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The Path of the Jedi: Reckoning of Effort
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"You must unlearn what you have learned."

--Yoda to Luke

 

Always in motion is the future is and back on January 23rd, we announced that the Jedi system would be revamped from the previous profession based system to a more quest-based way to become a Jedi.  That time is now upon us.

 

The old path to Jedi was a very long and arduous journey which involved becoming master in numerous predetermined professions that were specific to each player.  Once you completed all of your professions and your Force slot unlocked, the challenge did not end. You started as a totally new character and had to develop that new character.  From beginning to end, this was a new character with a whole new development path; first you completed your professions and then you started again from scratch with the new slot, working your way back to effectiveness even as you learned your new Jedi skills.

 

While this resulted in a very mysterious and perplexing experience for those that wished to take the path, it put people on a path of playing through professions as quickly as possible in order to unlock their Force sensitive slot. This was not healthy for the game, thus our desire to revamp this system.

 

Initially with the old system, you had to unlock 5 hidden master boxes. As the number of Jedi increased on the servers, we increased the required number of hidden boxes.  As the number increased, people were completing more and more professions to hit the hidden requirements. Although we will not be giving specific credit for the total number of professions ground, we will be giving credit for how many of the required hidden master boxes you completed.  There is a very strong correlation between the raw number of professions that players completed and the number of hidden master boxes people completed.  In other words, for those players that acquired 32 master boxes, they by default acquired the necessary 8 master boxes that unlocked their slot.  For players that finished 29 or 30 master boxes, they almost certainly acquired 7 of the necessary 8 master boxes that unlocked their slot.  This was the case all the way down the scale.

 

As we shift from the old system to the new system, the biggest question has been, “If I didn’t unlock my slot, how much credit will I get?”  Players who were unable to open up a force sensitive slot in the old system will be eligible for credit under the new system based on how many required professions they completed.  Reckoning player effort has been a challenging task and here is what it boils down to:

 

Credit consists of giving a player the ability to unlock Force sensitive skill branches without having to complete the quests. Since each set of quests requires the village to be in a different phase of the cyclical story arc, different quests are unlocked depending on what stage of development the village is in.  Players who have completed required professions will have these quests automatically unlocked for them based on how many “holo-professions” they completed.  This will give them the advantage of not having to wait several weeks for phases of the Village to shift.  Players will also be given enough experience points to fill up all four boxes for any particular Force Sensitive branch that they choose to unlock.

 

The measure to determine how much credit you get in the new Jedi system for effort spent unlocking professions in the old system is determined by how many of the required “holo-professions” you have mastered.

 

Here is how the credit is calculated:

 

        If you have…                        The credit you will receive is…

No professions remaining:     6 Force Sensitive branches will be granted

1 profession remaining:        5 Force Sensitive branches will be granted

2 professions remaining:      4 Force Sensitive branches will be granted

3 professions remaining:      3 Force Sensitive branches will be granted

4 professions remaining:      2 Force Sensitive branches will be granted

5 professions remaining:      1 Force Sensitive branch will be granted

 

Everyone will still have to be visited by the Old Man and do the intro quests in order to gain access to the village.  After access to the village has been granted, you must go to the village skill trainer. The skill trainer detects if you qualify for free branches and will train you in those branches based on your choices in the conversation menu.  Note that this merely grants the skill branch. You may still do the quest if you choose.  Doing so will gain you the quest reward.

 

Regardless of the number of free branches received, you must still complete the final quest that makes you eligible to become a Padawan. When you become Padawan, you will be given your Jedi robe and your additional character slot will open up. This character can be used in any way you see fit, including developing him into another Jedi.

 

The other side of the equation is when do people get a visit from the Old Man?  In the new system, when a player is ready to travel down the path of becoming a Jedi, they will be visited by a wise old man who knows the secrets of the village of the Village of Aurilia.

 

How and when does this visit happen?  The old man will visit you when you have completed the requirements of the new path to becoming a Jedi.  While this new path is still a secret, it is no where near as daunting as the holo-professions method.  We have made additional provisions for those that worked partially through the old system.  Here is how you will be allocated a visit based on the old system:

 

If you have…                        You will be granted access to the village…

No professions remaining:     Automatically qualify

1 profession remaining:        Automatically qualify

2 professions remaining:      Group 1

3 professions remaining:      Group 2

4 professions remaining:      Group 3

5 professions remaining:      Group 4

 

Since there is a large wave of players that will be going through the system, we are going to be monitoring traffic daily as players start and finish the Force Sensitive quests.  When enough people have completed their path, we will open it up the village to the next group.  Groups 1 – 4 will qualify for a visit when the village traffic has died down.   Of course, if you qualify for the visit under the new system, you will automatically be granted a visit from the old man.

 

May the Force be with you.  Always.

 

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08-31-2004 08:21 AM  

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First?
 
Oh, and this post might break every record for number of posts on this board...

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Really excited for this new system.  This is what I thought it should be like, a story line to progress through.
 
I know people are going to complain about the grind, but I think those people are too focused on the destination and not the journey.  If you call this a grind, then the game is a grind. 

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Wow, thanks for the info.

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08-31-2004 08:28 AM  

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Uhm...  So far as I know.  We are nearly two hours into this and NO ONE has been visited by the Old Man.  Is it borked?
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so for anyone who never did the holo grind, we will have to wait to get it because of traffic.  why not just keep both systems.

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Reckoning player effort has been a challenging task and here is what it boils down to:

So someone who unlocked on 6 was more deserving then someone who ground out 26 ???



1 profession remaining:

THIS MOST DEFINITLY REQUIRES CLARIFICATION

1 remaining as in I was on my silent so that leaves 1 according to your system.
Or Since i had multiple unknowns, it is unknown as to weather I have 1 remaining.

I HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO GET A LITTLE MORE SPACIFIC....

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I unlocked, but as a loyal customer I feel like I was completely cheated by you raising the requirements secretly. No wonder it took my friend 5 professions and me 26 to unlock, with 4 months seperating us just because I guessed poorly with my 5th profession and you kept raising the requirements.

Shame on you.

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Well.. that certanily explains a lot. Thanks for coming out of you hole and letting us know what was going on!

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What about a "how to" convert our credit from old system to new system?  There seems to be a lot of people getting confused on the Test Centers and wasting their XP due to the XP cap.

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I have completed 5 Master Prof, one of which was a holo prof.  Does this mean at a minimum I'm in group 4? 

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So what your saying is that since Im part of group 3 I may not get into the village for weeks?

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TH, do the people who didn't grind any professions at all have to sit and wait for weeks while the hologrinders get to complete the quests and then we start our quests? thats not very fair at all.
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Any Idea on a timetable for groups 1-4?  I'm most likey in group 2 or 3 and I dont want to miss out on phase 1.

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well evrything is well written but i have question like that :

i made 23 profesions and after my second holo i got silent and that was after i mastered my 5 profession so what is my credit or to which group i qualify

can any one from SOE tell us how we all who didn't unlock before pub 10, will know our credit

does it meen that after my second holo(after that silent) i qualify to the first group and get 6 branches unlocked ??

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