love being Master Swordsman more than anything else
2)Their main interest is high end PvE
3)They are hunting solo usually, cannot count on others help
3)Have money to spend
Some FAQ to help you understand the results:
I. Is Master Brawler a must?
I think yes! Because of the toughness, 2hlunge2 and intimidate2. You can buy the rest (or just ignore them like /berserk2) but those 3 I mentioned worth the skill points. In my tests /intimidate1 and /intimidate2 stack (there is a difference like 10% damage reduction if you use both and they stick rather than use only /intimidate2). Also /intimidate2 has a powerfull damage reduction than /intimidate1, in my tests the difference is about 20%. I also tend to use 2hlunge2 when low level mobs are trying to teleport 88 meters away from me. I really dont want to argue more about having Master Brawler but I have to mention that there are opinions from vets that you can do pretty well without it. Note that you can free up many points if you choose not to have it. However all the templates used here are Master Brawler.
||. Do I need Medic? If so, what exactly do I need?
If you choose to stay away from elders while you are solo or if you wish to take a higher risk soloing them you don't need Medic. But we like to hunt elders ALONE, every day, with minimum risk so we DO need Medic 2000. Many veterans choose to have medic 2040 (Centurion) or even medic 4040 (Jeht_). Please check their posts to see where they cut to get the additional skill points for Medic.
Tip: It's better to start with medic 2040.
III. What about melee and ranged defense?
If you hunt ONLY Krayts and NS/Singing high end mobs those +27 from MBrawler/MSwordsman are enough. They have incredible accuracy and if they will miss you, that is because of your CoB + Counterattack mainly. If you like to farm swarms of spawns before server reset in Geo cave you need melee defense around +75. If you like to camp Black Suns or want to stand a chance soloing a Force NPC (I'm not talking about Dark Jedi Masters) its better to have it like +100. If you are in the Corvette bussiness (I mean killing things there not walking in underwear with Master Ranger /maskscent on), a ranged defense around +80 its very good. For DWB make it +100 and put 2 aakuan rings on you. Your ranged defense won't help you much with SBD or admirals (high end ranged) but you'll resist much longer and eventually win when many low level ranged mobs gank you..
...You didn't answer my question!
Yes but reading the templates you'll understand!
IV. What about ranged Mitigation?
That is a nice thing to have. If you tend to stay all day inside Corvette or DWB I recommend you to have at least Ranged Mitigation1.
V. What about defences vs states?
You didn't tell me if you're in the NS/Krayt bussiness or Corvette/DWB! Ahh, you want all do you? All you need is either to prevent them OR to clear them. A +65 is fairly enough, you can buy the rest. Also don't invest points in skills that can be easily replaced by food/drink (like +90 defence vs KD). Try to keep the dizzy defence higher than +70 thats the first advice. If you can find good Ithorian Mist +20 dizzy on your server USE it on a regular basis. To answer your question, try to keep defense vs states higher than +50, around +65 (including defense vs posture down). If you have the ability to /healstate (novice doctor) all you need is some food and BE shirt plus all the tapes you can find. All in one buy any tape with more than +5 def vs dizzy.
VI. What about Master Doc? Is it good to have it?
No, Master Doc is just for cutting the costs or for groups.
VII. A FS Swordsman is better than a NON-FS swordsman?
No, you dont need FS skills, you can buy them (speed, accuracy) or obtain them from normal professions (melee defense, ranged defense) or just buy them all.
VIII. What about Counterattack? Is it worth to take the Carabineer box?
The best defensive in the game, period. Buy tapes. Read the templates, you'll understand that there is a situation when some Carabineer is a must. Counterattack caps at +125 (without mods) and you can add up to +25 from mods. Tip: if you get +25 Counterattack mods you'll notice the difference.
IX. What about CoB? Is it worth it?
Even with Novice Brawler you should have a CoB macro running ALWAYS in fights.
X. What about meditation line?
Nice to have it but its not required.
Ok, enough BS, show me the templates!
1. Single high end mobs:
Master Brawler/Master Swordsman/Doctor 4020/Combat prowess 0040
2. Ranged protection
Master Brawler/Master Swordsman/Medic 2000/Fencer 4440/ Carabineer 0010/ Combat prowess 0020
3. Swarm camp and cave loot
Master Brawler/Master Swordsman/Master Pikeman/Medic 2000/Fencer 3200
4. vnicula standard template,
Copyright (c) 2004 by vnicula
Master Brawler/Master Swordsman/TKM 4304/ Fencer 0240/ Medic 2000/ Combat prowess 0044 / Enhanced reflexes 3400
Before crying 'BS these are not even speed capped, my TKM/MSwords/MBrawler/Whatever FS' is better please read:
How to use the templates (important):
a)get speed capped (you must buy/loot speed tapes) (tip: buy many +1 2h speed, put them in the arm/hand armour pieces and repeat when they are over)
b)get FS accuracy while you are still poor (see my template?)
c)buy tapes with +accuracy and +melee def, +ranged def, 2 aakuan rings, all tapes with +dizzy def etc
d)build a battle gear (usually belt, bandolier, shirt and mod arm armour) which has at least +20 2h accuracy, +16 2hspeed, +20 melee def, +20 ranged def, +20 counterattack, +15blind, +10 vs dizzy and as much stun you can from BE shirt(+17 usually)).
e)migrate to either template number 1, 2, 3 or if you have a hole in your states (like accuracy or dizzy) adjust one of the templates given here to your situation (keep the FS accuracy line if you dont have tapes with accuracy etc)
That should be all. Please check the entire thread, there are other good examples of templates here.
Excuse my writing errors, English is not my best language.
If you like this post and use my standard template please tell your friends that you use vnicula's standard template
I would love to see new useful information on this thread.
Message Edited by vnicula on 11-29-2004 02:02 AM